Obama's scary plan to redistribute wealth

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For those who understand the true impact of what just happened last night and are fearful for our country, our futures, and those of our children and grandchildren, take heart. The sun came up this morning, God is still in control.
DOUBT YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HAPPEN.
Repubs have been in charge 10 of 12 years in Congress, 8 years in White House, here are the RESULTS, so stick your head back in the sand. Oh BTW - It is not just your GOD:
1. 25 million jobs lost;
2. double digit underemployment, and rising unemployment;
3. middle class has lost $9k of purchasing power; lowest % of GDP since 1970;
4. 2 wars, Al-Qaeda stronger than ever, IRAN new Gorilla on the block;
5. Dollar at lowest level since the 70s; commodities-oil, corn, energy-through the roof;
6. 8 million working class people pushed into poverty;
7. Will Street deregulated and allowed to run amuck; economy in toilet, 1.3 trillion dollar bailout - with more to come;
8. 11.6 trillion dollars in debt; we owe China more than a trillion dollars;
9. 7k Americans died from "terrorism;"
ALL UNDER A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.
ALL UNDER A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.
And if your head is still in the sand;
ALL UNDER A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.
Go SULK we will get to work, on cleaning up this Republican MESS.
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DOUBT YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT HAPPEN.
Repubs have been in charge 10 of 12 years in Congress, 8 years in White House, here are the RESULTS, so stick your head back in the sand. Oh BTW - It is not just your GOD:
1. 25 million jobs lost;
2. double digit underemployment, and rising unemployment;
3. middle class has lost $9k of purchasing power; lowest % of GDP since 1970;
4. 2 wars, Al-Qaeda stronger than ever, IRAN new Gorilla on the block;
5. Dollar at lowest level since the 70s; commodities-oil, corn, energy-through the roof;
6. 8 million working class people pushed into poverty;
7. Will Street deregulated and allowed to run amuck; economy in toilet, 1.3 trillion dollar bailout - with more to come;
8. 11.6 trillion dollars in debt; we owe China more than a trillion dollars;
9. 7k Americans died from "terrorism;"
ALL UNDER A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.
ALL UNDER A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.
And if your head is still in the sand;
ALL UNDER A REPUBLICAN GOVERNMENT.
Go SULK we will get to work, on cleaning up this Republican MESS.
OK - you keep putting up talking points, but not offering solutions on how Obama is going to fix this. I too am very fiscally conservative.

Sir - the economy is based on production - yes, supply side economics. It is true. We can move wealth around only so much. I have not had an answer as of yet on 95% tax cuts - when only 60% pay fed tax. The refundable tax credits are welfare payments - that is it. If you do not know what they are - ask and I will reply.

You are going to start seeing the evil rich offshoring their assets to shelter from the tax this guy wants to impose. The net result - lower investments in the US, increase in interest rates, inflation - with no jobs / company growth. Go ahead and explain how Obama will grow the economy. Please.
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From the looks of this Presidential race, whites voting 60/40 in favor of Obama and 98% of blacks voting Obama I would guess that Whites are a lot less racist than Blacks. If 98% of Whites voted McCain we would never hear the end of it....Some in this country are making strides while others are become further from unity.

I feel sick that a man with no qualification other than being black has taken the white house. That blacks who never voted did so this time on color alone. Talk about racism...

I see more racism and hate in the black community than any other community. Your ancestors who fought for freedom would roll over in their graves to see the mess you have made of your lives and the hate you keep handing down to you children. Instead of taking advantage of a democracy you choose to keep hate alive and keep the welfare lines long. Race was never an issue in the minds of many white americans but it was the only issue in black americans. Voting records or moral did not enter your minds.

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Nov 5, 2008
 
Jim says:

"In the mean time, we must fight such things as the "fairness doctrine." That will be one of the first things that Obama and the democrats will go for so they can silence any and all critics of them and their policies. We may well see filters on the Internet as they have in most Communist countries so we won't be able to access any negative news about them or their activities."

This is message board so impacted with news, copies of laws, up to date on the latest reports of our government and the things they wanted to pull over on the American citizen.

This board was closed. I could always go there to get any info on almost anything with accurated references, even though it states Immigration this was a very heavy political board:

Immigration Debate AOL Message Board.

This is another board which was closed and later updated with a new programmed board, meaning they can read every comment entered and decide if it should be posted. This was a request by the hispanic community to the local newspaper. They suceeded, read the archives in reference to their comments:

www.sentinelnews.com

This is another board that has changed format and made it more difficult to sign on and enter your comments,which was about political, the corrupted city officials, etc., many posters have complained how difficult it has become to post.

courier-journal Louisville Pluck Forum The Courier-Journal

This is just three which have altered or either discontinue their boards and made no bones about why they wanted to censorship.

