Admitting the NSA is out of control is just the first step

Jun 9, 2013 Full story: Washington Times 283

Members of Congress are expressing their concern and outrage over the latest revelations of widespread data gathering by the NSA.

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#1 Jun 9, 2013
NSA does its job quietly & effectively, as they have always done, since their inception.
People are just figuring this out now?
Give a hoot, read a book.

Since: Jul 07

Newport News, VA

#3 Jun 9, 2013
hmmmmm. NSA and IRS are out of control? you mean big government is NOT good for the people? obama gots some splainin to do...
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4 Jun 9, 2013
"Now that this is all becoming public it ought to be provoking a Constitutional crisis. It raises the question of whether the Fourth Amendment has any meaning at all in a digital age and whether citizens should have any expectation of privacy in their communications at all".

"NOW" this all becoming public?

December 16, 2005

Months after the Sept. 11 attacks, President Bush secretly authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop on Americans and others inside the United States to search for evidence of terrorist activity without the court-approved warrants ordinarily required for domestic spying, according to government officials.

Under a presidential order signed in 2002, the intelligence agency has monitored the international telephone calls and international e-mail messages of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of people inside the United States without warrants over the past three years in an effort to track possible "dirty numbers" linked to Al Qaeda, the officials said. The agency, they said, still seeks warrants to monitor entirely domestic communications.

The previously undisclosed decision to permit some eavesdropping inside the country without court approval was a major shift in American intelligence-gathering practices, particularly for the National Security Agency, whose mission is to spy on communications abroad. As a result, some officials familiar with the continuing operation have questioned whether the surveillance has stretched, if not crossed, constitutional limits on legal searches.

They only feign interest in the constitution, when they get caught.

A full audit of the practices of the NSA and other security agencies seems clearly called for and it should result in a unified and comprehensive intelligence policy approved and regularly reviewed by Congress. This policy should set clear limits on information gathering and communications monitoring and provide absolute protections for the rights of citizens, especially rights to privacy, free speech and due process of law.

A "full" audit?

Congress does that every three months when they have RENEWED it every three months.

I think they are outraged because their secret is out, not because they have ANY interest in protecting our rights.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#6 Jun 9, 2013
BandMaster wrote:
Benghazi has a lot more juice to get Obama impeached than this wimpy story.
then why after all this time don't you even have a shred of evidence of any impeachable offense?

keep grave dancing....
Fire the GOP

San Jose, CA

#7 Jun 9, 2013
The NSA = Right-wing big brother extremisim gone amok.
Doc

Greenfield, IN

#8 Jun 9, 2013
The Patriot Act was always designed to wage war on Patriots/Americans. When did we miss the world conference on terrorists when the 100 or so Al Quieda people merged with every other terror organization and become the almighty Oz. The Oz must now be attacked with all means necessary. Money no object, liberty dont worry about it, laws, what was that. Trust thy neighbor so you can get in his house and plant a bug so you can turn the information over to the govt. to handle it properly. Just remember my representative is just fine, its yours thats doing this crazy stuff you need to vote for somebody like my guy. Problem is, none of them are my guy and they are not the citizens guy. They are all govt. guys or corporate guys with money to get the govt. guy to do his bidding for him.
You have no guy, you aint got enough money to have a guy. Thats the way it is and thats the way its gonna stay.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#9 Jun 9, 2013
Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., is “extremely disturbed by what appears to be an overbroad interpretation of the [PATRIOT] Act.”

Really, then why did he and 211 Republican
members of the House vote in favor of the Patriot
Act in 2001?

Why did ALL of the Republican members of the Senate for it in 2001?

Are these Republicans suffering from buyers remorse?

