Mitt Romney says Obamacare has ruined...

Mitt Romney says Obamacare has ruined Obama's second term. Is he right?

There are 804 comments on the Christian Science Monitor story from Nov 3, 2013, titled Mitt Romney says Obamacare has ruined Obama's second term. Is he right?. In it, Christian Science Monitor reports that:

President Obama speaks at Boston's Faneuil Hall about Obamacare Wednesday. Faneuil Hall is where former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Obama's rival in the 2012 presidential election, signed the state's landmark health care law in 2006, with top Democrats standing by his side.

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“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

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#680 Dec 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, i know what happened, they gave them amnesty and gave lip service to stopping future illegal immigration, thus worsening the problem. same thing current amnesty supporters want to do.
we all know how to stop illegal immigration, crack down on the US 'citizens' breaking the law by hiring illegals. when the economy tanked and the jobs dried up, so did border crossings. in fact people were talking of reverse illegal immigration.
we know this would work, it is just the us electrorate that do not want to put forth this effort.
I understand the need for immigration reform and think it is worth giving a serious look/consideration. The devil is in the details. Business wants the cheap labor so they hire illegals. A strict enforcement and prosecution of violators would see a drastic drop in that concern. [email protected] its impossible to arrest/deport (fill in the number) we can cull the most undesirable among them. We DO need a guest worker program for agriculture. Having both been a farmer AND a hired farm hand in the past I know how hard it is to get Americans to do farm work and how hard that work really is.
Retired Farmer

Hopkinsville, KY

#681 Dec 13, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>We DO need a guest worker program for agriculture. Having both been a farmer AND a hired farm hand in the past I know how hard it is to get Americans to do farm work and how hard that work really is.
True and not true. Like you said, the devil is in the details. Yes, we need a guest worker program to get people to do things like harvest vegetables by hand, pluck chickens, etc. We don't need it for mechanized grain and cotton farming, however. My son-in-law does precision agriculture grain farming. The cab of his new John Deere grain combine looks like the cockpit of a Boeing 777. He actually had trouble finding anyone who could be trained to operate it. That kind of people are not found at the welfare office and they don't wade the Rio Grande. And the American who can do it does not want to because it is seasonal. A person that's good enough to do that kind of farm work looks for a full time year round job.
Annagain

Oakland, CA

#682 Dec 13, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
True and not true. Like you said, the devil is in the details. Yes, we need a guest worker program to get people to do things like harvest vegetables by hand, pluck chickens, etc. We don't need it for mechanized grain and cotton farming, however. My son-in-law does precision agriculture grain farming. The cab of his new John Deere grain combine looks like the cockpit of a Boeing 777. He actually had trouble finding anyone who could be trained to operate it. That kind of people are not found at the welfare office and they don't wade the Rio Grande. And the American who can do it does not want to because it is seasonal. A person that's good enough to do that kind of farm work looks for a full time year round job.
Just to give you an idea what is happening with farm workers in California.

With tighter border security and immigration reform discussions continuing, farmers in the San Joaquin Valley are experiencing a very tough time finding workers.

It is in fact so bad that farmers have agents in field trying to steal other farmer’s pickers by offering better pay.

The labor shortage will have an impact on prices at the grocery store in the long run, as the labor shortage continues.

Farmers may decide to plant on fewer acres, because they know they won't have the labor and they don't want to see their crops go to waste if no one can pick them.

Some farmers are now trying to offer workers year-round jobs, so that when it comes time to harvest, they'll have a reliable crew.

They know there's nothing they can do if workers decide to go across the street because they're getting paid more.

Farmers rely exclusively on migrant workers because no one else will labor in the fields.

Thousands of jobs are advertised at the Employment Development Department in Stockton, Fresno and Modesto to no avail. In spite of high unemployment in the San Joaquin Valley no white american citizen has applied for a farming job in the fields in many years!
spud

Blakeslee, PA

#683 Dec 13, 2013
Annagain wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to give you an idea what is happening with farm workers in California.
With tighter border security and immigration reform discussions continuing, farmers in the San Joaquin Valley are experiencing a very tough time finding workers.
It is in fact so bad that farmers have agents in field trying to steal other farmer’s pickers by offering better pay.
The labor shortage will have an impact on prices at the grocery store in the long run, as the labor shortage continues.
Farmers may decide to plant on fewer acres, because they know they won't have the labor and they don't want to see their crops go to waste if no one can pick them.
Some farmers are now trying to offer workers year-round jobs, so that when it comes time to harvest, they'll have a reliable crew.
They know there's nothing they can do if workers decide to go across the street because they're getting paid more.
Farmers rely exclusively on migrant workers because no one else will labor in the fields.
Thousands of jobs are advertised at the Employment Development Department in Stockton, Fresno and Modesto to no avail. In spite of high unemployment in the San Joaquin Valley no white american citizen has applied for a farming job in the fields in many years!
Good. That sounds just like the market economy is supposed to work.
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“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

