MH17: 8 unanswered questions

MH17: 8 unanswered questions

There are 60 comments on the KOCO-TV Oklahoma City story from Jul 21, 2014, titled MH17: 8 unanswered questions. In it, KOCO-TV Oklahoma City reports that:

Amid the chaos and the grief, the politics and the finger pointing, the charges and the countercharges, we are no closer to answering some key questions about the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. The crash, which killed all 298 aboard, has turned a volatile Ukrainian region into a global problem.

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Craig New Zealand

Auckland, New Zealand

#1 Jul 21, 2014
Not too many unanswered questions, surely. We've seen the Buk launcher being driven into Ukraine from Russia, we've hear controllers discussing firing the missile, weve seen video of the missile in flight, we've heard the "Prime Minister of Donetsk" claim to have shot down an aircraft, we've seen the Buk leauncher being driven back to Russia with one missile missing. Not much left to wonder about, really.
Captain Yesterday

“Trump is the Enemy”

Since: Oct 10

Impeach Trump

#2 Jul 21, 2014
1. Who shot down the plane?

Apparently, Russian-supported separtists using Russian weapons and advisors.

2. Why would anyone target a passenger plane?

Incompetence, stupidity...

3. Why was the plane flying over a war zone?

It isn't a "war zone." There's no declared war nor exclusionary zone for commercial flights.

4. When will international investigators get access?

They're getting some, but rebels are understandably unwilling to help finger themselves for the crime.

5. Where are the black boxes?

Apparently going to the Malaysians, although who knows what's been done to them.

6, Have all the victims' bodies been recovered?

Dunno. Apparently the majority have.

7. What will happen to the remains?

The train will go back to the Netherlands....how many bodies it will have, or in what state they are, or whether they've been looted by Separtist scum, we don't know.

8. How will Russia respond?

With lies.
Cordwainer Trout

Cub Run, KY

#3 Jul 21, 2014
Before a day was past in this horrible tragedy, we saw Obama and his political cronies politicizing it and not only casting blame, but calling for increased violence and actually performing increased violence in the region, disallowing appropriate investigation, while Putin called for a cease fire on both sides and a thorough international investigation. Repeatedly, Putin has called for a thorough investigation, while everything Obama has done has discouraged a thorough investigation. Every other plane tragedy in modern history has resulted in many weeks and months of investigation, but Obama is so smart, he can find cause before twenty four hours are up. Meanwhile, patience and calmness come from Putin, while Obama tries his usual childish gambits of trying to get Russia to somehow control the rebels, who oppose the illegal and violent coup government Obama set up and funded. Given Obama's perfidies in Libya, Syria, Yemen, Egypt and Iraq, it would not be surprising that his hands are bloody with this tragedy and he is using more political posturing to not only deny proper burials of the victims, but take attention off his funding of crimes against humanity in Eastern Ukraine.
Live Free or Die

Wolcott, VT

#4 Jul 21, 2014
Well said.
Captain Yesterday

“Trump is the Enemy”

Since: Oct 10

Impeach Trump

#5 Jul 21, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Before a day was past in this horrible tragedy, we saw Obama and his political cronies politicizing it and not only casting blame, but calling for increased violence and actually performing increased violence in the region, disallowing appropriate investigation...blah, blah, rant, rave.....
You're a god-damned liar.
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ThatOneBand

Ann Arbor, MI

#7 Jul 21, 2014
Here's an unanswered question:
How is it possible that a human,
elected as a leader,
can think it is ok to kill
a human?
Craig New Zealand

Auckland, New Zealand

#8 Jul 21, 2014
Cordwainer Trout referred to the now common tactic adopted by Vladimir Putin of saying one thing in front of the cameras while ordering the opposite off-screen. How many times did he say Russian troops were being pulled back from the Ukrainian border in the month before they actually moved, temporarily ? Hoe many times did he denay there were Russian trops inside those unamrked green uniforms in Crimea, befoer finally saying "Yes, it was us all along" ? Putin has used and is using misinformation and outright lies repeatedly and unfortuantely some are not capable of recognising this.
Hawk

Kamuela, HI

#9 Jul 21, 2014
We have now all the proof in the world that Russia and Putin is just blood thirsty and hell bent on killing not only Ukrainians but unarmed international citizens traveling in complete peace to places that have little or nothing to do with Russia and it's insanity.

