Most Republicans Discount Global Warming

[mememine69]

Global warming is to Liberals, what WMD's were to Republicans; myths.

[Steve S]

Polar bears aren't endangered- the Bush administration listed them as "threatened" (in lesser danger).

We aren't in a cooling cycle- 1998 and 2005 were about tied for the warmest year on record and the last decade was the warmest ever recorded. I believe in thermometers.

[Steve S]

This website is interesting- thanks for posting:

http://climvis.ncdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/cag3/hr-...

I think you're using it wrong, though. I don't really care about whether April was cold or warm- it's just one month and weather happens. When I plotted 12 month trends the last 12 months ranked 98. The hottest year ever was 113.

Average earth temp 1901-2008 52.91F
Temp over the last 12 months- 53.86F- well above average

You can see there are way more warm years in the last two decades than earlier in the century. Again- thanks for the site.

"Ask thoes under 30 or Mike or James Hansen for the science behind the warming of the earth,by a trace gas, 95% of which is naturally occuring. "

Sure, that's easy. I'm under 30, know that trace gases are measured it parts per million and CO2 has risen from 280ppm to about 384ppm over the last century and is headed to easily double in the next few decades. The CO2 isotopes indicate it's from ancient carbon (fossil fuels). A doubling of CO2 iteslf directly increases the insulating abilities of the atmosphere by 4% or so but sets off a chain of reactions, like warmer air holds more water vapor (a potent greenhouse gas) and melting ice no longer reflects sunlight into space.

[leo]

Al Gore the ultimate spin doctor.
Give some ppl a once of information and they'll spew a pound krap.

[Mike]

Steve S..........the last year's temperature dropped .7 degrees. It's never, ever, dropped that much that quick. That 'warming' word doesn't fit there does it? More snow in the United States than in 50 years. First snow ever in Baghdad. Coldest in China in 100 years. 2006 was Moscow's coldest in 26 years. This was Saudi Arabia's coldest winter if over 20 years.

But but but but.......it was still warmer!!!!! I can't believe you're comparing one year to a century. Please already. Should we take an entire season of a team and compare it to one game

If you wanna go that route, why was it warmer in the 18th century than the 17th? Why was the 19th century warmer than the 18th? Were there diesel rigs running up and down the dirt roads connecting the castles? Wait, was it the oil refineries filling the barrels in the western saloons? No, hold on. It was the lawn mowers trimming around the sidewalks right?

BTW, you do know that cows are more damaging to the atmosphere than cars right?

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/clim...

Also curious, is man causing Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, and Triton(Neptune's largest moon), all of which few SUV's are driven, to heat up too?

[Mike]

Ever given any thought on how many scientists, meteorologists, oceanographers, etc.......that aren't falling for this global warming hooplah?

Well, let me put it to you this way........there are thousands upon thousands.

http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
(approximately 19,000)

more..........

http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declarations/sta...

even more.......

http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declarations/LDs...

[Northie]

Mike wrote:

Ever given any thought on how many scientists, meteorologists, oceanographers, etc.......that aren't falling for this global warming hooplah?
Well, let me put it to you this way........there are thousands upon thousands.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
(approximately 19,000)
more..........
http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declarations/sta...
even more.......
http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declarations/LDs...

Hey Mike, do a little Google research on Frederick Seitz and the George C. Marshall Institute. Then tell us just how unbiased the "thousands upon thousands" of scientists you mention really are.

[Cthulhu_]

Mike wrote:

Steve S..........the last year's temperature dropped .7 degrees. It's never, ever, dropped that much that quick.

All you are doing is comparing two arbitary months - January 2007 with January 2008. Comparing two months 12 years apart yeilds various results that have more to do with weather than climate.

January 2007 was the near the maximum of an El Nino, while January 2008 was a minimum of a La Nina. Obviously that means there's going to be a large drop in temperature between them, it means nothing to global warming which is a long term warming trend. Comparing any two arbitary months 12 years apart yeilds various opposing results. For example March 2008 was warmer than March 2007.