No telling how many others there is, if we all added our info about other boards which were discontinue.

Yes,they want to censor citizens in America.
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Nov 5, 2008
 
there will be riots and protests im sure..

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Nov 5, 2008
 
Chylloh wrote:
Jim says:
"In the mean time, we must fight such things as the "fairness doctrine." That will be one of the first things that Obama and the democrats will go for so they can silence any and all critics of them and their policies. We may well see filters on the Internet as they have in most Communist countries so we won't be able to access any negative news about them or their activities."
This is message board so impacted with news, copies of laws, up to date on the latest reports of our government and the things they wanted to pull over on the American citizen.
This board was closed. I could always go there to get any info on almost anything with accurated references, even though it states Immigration this was a very heavy political board:
Immigration Debate AOL Message Board.
This is another board which was closed and later updated with a new programmed board, meaning they can read every comment entered and decide if it should be posted. This was a request by the hispanic community to the local newspaper. They suceeded, read the archives in reference to their comments:
www.sentinelnews.com
This is another board that has changed format and made it more difficult to sign on and enter your comments,which was about political, the corrupted city officials, etc., many posters have complained how difficult it has become to post.
courier-journal Louisville Pluck Forum The Courier-Journal
This is just three which have altered or either discontinue their boards and made no bones about why they wanted to censorship.
No telling how many others there is, if we all added our info about other boards which were discontinue.
Yes,they want to censor citizens in America.
They also censor the political content on the kids in Myspace and others. Obama tipped his hand anytime even a MSM outlet criticized him they were punished, or threatened with law suits. We are entering very scary times.
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Marc wrote:
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OK - you keep putting up talking points, but not offering solutions on how Obama is going to fix this. I too am very fiscally conservative.
Sir - the economy is based on production - yes, supply side economics. It is true. We can move wealth around only so much. I have not had an answer as of yet on 95% tax cuts - when only 60% pay fed tax. The refundable tax credits are welfare payments - that is it. If you do not know what they are - ask and I will reply.
You are going to start seeing the evil rich offshoring their assets to shelter from the tax this guy wants to impose. The net result - lower investments in the US, increase in interest rates, inflation - with no jobs / company growth. Go ahead and explain how Obama will grow the economy. Please.
1. If you listen Obama said 95% of working families - so either they get suspended payroll taxes or lower income tax - what is so difficult to understand.
2. First of all if we don't lower debt, interest rates will rise anyway; money goes wherever it gets best return - has no nationality; we will follow the money and tax them anyway.
3. JOBS - generate 4-5 million - infrastructure if no other;
4. Energy - comprehensive plan for independence, including standardizing nuclear plants, conversion of govt fleet to NG, establish national NG network, increase wind and solar subsidies;
5. IRAQ - End the War in Iraq;
6. Re-regulate Financial Industry;
7. Institute national health plan using private healthcare delivers - paid for by savings from ER system, lowering private insurance marketing fees.
8. When economy settles down, eliminate Bush tax cuts for wealthy.
9. Send Bush, Cheney, Phil Gramm bill for 6.3 trillion dollars
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epocalypse 911 wrote:
From the looks of this Presidential race, whites voting 60/40 in favor of Obama and 98% of blacks voting Obama I would guess that Whites are a lot less racist than Blacks. If 98% of Whites voted McCain we would never hear the end of it....Some in this country are making strides while others are become further from unity.
I feel sick that a man with no qualification other than being black has taken the white house. That blacks who never voted did so this time on color alone. Talk about racism...
I see more racism and hate in the black community than any other community. Your ancestors who fought for freedom would roll over in their graves to see the mess you have made of your lives and the hate you keep handing down to you children. Instead of taking advantage of a democracy you choose to keep hate alive and keep the welfare lines long. Race was never an issue in the minds of many white americans but it was the only issue in black americans. Voting records or moral did not enter your minds.
1. Terrible logic - 92% of blacks voted for Clinton, Gore, for Kerry. Sounds like they vote for whomever the Dem is. SOrt of like why the Pope is Catholic.DUH
2. BTW - they do that because Republicans have a terrorist wing called KKK, and a segregationist wing that discriminated and brutalized blacks for 150 years.
I don't think whites ought to be talking about racism for another 10-20 years: there are still black people who remember white only drinking fountains, back of buses, not being able to vote, and churches being bombed.
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Middleclass:
The 'segregationist wing' you mention was a Democrat thing. After the Civil War and Reconstruction, no white Southerner would vote for what they called a 'black Republican'. For decades in the South, you had to be registered Democrat to get a job, especially with the state. When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act into law, some southern Democrats bolted from the party and formed the Dixiecrats. The South didn't go Republican until Nixon.
The KKK is a joke now, even white people laugh at them. The FBI did a great job of busting them up in the 70s and they have never recovered (thank God).
IMHO, the Democrat party takes the black vote for granted. They feel they 'own' the black vote and can make empty promises that they don't have to keep.

