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Minnesota Senate OKs 2012 statewide vote on amendment banning gay marriage

There are 212 comments on the TwinCities.com story from May 11, 2011, titled Minnesota Senate OKs 2012 statewide vote on amendment banning gay marriage. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

The state Senate on Wednesday approved a statewide vote in 2012 on a gay marriage ban in the Minnesota Constitution, pushing forward what's expected to be a contentious debate over the definition of legal unions.

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Know it all

Superior National Forest, MN

#102 May 12, 2011
Cant Wait to Vote wrote:
<quoted text>The homosexual argument for perverting the marriage laws is always,'Don't like gay marriage? Then don't marry someone of the same sex.'
Slave traders could employ the same argument re slavery. If buying and selling slaves doesn't affect you personally, then you're in no position to judge whether it's "right" or "wrong".
So you would be ok with someone owning Blacks to work for them?
Gay Mafia

Monroe, LA

#103 May 12, 2011
Anti Prop 8 Mob Swarms Elderly Lady

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SRi3fTH...
More hate crimes committed by hostiles
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Vandals Target Mormon Church In Orangevale:
http://cbs13.com/local/Vandals.Strike.Orangev...
Report: Musical Theatre board cancels emergency meeting over Prop. 8 support
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories... @vincenttumeo.com&email_fr [email protected] &email_note=keep%20and%20p rint
In reverse this would be called bigotry, but in today’s America protected classes can not be bigots.
leftist tolerance in action

Pressure from homosexual activist groups has compelled the head of the 2012 U.S. Olympic gymnastics team to quit.
Two-time gymnastics gold medal winner Peter Vidmar has resigned upon receiving harsh criticism from homosexual and lesbian athletes and activists, who complained that he had donated $2,000 to promote California's Proposition 8, which defines marriage as between one man and one woman.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.asp...

Tolerance on display again.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/tria...

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#104 May 12, 2011
Gay Mafia wrote:
Anti Prop 8 Mob Swarms Elderly Lady
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =VziklUbtHAEXX
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_L6pDyjqqsvY/SRi3fTH...
More hate crimes committed by hostiles
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Vandals Target Mormon Church In Orangevale:
http://cbs13.com/local/Vandals.Strike.Orangev...
Report: Musical Theatre board cancels emergency meeting over Prop. 8 support
http://www.bizjournals.com/sacramento/stories... @vincenttumeo.com&email_fr [email protected] &email_note=keep%20and%20p rint
In reverse this would be called bigotry, but in today’s America protected classes can not be bigots.
leftist tolerance in action
Pressure from homosexual activist groups has compelled the head of the 2012 U.S. Olympic gymnastics team to quit.
Two-time gymnastics gold medal winner Peter Vidmar has resigned upon receiving harsh criticism from homosexual and lesbian athletes and activists, who complained that he had donated $2,000 to promote California's Proposition 8, which defines marriage as between one man and one woman.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.asp...
Tolerance on display again.
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/535/tria...
First link failed youtube account closed
Second link failed
Third link failed youtube account closed
Fourth link failed
Fifth link was about a cancelled board meeting because one of the members had donated 1000 to Prop 8 and the musical theater was being boycotted because of it.
Sixth link was about a male gymnast resigning because he didn't want to stand up for his beliefs on marriage
Seventh link is a picture of guys with pink bandanas on their faces
Eight link is a t-shirt

8 links,4 of them crap and the others practically crap.
http://panasonicyouth-noonprop8.buzznet.com/u...

This is what anti gay intimidation looks like
Equal

AOL

#105 May 12, 2011
Zagreos Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text>
First link failed youtube account closed
Second link failed
Third link failed youtube account closed
Fourth link failed
Fifth link was about a cancelled board meeting because one of the members had donated 1000 to Prop 8 and the musical theater was being boycotted because of it.
Sixth link was about a male gymnast resigning because he didn't want to stand up for his beliefs on marriage
Seventh link is a picture of guys with pink bandanas on their faces
Eight link is a t-shirt
8 links,4 of them crap and the others practically crap.
http://panasonicyouth-noonprop8.buzznet.com/u...
This is what anti gay intimidation looks like
Most of those links are very old as well. He had to reach back 3 years, yet the stories of gay people being beaten and killed as a result of the prejudice being promoted here, continue.
Equal

AOL

#106 May 12, 2011
That LGBT people are the group most targeted by violent hate criminals is no secret to those who study such matters. And the New York City Anti-Violence Project says reports of anti-gay violence are up 24% in the last two years, with reports of anti-gay assaults now averaging one each 36 hours.