That 'warming' word doesn't fit there does it? More snow in the United States than in 50 years. First snow ever in Baghdad. Coldest in China in 100 years. 2006 was Moscow's coldest in 26 years. This was Saudi Arabia's coldest winter if over 20 years.

This is all regional anecdotal stuff which gives no idea of the overall picture. The world is so vast that in any year high and low records are broken in some area or other. If some website like icecap.us or iceagenow.com only selectively reports only on cold records and record snowfalls then you don't see the other half of the picture such as record low snowfall in eurasia this March for example, or the heatwave over China in March.

But but but but.......it was still warmer!!!!! I can't believe you're comparing one year to a century. Please already. Should we take an entire season of a team and compare it to one game

Well the year is hardly cold if it's above the 20th century average.

If you wanna go that route, why was it warmer in the 18th century than the 17th? Why was the 19th century warmer than the 18th?

Increased solar activity probably, the same cannot be said for the recent warming as solar output levelled out 50 years back.

BTW, you do know that cows are more damaging to the atmosphere than cars right?
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/clim...

Cattle farming is part of human activity. Cars and cows are only a small part of human emissions. The bulk of human greenhouse gas emissions is from power generation.

Also curious, is man causing Mars, Jupiter, Pluto, and Triton(Neptune's largest moon), all of which few SUV's are driven, to heat up too?

No and neither is the sun.

[Cthulhu_]

Mike wrote:

Ever given any thought on how many scientists, meteorologists, oceanographers, etc.......that aren't falling for this global warming hooplah?
Well, let me put it to you this way........there are thousands upon thousands.
http://www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm
(approximately 19,000)
more..........
http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declarations/sta...
even more.......
http://www.sepp.org/policy%20declarations/LDs...

Many of the oregon petition signers are not climate related scientists, and the 2nd link is 15 years old. Also even scientists who accept manmade global warming can sign a petition against kyoto. It doesn't commit them to not accepting manmade global warming, only to not agreeing with kyoto.

[Bill]

Mike wrote:

Steve S..........the last year's temperature dropped .7 degrees. It's never, ever, dropped that much that quick.

That's surface air temperature and it frequently rises and falls quickly.
Global warming is really about an increase in the total thermal energy of the whole climate system including the atmosphere, the oceans and the ice. Average atmospheric temperature serves as an indicator for the whole system, but only when its averaged out over several decades.

The reason I'm using the term "thermal energy" instead of "temperature" is that they are not the same thing. A lot more energy is absorbed in raising the temperature of a kilogram of water than a kilogram of air. Energy is also absorbed in the melting of ice.

Don't be misled by the atmospheric cool cycle we happen to be in. The thermal energy due to greenhouse gases is still being stored in the system and will eventually show up in atmospheric temperature.

[Cthulhu_]

Eventually being within about decade

There's a graph here halfway down
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives...

which as a rough guide shows how long you have to wait after a surface temperature record is set to see it broken. It shows that there is over 95% chance that it will be broken within 10 years.

Another figure from the graph is that a new record will be set within 4 years of the previous record with 80% probability.

[Stewie from East County]

The world is going through its natural cycles. There has been global warming and cooling. Plus, per the Science Channel, the 1.5 billion cows in the world produce more co2 then all the vehicles in the world. Also, if Al Gore was truly worried about global warming, why does he always travel on private jets???

[Mike]

Bill, it's never done it to this extent before. You can't use that as your excuse.
If you want to use average, since 1998 our temperature has been going down. The temperature began going up in 1680. As I asked before, why is that? Man did not do that. It sure wasn't the Vikings. GW has been occurring on this earth for millions of years. CO2 has been far higher before now. You're aware of the Jurassic period correct? The CO2 was 20 times higher than it is now.
You cannot simply reach in and grab a portion of time. Especially a portion that fits your beliefs. You have to look at the entire picture. The earth's temp has gone up and down time and time and time again. It's been higher than it is now, it's been lower. CO2 has been higher, it's been lower. Man was here, man wasn't.
And Cthlhu........if you wanna put it that way, you might want to take the IPCC and WMO out of the picture right?
BTW, I never said the year was cold. It was said that the year was 'colder.' Please don't twist my words out of context. As I've stated, our temperatures have declined since 1998.
Misled? Temperatures can rise yet they can't fall? Why is that? They have forever. Gases have come and they have gone forever as well. Suddenly this can't happen? Why is that?