Putin doesn't want a war only in Ukraine. it wants a war with all of Europe.
Cordwainer Trout

Cub Run, KY

#10 Jul 22, 2014
Craig New Zealand wrote:
Cordwainer Trout referred to the now common tactic adopted by Vladimir Putin of saying one thing in front of the cameras while ordering the opposite off-screen. How many times did he say Russian troops were being pulled back from the Ukrainian border in the month before they actually moved, temporarily ? Hoe many times did he denay there were Russian trops inside those unamrked green uniforms in Crimea, befoer finally saying "Yes, it was us all along" ? Putin has used and is using misinformation and outright lies repeatedly and unfortuantely some are not capable of recognising this.
If you don't want to go by what Putin has said, or done, then go by what the Kiev government has said and done. They've increased military action in the specific areas of the plane crash between the two major Eastern Ukraine cities they've been bombarding. Increasing the military action has impeded the sending of international investigation crews. A sane government would take any opportunity to call a cease fire to tend to the dead and investigate the crash. Instead, Obama continues to fund the Kiev government's assaults on civilians in the contested zones and has not altered his vocal approval of those attacks since they began again.

So, just go by what Kiev has done... increased attacks and deaths in the transportation routes between important transportation hubs and impeded a necessary and humane reaction from international response people.

Gosh, you don't think it has anything to do with the neo-Nazis killing over a hundred people randomly to cause the havoc allowing them to perform a coup just weeks before a general election and subsequently installing six neo-Nazis into cabinet posts... do ya?
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George

Red Deer, Canada

#12 Jul 22, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
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You're a god-damned liar.
Yup, very well said
George

Red Deer, Canada

#13 Jul 22, 2014
Craig New Zealand wrote:
Cordwainer Trout referred to the now common tactic adopted by Vladimir Putin of saying one thing in front of the cameras while ordering the opposite off-screen. How many times did he say Russian troops were being pulled back from the Ukrainian border in the month before they actually moved, temporarily ? Hoe many times did he denay there were Russian trops inside those unamrked green uniforms in Crimea, befoer finally saying "Yes, it was us all along" ? Putin has used and is using misinformation and outright lies repeatedly and unfortuantely some are not capable of recognising this.
His ratings in russia are also on the way down, so he has hammered the media to tell as many lies as possible to bolster his ratings.

It is a shame, really, the Russian people were starting to enjoy a new reputation of "The New Russia" after the Sochi Olympics and he blew it all to hell. His first major lie of course was the invasion of the Crimean border and destroying the agreement with Ukraine to protect Ukraine borders and respect its sovereign state, then once the big lie was done the little lies are just part of his conversation now and not one country believes him anymore, not even his one time ally China.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#14 Jul 22, 2014
Hawk wrote:
We have now all the proof in the world that Russia and Putin is just blood thirsty and hell bent on killing not only Ukrainians but unarmed international citizens traveling in complete peace to places that have little or nothing to do with Russia and it's insanity.
Putin doesn't want a war only in Ukraine. it wants a war with all of Europe.
Countries around the world are now putting travel bans to Russia and Ukraine, which for places like Crimea will be devastating.
Captain Yesterday

“Trump is the Enemy”

Since: Oct 10

Impeach Trump

#15 Jul 22, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
If you don't want to go by what Putin has said, or done, then go by what the Kiev government has said and done. They've increased military action in the specific areas of the plane crash between the two major Eastern Ukraine cities they've been bombarding. Increasing the military action has impeded the sending of international investigation crews. A sane government would take any opportunity to call a cease fire to tend to the dead and investigate the crash. Instead, Obama continues to fund the Kiev government's assaults on civilians in the contested zones and has not altered his vocal approval of those attacks since they began again.
So, just go by what Kiev has done... increased attacks and deaths in the transportation routes between important transportation hubs and impeded a necessary and humane reaction from international response people.
Gosh, you don't think it has anything to do with the neo-Nazis killing over a hundred people randomly to cause the havoc allowing them to perform a coup just weeks before a general election and subsequently installing six neo-Nazis into cabinet posts... do ya?
Calling the revolutionary government of the Ukraine "neo-Nazis" is just typical Putinist propaganda. Not a word of truth to it, or any other of TrouserTrout's posts.
Cordwainer Trout