And that is just in NYC.
Prejudice kills.

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#107 May 12, 2011
Equal wrote:
That LGBT people are the group most targeted by violent hate criminals is no secret to those who study such matters. And the New York City Anti-Violence Project says reports of anti-gay violence are up 24% in the last two years, with reports of anti-gay assaults now averaging one each 36 hours.
And that is just in NYC.
Prejudice kills.
Its a sad state of affairs when someone in Philadelphia gets stoned to death in 2011 for being Gay. I suggest a class action lawsuit against the Vatican and the Pope for encouraging hatred that incites violence and contributes to the homocaust.

Since: Mar 10

Minneapolis, MN

#108 May 12, 2011
Tennessee Tuxedo wrote:
<quoted text>
And we will then follow in Rome's footsteps.
given how much the politicians have been bribed by the banks and the corporations (yes i consider larger campaign donations bribes worthy of felony convictions), and how much we've focused on war in other nations instead of our own best interests here in the US, and all the "reality tv" shows we have on right now instead of more intelligent dramas and comedies, we're already on that "roman decline" path folks, not just getting there.
Tennessee Tuxedo

Boise, ID

#109 May 12, 2011
Equal wrote:
That LGBT people are the group most targeted by violent hate criminals is no secret to those who study such matters. And the New York City Anti-Violence Project says reports of anti-gay violence are up 24% in the last two years, with reports of anti-gay assaults now averaging one each 36 hours.
And that is just in NYC.
Prejudice kills.
You look though a different window that is for sure.

You Blather about "study such matters" and don't have the small inkling of intelligence that it would take to Look It Up.

Your attitude does your cause much ill.

"In the Uniform Crime Reporting Program, the victim of a hate crime may be an individual, a business, an institution, or society as a whole. In 2009, the Nation’s law enforcement agencies reported that there were 8,336 victims of hate crimes. Of these victims, 14 were victimized in 6 separate multiple-bias incidents.
By bias motivation

An analysis of data for victims of single-bias hate crime incidents showed that:

* 48.8 percent of the victims were targeted because of the offender’s bias against a race.
* 18.9 percent were victimized because of a bias against a religious belief.
* 17.8 percent were targeted because of a bias against a particular sexual orientation.
* 13.3 percent were victimized because of a bias against an ethnicity/national origin.
* 1.2 percent were targeted because of a bias against a disability.(Based on Table 1.)
"

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/index.html

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#110 May 12, 2011
Tennessee Tuxedo wrote:
<quoted text>
You look though a different window that is for sure.
You Blather about "study such matters" and don't have the small inkling of intelligence that it would take to Look It Up.
Your attitude does your cause much ill.
"In the Uniform Crime Reporting Program, the victim of a hate crime may be an individual, a business, an institution, or society as a whole. In 2009, the Nation’s law enforcement agencies reported that there were 8,336 victims of hate crimes. Of these victims, 14 were victimized in 6 separate multiple-bias incidents.
By bias motivation
An analysis of data for victims of single-bias hate crime incidents showed that:
* 48.8 percent of the victims were targeted because of the offender’s bias against a race.
* 18.9 percent were victimized because of a bias against a religious belief.
* 17.8 percent were targeted because of a bias against a particular sexual orientation.
* 13.3 percent were victimized because of a bias against an ethnicity/national origin.
* 1.2 percent were targeted because of a bias against a disability.(Based on Table 1.)
"
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/index.html
Well that certainly changes everything and gives everyone a free pass to bash away. Who cares what the numbers are. The violence and hate just needs to stop.
Equal

AOL

#111 May 12, 2011
Tennessee Tuxedo wrote:
<quoted text>
You look though a different window that is for sure.
You Blather about "study such matters" and don't have the small inkling of intelligence that it would take to Look It Up.
Your attitude does your cause much ill.
"In the Uniform Crime Reporting Program, the victim of a hate crime may be an individual, a business, an institution, or society as a whole. In 2009, the Nation’s law enforcement agencies reported that there were 8,336 victims of hate crimes. Of these victims, 14 were victimized in 6 separate multiple-bias incidents.
By bias motivation
An analysis of data for victims of single-bias hate crime incidents showed that:
* 48.8 percent of the victims were targeted because of the offender’s bias against a race.
* 18.9 percent were victimized because of a bias against a religious belief.
* 17.8 percent were targeted because of a bias against a particular sexual orientation.
* 13.3 percent were victimized because of a bias against an ethnicity/national origin.
* 1.2 percent were targeted because of a bias against a disability.(Based on Table 1.)
"
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/index.html
Those opposed to equal rights and fair treatment for gay people often cite a statistic showing the gay population as low as 2% of the population, while other studies show it at around 10%. No matter which of those you use, 17.8 percent of the crimes would reflect the highest per capita rate of violence.