[Cthulhu_]

Mike wrote:

And Cthlhu........if you wanna put it that way, you might want to take the IPCC and WMO out of the picture right?

Why?

BTW, I never said the year was cold. It was said that the year was 'colder.' Please don't twist my words out of context. As I've stated, our temperatures have declined since 1998.

The reason temperatures are cooler than in 1998 is because 1998 was the "El Nino of the century" warm event. Then again 2005 was about as warm as 1998 despite having a weaker El Nino. The 00s have been about 0.2C warmer than the 90s.

Misled? Temperatures can rise yet they can't fall? Why is that? They have forever.

The current cold period over the last year is mainly due to La Nina. Ie the reason temp in Jan 2008 was so low.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from...

As the La Nina passes temperature will move back up to where it was 2006-2007 level.

[Gerald N Wright]

GIVE US ALL A BREAK WITH ALL THIS HOT AIR ON GLOBAL WARMING: "warming is undeniable...unequivocable... "
There's not a person in the world that can prove
that or even articulate a clear affirmative that I
(and millions of others) can't repudiate in five
minutes. COME GORE/MCCAIN/BUSH - DEBATE ONE OF YOUR CITIZENS
AND LET ME CLEAN YOUR CLOCK!

[Monorprise]

This is really Telling:

"Age played a role in opinions, Pew said. Fifty-four percent of people under age 30 believe that the earth is warming mostly because of human activity, compared with 37 percent of those ages 65 and older."

Of course we weren’t around!
Collages and schools as are all indoctrinating us with this BS, and yes it is B.S. there is ample history and evident supporting this Fact that Global warming is Natural, which is to say (not happening based upon their definition).

Global warming is overall a good thing. As the alterative is global cooling or remaining stagnates in an ice age!
Heat helps breed life, and Cold Suppresses it by locking up the earth’s resources in the ice.

[Monorprise]

Gerald N Wright wrote:

GIVE US ALL A BREAK WITH ALL THIS HOT AIR ON GLOBAL WARMING: "warming is undeniable...unequivocable... "
There's not a person in the world that can prove
that or even articulate a clear affirmative that I
(and millions of others) can't repudiate in five
minutes. COME GORE/MCCAIN/BUSH - DEBATE ONE OF YOUR CITIZENS
AND LET ME CLEAN YOUR CLOCK!

I agree!

[Cthulhu_]

Monorprise wrote:

Collages and schools as are all indoctrinating us with this BS, and yes it is B.S. there is ample history and evident supporting this Fact that Global warming is Natural, which is to say (not happening based upon their definition).

There's counter evidence against the recent warming period being natural.

[ken b]

Notice this article is clever: refers to natural warming-- but algore, jim hansen, the IPCC, mcCain/mc Lieberman refer to Mand-made, co2 caused, catastrophic global warming. natural warming/cooling is always occuring; always has, always will. no amount of cap-n-trade regulations will alter that. man-made global warming is a hoax to increase size of government.

[mememine69]

Steve S wrote:

Polar bears aren't endangered- the Bush administration listed them as "threatened" (in lesser danger).
We aren't in a cooling cycle- 1998 and 2005 were about tied for the warmest year on record and the last decade was the warmest ever recorded. I believe in thermometers.

Ya poor stupid and helpless Mother Nature eh? Too fragile to adjust to it's own CO2.
Maybe environmentalism and globull whining are the new form of Atheism? It assumes that there is no god and in fact, WE are god because after billions of years we humans that evolved from nature, are going to bring nature to it's knees.
God help us.