“1/20/09 The Error of Obama”

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Before I sign off this thread until January 20th, I have a suggestion for the Obama supporters. I know that, according to Bill Bradley, that there are millions of Obama supporters working the emails and blogs across America who want to have a part in the administration as well as the campaign. Okay, here is your chance.
If you look at the polls today, you see that the DOW polls are anything but happy about Obama winning. If Obama follows through with the policies he says he wants to do, his presidency will be a disaster and over before it even begins. Now, as a Republican if he does this he will gift wrap the House and Senate for the GOP in 2010. This would be a wonderful gift.
However, America doesn't need to have Obama fail. So, here is a suggestion that would allow Obama to have a miraculously successful presidency and would win in a landslide in 2012, and would leave a legacy as a great president. All he has to do is swing hard right on his economic and national security issues. If he would follow Reagan's policies, if he would bring Newt Gingrich in as his chief advisor, Obama would be loved for generations to come.
Now, you know how Obama can become a legend as one of the all time great presidents. However, if you does what he campaigned on he will be one of the all time failures. I hope that Obama is as smart as everyone says that he is.
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Jim. You must have a lot of time on your hands to write such garbage.

You are basically saying to do what Bush did and watch America fail some more.

What an idiot you are.

Actually, I hope socialism comes into play. Whiners complain about not being able to work hard and make more money. Thats the evil of America. There should be a limit on wealth. Anything above a certain point breeds corruption.

But dont attach the word "scary" to Obama. GW Bush is the most incompetent bigot this country has ever seen and we still luckily came out in one piece.
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middleclass wrote:
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1. If you listen Obama said 95% of working families - so either they get suspended payroll taxes or lower income tax - what is so difficult to understand.
2. First of all if we don't lower debt, interest rates will rise anyway; money goes wherever it gets best return - has no nationality; we will follow the money and tax them anyway.
3. JOBS - generate 4-5 million - infrastructure if no other;
4. Energy - comprehensive plan for independence, including standardizing nuclear plants, conversion of govt fleet to NG, establish national NG network, increase wind and solar subsidies;
5. IRAQ - End the War in Iraq;
6. Re-regulate Financial Industry;
7. Institute national health plan using private healthcare delivers - paid for by savings from ER system, lowering private insurance marketing fees.
8. When economy settles down, eliminate Bush tax cuts for wealthy.
9. Send Bush, Cheney, Phil Gramm bill for 6.3 trillion dollars
OK - you stated absolutely nothing - more liberal horseshit.

Difficult to understand??? 95% tax cut. 60% pay income taxes. What is the tax cut? Those folks who do not pay receive a check from the government.

Keep lowering the debt - the dollar will be worthless. Another dumbass remark.

Jobs. What jobs are you generating? Is this private industry or is this more government created jobs? If government, no thanks. We have over 14 million federal government employees. This is more than the top ten companies world wide. Think about that.

Energy plan is bullshit. OK - I said it. This guy made statements about bankrupting coal industry. He made the statement. He has no plan on oil - except to fill your tires. Here we go with subsidies once again. You liberals talk about corporate welfare - then you talk about providing subsidies. So what I am getting from this is that if it fits your agenda - then taxing people is OK. Great.

Just what we need - more regulations. Please explain the re-regulations. I need to hear this.

Please explain how the government healthplan will save money - go ahead. Explain how the folks who opt not to select health insurance or to the illegal aliens - a large contigent of those folks without insurance will now receive this. Also - you need to explain how California, a model of the illegal alien central has benefited with a $7 Billion dollar deficit and cannot borrow money from the bank. You need to reply with an answer.

Bush tax cuts for the wealth - just another bullshit liberal respose. Guess what, sir - you raise the taxes to pay for all the above - then you will see more money offshored by the rich to protect their assets. You will see interest rates raised because where do you think the funding comes from the lending institutions and banks?