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#685 Dec 13, 2013
spud wrote:
<quoted text>Good. That sounds just like the market economy is supposed to work.
You sound like you'd be f**king THRILLED to pay $3.00 for a can of green beans.....

How to get unemployed white Americans back on the farm.... Cut the welfare/unemployment/food stamps. Want to see a "disabled" person work? Let them get hungery. Then we'll see just how "disabled" they really are......

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#686 Dec 14, 2013
okimar wrote:
<quoted text> You sound like you'd be f**king THRILLED to pay $3.00 for a can of green beans......
Made up numbers- like your word- are worthless.

If you are having people picking beans by hand, by the way: you are welcome to the $3 a can you insist you can charge.

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#687 Dec 15, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
You find those Lincoln letters... like you promised... AnalButter?
Do you know as much about FDR as Lincoln? You know... nothing?
I see you are still running around in the same circle demostrating to be the Topix Idiot since you have trouble with links that were provided by other Topix Users.

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#688 Dec 15, 2013
I noticed you haven't been able to find the link to those letters you promised.

Funny how a link takes exactly ZERO words and yet you have been providing excuses for the letters you insist exist proving Lincoln was a communist sympathizer for two months.

Like above.

You are a lying sack of [email protected], AB.

But we knew that from the moment you opened your mouth.
Retired Farmer

Dawson Springs, KY

#689 Dec 15, 2013
Annagain wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to give you an idea what is happening with farm workers in California.
With tighter border security and immigration reform discussions continuing, farmers in the San Joaquin Valley are experiencing a very tough time finding workers.
It is in fact so bad that farmers have agents in field trying to steal other farmer’s pickers by offering better pay.
The labor shortage will have an impact on prices at the grocery store in the long run, as the labor shortage continues.
Farmers may decide to plant on fewer acres, because they know they won't have the labor and they don't want to see their crops go to waste if no one can pick them.
Some farmers are now trying to offer workers year-round jobs, so that when it comes time to harvest, they'll have a reliable crew.
They know there's nothing they can do if workers decide to go across the street because they're getting paid more.
Farmers rely exclusively on migrant workers because no one else will labor in the fields.
Thousands of jobs are advertised at the Employment Development Department in Stockton, Fresno and Modesto to no avail. In spite of high unemployment in the San Joaquin Valley no white american citizen has applied for a farming job in the fields in many years!
Same sort of situation developed in Georgia after the state made its crackdown on employing Mexicans a few years ago.

Friend of mine is a vegetable grower. He had a crew of Mexicans for years - some guys that traveled from harvest to harvest. Then he couldn't get them because of the crackdown.

He went to the state employment office and they sent him a crew: a bunch of middle aged women who had been laid off from a clothing factory that closed. They were simply not in good enough physical shape to do the hard field work in the blazing hot sun. Same thing happens with tobacco here. The kind of unemployed people who lost factory jobs are simply not physically able to do field work.

Small farmers can't afford to employ people year round, either. Result is all the small ones are going out of business.

“Take a deep breath”

Since: Dec 12

Let it out

#690 Dec 15, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Same sort of situation developed in Georgia after the state made its crackdown on employing Mexicans a few years ago.
Friend of mine is a vegetable grower. He had a crew of Mexicans for years - some guys that traveled from harvest to harvest. Then he couldn't get them because of the crackdown.
He went to the state employment office and they sent him a crew: a bunch of middle aged women who had been laid off from a clothing factory that closed. They were simply not in good enough physical shape to do the hard field work in the blazing hot sun. Same thing happens with tobacco here. The kind of unemployed people who lost factory jobs are simply not physically able to do field work.
Small farmers can't afford to employ people year round, either. Result is all the small ones are going out of business.
Criminals sit in prison eating free food and watching free cable TV. Slap chains on their ankles and force them to pick fruit at gunpoint until they learn that crime doesn't pay. Whatever the farmers pay illegal invaders, have them pay that to society for the prison labor. When the convicts get out of prison, they will have a marketable skill to fall back on.
Retired Farmer