Cub Run, KY

#16 Jul 22, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling the revolutionary government of the Ukraine "neo-Nazis" is just typical Putinist propaganda. Not a word of truth to it, or any other of TrouserTrout's posts.
You're a goddamned liar, idiot. There are six neo-Nazis directly associated to the extreme Nazi Right Sector terrorists sitting on Kiev's illegal cabinet and funded for their increased military activity depriving the relatives of burying their dead from the plane crash made possible by the five billion dollar invasion of Ukraine's sovereignty performed by the US under Obama and neo-con idiots.
Captain Yesterday

“Trump is the Enemy”

Since: Oct 10

Impeach Trump

#17 Jul 22, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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You're a goddamned liar, idiot. There are six neo-Nazis directly associated to the extreme Nazi Right Sector terrorists sitting on Kiev's illegal cabinet and funded for their increased military activity depriving the relatives of burying their dead from the plane crash made possible by the five billion dollar invasion of Ukraine's sovereignty performed by the US under Obama and neo-con idiots.
Funny how you imitate my put-down of you, then proceed to lie your ass off. Nothing you say is remotely true, but it is completely crazy.

Get bent, punk liar.
Cordwainer Trout

Cub Run, KY

#18 Jul 22, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
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Funny how you imitate my put-down of you, then proceed to lie your ass off. Nothing you say is remotely true, but it is completely crazy.
Get bent, punk liar.
You won't believe it, but I said it first.

Right Sector funded by Obama and his Asst. Sec. of State performed a violent coup in Kiev just weeks before a general election. What were you Socialist scum afraid of...?
Live Free or Die

Wolcott, VT

#19 Jul 22, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling the revolutionary government of the Ukraine "neo-Nazis" is just typical Putinist propaganda. Not a word of truth to it, or any other of TrouserTrout's posts.
Nah, not a word of truth to it:

Svoboda’s Oleh Tyahnybok doing the nazi party salute when re-elected their leader.

http://i44.tinypic.com/2ez1m3k.jpg

The Cabinet of Ministers brought to the helm by the EuroMaidan revolution, is a motley crew indeed:

Svoboda, the ultra-nationalist party, received several key positions in the government on top of the general prosecutor's office, which it already oversees.

http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/katya-g...

(to be exact: six major cabinet ministries in the ... defense, culture, social issues, and a minister without portfolio.)

Defense: To kill as many civilians in the East as possible, because they're 'all terrorists'.

Culture: To convince Western Ukrainians that ethnic-cleansing is next to Godliness and that lebensraum is a grossly misunderstood term.

Social Issues: To explain why Social-Nationalism (Svoboda) is perfectly compatible with European values and has nothing to do with National Socialism, in spite of the Wolfsangel banners unfurled in the Rada dining hall.

Minister without portfolio: To keep all the other ministers in line with 'party values'.

Shall we now move along to Dmitry Yarosh and the Right Sector?
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Vvy

Magdeburg, Germany

#22 Jul 23, 2014
It was tragic mistake or even friendly fire.
DISGUSTING FASCIST RUSSIA

Port Moody, Canada

#23 Jul 23, 2014
Captain Yesterday wrote:
1. Who shot down the plane?
Apparently, Russian-supported separtists using Russian weapons and advisors.
2. Why would anyone target a passenger plane?
Incompetence, stupidity...
3. Why was the plane flying over a war zone?
It isn't a "war zone." There's no declared war nor exclusionary zone for commercial flights.
4. When will international investigators get access?
They're getting some, but rebels are understandably unwilling to help finger themselves for the crime.
5. Where are the black boxes?
Apparently going to the Malaysians, although who knows what's been done to them.
6, Have all the victims' bodies been recovered?
Dunno. Apparently the majority have.
7. What will happen to the remains?
The train will go back to the Netherlands....how many bodies it will have, or in what state they are, or whether they've been looted by Separtist scum, we don't know.
8. How will Russia respond?
With lies.
Correct on all points!
Pro Ukraine

London, UK

#24 Jul 23, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
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You're a goddamned liar, idiot. There are six neo-Nazis directly associated to the extreme Nazi Right Sector terrorists sitting on Kiev's illegal cabinet and funded for their increased military activity depriving the relatives of burying their dead from the plane crash made possible by the five billion dollar invasion of Ukraine's sovereignty performed by the US under Obama and neo-con idiots.
There are no members of Right Sektor in the Ukrainian cabinet, you moron. When you write blatent lies like that how do you expect anybody to believe anything else you say.

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