Liberals just do not understand economics. It is comical!!
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Old American Gal wrote:
Middleclass:
The 'segregationist wing' you mention was a Democrat thing. After the Civil War and Reconstruction, no white Southerner would vote for what they called a 'black Republican'. For decades in the South, you had to be registered Democrat to get a job, especially with the state. When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act into law, some southern Democrats bolted from the party and formed the Dixiecrats. The South didn't go Republican until Nixon.
The KKK is a joke now, even white people laugh at them. The FBI did a great job of busting them up in the 70s and they have never recovered (thank God).
IMHO, the Democrat party takes the black vote for granted. They feel they 'own' the black vote and can make empty promises that they don't have to keep.
But its PERFECTLY OK for the black Panthers to be stading outside with a night stick guarding the poll in philly...a black racial cult..opposite of the kkk..Makes alot of sense to me..
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epoc:
I don't care for any radical group of any stripe - we all have to live together. I was just clearing up a couple of misconceptions the poster 'Middleclass' had. I don't even know if he or she realizes that Lincoln was a Republican!
I have a grown man working with me who honestly thought that Obama is the first Democrat President since 1963. "That's what the TV said."
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Actually, I hope socialism comes into play. Whiners complain about not being able to work hard and make more money. Thats the evil of America. There should be a limit on wealth. Anything above a certain point breeds corruption.
HUH?
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Old American Gal wrote:
Middleclass:
The 'segregationist wing' you mention was a Democrat thing. After the Civil War and Reconstruction, no white Southerner would vote for what they called a 'black Republican'. For decades in the South, you had to be registered Democrat to get a job, especially with the state. When LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act into law, some southern Democrats bolted from the party and formed the Dixiecrats. The South didn't go Republican until Nixon.
The KKK is a joke now, even white people laugh at them. The FBI did a great job of busting them up in the 70s and they have never recovered (thank God).
IMHO, the Democrat party takes the black vote for granted. They feel they 'own' the black vote and can make empty promises that they don't have to keep.
Agreed with you right up to the end.
Democrats do not take Black Vote for granted, democratic platform includes issues important to black and white middle class people - jobs, civil/individual rights, inflation, infrastructure, safety; remove those issues and see what happens, same with Hispanics.
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epoc:
I don't care for any radical group of any stripe - we all have to live together. I was just clearing up a couple of misconceptions the poster 'Middleclass' had. I don't even know if he or she realizes that Lincoln was a Republican!
I have a grown man working with me who honestly thought that Obama is the first Democrat President since 1963. "That's what the TV said."
Of course I realize Lincoln was a Republican, also realize many black people use to vote Republican. But today's republican party is not the party of Lincoln.
Southern Democrats 1964 DNC - challenged by Fannie Lou Hammer for seat as Freedom Democrats - you guys are reading history I was there.
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But its PERFECTLY OK for the black Panthers to be stading outside with a night stick guarding the poll in philly...a black racial cult..opposite of the kkk..Makes alot of sense to me..
Yes Panthers were protecting voters, not lynching them, or beating them, or bombing them.
Unfortunately for Viola Liuzzo, Mickey Schwerner, James Chaney, and Andrew Goodman there weren't more of them.
Racist or uninformed do not understand the difference between self defense and cowards who come in the night or kill innocent people along dark highways - because of the color of their skin.
Panthers, I went to Cal 1960s when Panthers started up - never felt threatened by them at all.
Whites routinely walked freely in Oakland, tutored black children, etc.
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
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Jim Says wrote:
For those who understand the true impact of what just happened last night and are fearful for our country, our futures, and those of our children and grandchildren, take
Jim,

We have previously exposed you many times for what you are: a sycophant and a bald faced liar. Why do you still post your noxious illusions borne of a half wit mentality?

Look, the last person that took GOP advice just lost an election. The other guy, who takes his puppet orders from Cheney's neocon cabal, has an approval rating dipping below 20%. So, thanks for your offer, but the country needs competent men this time, not corrupt half wits. You see Jim, Americans have woken up to the GOP propaganda machine which they now reject. The world is quite pleased along with a majority of Americans that we will now be governed by intelligent men who have Americas interest at heart.

Jim, try this. Give Bush a call. You know, the guy you fantasize about when your alone. Give him a call and give him your advice. Then call McCain and tell him not to spread so much hatred next time, it doesn't work. Then call Palin and let her know what NAFTA is, where Africa is located, and the fact that proximity to Russia does not foreign policy experience make: regardless if "Putin's head bobs over Alaska" or not.

Finally Jim, you are a sycophant and a bald faced liar. You will not change nor will the GOP. You belong with the GOP. Any and all of your post are suspect.
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ok ..so what would the media do if the kkk was standing out there with a nightstick..smartass

i dont care about your involvement with the black panthers..i have never been in any racial group because im not racist

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