Dawson Springs, KY

#691 Dec 15, 2013
That was standard operating procedure in the South 100 years ago. They called it convict leasing. It worked too. But abuses in the system killed it. Florida, for example, made vagrancy a crime and arrested any able bodied man that couldn't produce $10 cash. There may be some kind of international treaty that prohibits it too.
wild child

Brooklyn, NY

#692 Dec 15, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Criminals sit in prison eating free food and watching free cable TV. Slap chains on their ankles and force them to pick fruit at gunpoint until they learn that crime doesn't pay. Whatever the farmers pay illegal invaders, have them pay that to society for the prison labor. When the convicts get out of prison, they will have a marketable skill to fall back on.
there you go.do that with all people who get welfare and we are set.between welfare people and jailbirds, no reason for any illegals.get them all out or they will become the new welfare, jailbirds.

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#693 Dec 15, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
<quoted text>
Criminals sit in prison eating free food and watching free cable TV.
Only in Republican prisons, honey.

I know that's the way it was when you were serving time.
Retired Farmer

Kuttawa, KY

#694 Dec 15, 2013
wild child wrote:
<quoted text> there you go.do that with all people who get welfare
Again, most of the people on welfare are not physically fit enough to do field work.
wild child

Brooklyn, NY

#695 Dec 15, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, most of the people on welfare are not physically fit enough to do field work.
ok than they can clean bathrooms, or work at a fastfood place, or whatever they can do, work for the check.your jailbirds can do the feilds.get my drift.no illegals.soon their foodstamps will stop.if no one gives them work or rents to them.they willl selfdeport, fact.thats what im aming for.everyone can do something.

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#696 Dec 15, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
I noticed you haven't been able to find the link to those letters you promised.
Funny how a link takes exactly ZERO words and yet you have been providing excuses for the letters you insist exist proving Lincoln was a communist sympathizer for two months.
Like above.
You are a lying sack of [email protected], AB.
But we knew that from the moment you opened your mouth.
the Lying sack of crap is you and you know it from the first day you started posting on TOPIX with your twist and spin of the facts and I also posted the link that confirmed the existence of the letters between Lincoln and Marx and other topix users also did too and where to find them which you have dug your hole so deep with your false accusations here on topix that it is impossible for you to ever climb back out of the hole you have dug for yourself which is why you will never gain your credibility back here on TOPIX so keep posting Woodtick57.

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#697 Dec 15, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, most of the people on welfare are not physically fit enough to do field work.
they will either get physically fit or starve to death and either way people on Welfare need to get off the Dole which Liberal FDR would agree.

Changing attitudes

How food stamps morphed from temporary relief to permanent entitlement


By Marvin Olasky
Issue: "Food stamps surge," Nov. 19, 2011

Roosevelt himself acknowledged the danger of welfare programs becoming "a habit with the country." In November 1933, he said, "When any man or woman goes on a dole something happens to them mentally and the quicker they are taken off the dole the better it is for them the rest of their lives." Early in 1935 Roosevelt argued, "We must preserve not only the bodies of the unemployed from destitution but also their self-respect, their self-reliance and courage and determination."

Later that year Roosevelt noted, "In this business of relief we are dealing with properly self-respecting Americans to whom a mere dole outrages every instinct of individual independence. Most Americans want to give something for what they get. That something, in this case honest work, is the saving barrier between them and moral disintegration. We propose to build that barrier high."

http://www.worldmag.com/2011/11/changing_atti...

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#698 Dec 15, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>the Lying sack of crap is you a.
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Lincoln sure was for Communism
You said it.

You prove it.

Where oh where are those letters?
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
hate to tell you, but you can go to Washington DC and
where oh where can they be?

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#699 Dec 15, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
I also posted the link that confirmed the existence of the letters between Lincoln and Marx
If you have proof yesterday, you have proof today.

If you had proof a week ago, you have proof today.

If you had proof a month ago, you have proof today.

If you were full of [email protected] a month ago... obviously... you are full of [email protected] now.

The reason you can't find a link to any letters written and signed by Abraham Lincoln is: they don't exist.
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Lincoln sure was for Communism
prove it, AnalButter.

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#700 Dec 16, 2013
barefoot2626 wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You said it.
You prove it.
Where oh where are those letters?
<quoted text>
where oh where can they be?
still running in the same circle claming to be the Topix Idiot which never fails.

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