FBI hate crime data shows that attacks founded on sexual orientation continue to be characterized by a high level of violence, with a higher proportion of personal assaults than in other categories of hate crime.
Santa Clara County, the California county south of San Francisco, has released its hate-crime data for 2008. In 2007, 15 percent of hate crimes were classified as homophobic; in 2008, 56 percent of hate crimes were motivated by homophobia.
Hate crimes against gays increased in 2007, up 6% from 2006 even though the overall number of hate crimes dropped slightly, the FBI reported
According to the Department of Justice, the LGBT community has been the second most targeted community of hate crimes in California since 1997.
Tennessee Tuxedo

Boise, ID

#112 May 12, 2011
Zagreos Phoenix wrote:
<quoted text>
Well that certainly changes everything and gives everyone a free pass to bash away. Who cares what the numbers are. The violence and hate just needs to stop.
No, it doesn't.

What it dose show is that when your too damned lazy to look up the stat, we will just watch the BS Meter peg, and consider the source.

If you are looking for support on a matter, have the integrity to tell the truth, instead of embellishing comments to make an "emotional" point.
Tennessee Tuxedo

Boise, ID

#113 May 12, 2011
Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Those opposed to equal rights and fair treatment for gay people often cite a statistic showing the gay population as low as 2% of the population, while other studies show it at around 10%. No matter which of those you use, 17.8 percent of the crimes would reflect the highest per capita rate of violence.
FBI hate crime data shows that attacks founded on sexual orientation continue to be characterized by a high level of violence, with a higher proportion of personal assaults than in other categories of hate crime.
Santa Clara County, the California county south of San Francisco, has released its hate-crime data for 2008. In 2007, 15 percent of hate crimes were classified as homophobic; in 2008, 56 percent of hate crimes were motivated by homophobia.
Hate crimes against gays increased in 2007, up 6% from 2006 even though the overall number of hate crimes dropped slightly, the FBI reported
According to the Department of Justice, the LGBT community has been the second most targeted community of hate crimes in California since 1997.
I am simply going to append any further posts by you with "In My Opinion" and consider the source.
Epic Fail

Minneapolis, MN

#114 May 12, 2011
Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Actual or perceived gender applies to everyone, gay, bi, or straight. Everyone has an actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, and gender identity.
Sexual orientation includes heterosexual, bisexual, and homosexual. All people are covered equally.
Everyone has a sexual orientation.
Gender identity. Everyone has a gender identity. No special rights.
Disability.... now this one is special because it only applies to everyone who has a disability, but some straight, bi and gay people have disabilities, and all would be covered.
If that is true then why enact this gay law at all if it already includes everybody?
digger

Saint Paul, MN

#115 May 12, 2011
thankyouthankyouthankyouthanky outhankyouthankyouthankyouthan kyouthankyouthankyouthankyou GOP!!

Since: Jun 08

Saint Paul, MN

#116 May 12, 2011
woodtick57 wrote:

Do you realize that you are posting on a page about a bill that intends to go way out of our government's way to put more gov't laws in place to interfere with some of our citizens' rights?
What citizens rights are being interfered with? You have all the same rights as anybody else, all you want is to have your perverted, unnatural sex lifestyle be recognized as "normal". Never will happen. Your choice to choose to have this lifestyle. Live with it.
woodtick57 wrote:

So you, infact, have even the slightest clue as to what you are posting about?
Your clueless posting shows that you have less knowledge.

Since: Jun 08

Saint Paul, MN

#117 May 12, 2011
Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Enough people liked him to make him the governor. But if you reject his words just because he said them
Don't reject them, if he said them. His opinion is just an opinion no more important than yours.
Equal wrote:
consider the words of James Madison, who wrote:“It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part …
WE are doing just that, protecting our traditional family marriage laws. We must guard against injustice that the homosexuals are trying to impose on the majority.

Equal wrote:
Equal rights were never intended to be dependant on any vote. The constitution requires all people to be treated equally under the law.
That is the way it is and that is the way it will always be. No matter how the homosexuals try to redefine words. Everybody is to be treated equally, homosexuals want additional rights.
Equal wrote:
Additionally no one takes nambla seriously other than those who use them to promote anti-gay prejudice and stereotypes.
No one a few years ago, took homosexuals seriously either. NAMBLA has just as many rights as other homosexuals have. Or are you suggesting that some homosexuals should not have the same rights that you want?
Equal wrote:
There is no reason to believe marriage equality would result in any change in the age or informed consent requirements. That is an irrational fear tactic.
No more fear tactic than having homosexuals change current law.
Equal wrote:
The slippery slope is a fallacy when used to promote the fear that changing one thing will lead to something entirely different. Allowing marriage equality does not change any of the rules or relationship dynamics for straight people, while changing the age requirement would require changing the rules for straight people.


Strange, your logic is questionable. Changing marriage laws is ok but changing the age of marriage is changing the rules? Changing marriage laws is changing the rules. If you can change the meaning of marriage why would lowering the age of consent be any different. In my opinion, lowering the age of consent is more in keeping with our marriage laws that redefining marriage to include unnatural unions of homosexuals.

Since: Jun 08

Saint Paul, MN

#118 May 12, 2011
Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
Yet gay people having the same rights you currently enjoy hams no one,
Homosexuals have the same rights.
Equal wrote:
while denial of the over 1,138 rights that automatically accompany marriage
If these so called 1,138 rights are harmful to the common good of society, you as a citizen should contact your representative and have them repealed.

BTW - We have to many laws (you call them rights), let us just vote all 1,138 off the books. Now are you satisfied. I will answer for you, No. What you really want is to be recognized as "normal". No law will ever exist that will normalized perverted, unnatural promiscuous sex with a person of the same sex.
Equal wrote:
harms gay couples and their children. Harming others needlessly is immoral.
Homosexuals cannot reproduce. I agree, homosexuals harming the traditional family is harmful and immoral to the common good.
Equal wrote:
While the official Church position is that gay people should be harmed,
Absolutely untrue. Name one position that states this.
Equal wrote:
the majority in the pews in the US, support legal recognition of marriage for gay people.
Again, absolutely untrue. If it is, bring it to a vote as you got the winning numbers. Why are you against bringing it to a vote if you are so sure about your opinion. Why is it that all 31 states have brought it to a vote, homosexual lifestyle has been rejected.

Since: Mar 07

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#119 May 13, 2011
Thomas F Schraad wrote:
<quoted text>
What citizens rights are being interfered with? You have all the same rights as anybody else, all you want is to have your perverted, unnatural sex lifestyle be recognized as "normal". Never will happen. Your choice to choose to have this lifestyle. Live with it.
<quoted text>
Your clueless posting shows that you have less knowledge.
So, when you hear about people marrying and forming families, you automatically start fantasizing about the types, frequency and intensity of the sex that they might be having?

And you are claiming to be NORMAL?

Who DOES that?

I don't know a single gay person who worried about the sex that straight married folks might be having.

Do you also obsess about sex, and spend time imagining it, when you are invited to a wedding of a straight couple? Or is it just gay couples that inflame your imagination?

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#120 May 13, 2011
Thomas F Schraad wrote:
<quoted text>
Homosexuals have the same rights.
<quoted text>
If these so called 1,138 rights are harmful to the common good of society, you as a citizen should contact your representative and have them repealed.
BTW - We have to many laws (you call them rights), let us just vote all 1,138 off the books. Now are you satisfied. I will answer for you, No. What you really want is to be recognized as "normal". No law will ever exist that will normalized perverted, unnatural promiscuous sex with a person of the same sex.
<quoted text>
Homosexuals cannot reproduce. I agree, homosexuals harming the traditional family is harmful and immoral to the common good.
<quoted text>
Absolutely untrue. Name one position that states this.
<quoted text>
Again, absolutely untrue. If it is, bring it to a vote as you got the winning numbers. Why are you against bringing it to a vote if you are so sure about your opinion. Why is it that all 31 states have brought it to a vote, homosexual lifestyle has been rejected.
All sillingess, of course.

No, gay folks don't have the same rights. We can't legally marry someone we can be attracted to and fall in love with. If you believe that loveless marriages should be the norm for ALL Americans, then that is your opinion, but I suspect most Americans would disagree with you.

And then you start fantasizing about gay folks have sex again. And that's just odd.

Your belief that gay people are infertile is strange, but patently untrue, and our ability to raise the children we poroduce, or adopt, is just as good as straight folks, as every study shows.

Why do people like you let your irrational hatred stand in the way of the facts, and simple decency?

It really makes no sense.

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#121 May 13, 2011
digger wrote:
thankyouthankyouthankyouthanky outhankyouthankyouthankyouthan kyouthankyouthankyouthankyou GOP!!
For working to harm law-abiding taxpayers, families, kids, and the elderly in their state?

How is that going to improve the economy?

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