Or just from their usual astounding hypocrisy?
Brad

Manchester, CT

#11 Jun 9, 2013
BandMaster wrote:
Benghazi has a lot more juice to get Obama impeached than this wimpy story.
We're gonna find that the Benghazi cover-up is as much about illegal gun running as anything else.
Fast and Furious on steroids.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#12 Jun 9, 2013
Let's see. The Federal government is spying on me.
The government of China is spying on the US government. So obviously, the commies in China know my phone number. Funny.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#13 Jun 9, 2013
Gary wrote:
Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wisc., is “extremely disturbed by what appears to be an overbroad interpretation of the [PATRIOT] Act.”
Really, then why did he and 211 Republican
members of the House vote in favor of the Patriot
Act in 2001?
Why did ALL of the Republican members of the Senate for it in 2001?
Are these Republicans suffering from buyers remorse?
Or just from their usual astounding hypocrisy?
The odd part is that I opposed the concept of a "war on terror," (sounded expensive; boy was I right) the invasion of Iraq (helped Iran, duh), and the passage of the Patriot Act because the liberals on the courts have a tendency to broadly interpret all laws to the advantage of the government (got enough of those laws; don't need anymore; boy was I right again.)

Likewise, I thought the bailout of AIG was throwing good money down the hole.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#14 Jun 9, 2013
Is it just me or does it seem like the NSA has the same job as the CIA?

Why do we need two spook agencies?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#15 Jun 9, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like the NSA has the same job as the CIA?
Why do we need two spook agencies?
one would think someone with the name patriot in his moniker would know the difference between the two...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#16 Jun 9, 2013
Brad wrote:
<quoted text>
We're gonna find that the Benghazi cover-up is as much about illegal gun running as anything else.
Fast and Furious on steroids.
what cover-up? as yet you have found no cover-up at all...just your partisan grave dancing...
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#17 Jun 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>one would think someone with the name patriot in his moniker would know the difference between the two...
I know the difference between the two, but really we have NSA, the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security, Army Intelligence, etc. Too many agencies with too many chiefs. Poor Indians. LOL.

Of course, the NSA at least asks a judge's permission first. The IRS thinks it doesn't need a judge's permission.

Maybe the NSA should have asked the IRS for information.
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#18 Jun 9, 2013
As an opponent of the war on terror and the patriot act, I have been hacked four times. Two under the Bush Administration. Two under the Obama Administration.

Apparently, they think they can silence me by attacking my computer. Once they've attacked it, I have to go through the expense of replacing the motherboard and the processor and setting up new email address, change provider, and delete the windows partition and erase the hard drive and reinstall everything.

Maybe I should demand a refund from the NSA.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#19 Jun 9, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the difference between the two, but really we have NSA, the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security, Army Intelligence, etc. Too many agencies with too many chiefs. Poor Indians. LOL.
Of course, the NSA at least asks a judge's permission first. The IRS thinks it doesn't need a judge's permission.
Maybe the NSA should have asked the IRS for information.
since the tea party groups state they have no social agenda, just the political ones they claim, then it would behoove the IRS to check into any group using that name as a tax exempt entity.

i think they did a good job in the extra scrutiny. the facts would agree with me...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#20 Jun 9, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
I know the difference between the two, but really we have NSA, the FBI, the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security, Army Intelligence, etc. Too many agencies with too many chiefs. Poor Indians. LOL.
Of course, the NSA at least asks a judge's permission first. The IRS thinks it doesn't need a judge's permission.
Maybe the NSA should have asked the IRS for information.
the CIA cn't spy on US citizens. the NSA has international security knowledge and can work inside the US. kind of like the FBI and CIA combined...

sounds like a good idea to me...
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#21 Jun 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>since the tea party groups state they have no social agenda, just the political ones they claim, then it would behoove the IRS to check into any group using that name as a tax exempt entity.
i think they did a good job in the extra scrutiny. the facts would agree with me...
3C is tax exempt. Most tea party orgs were filing for non-profit, nontax-exempt status.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#22 Jun 9, 2013
Navy Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
3C is tax exempt. Most tea party orgs were filing for non-profit, nontax-exempt status.
why would they need approval for that from the IRS? don't they just have to file as such?

in fact, many of the groups interviewed were clearly filing for tax-exempt status. are you sure you have your facts right?
Navy Patriot

Lodi, CA

#23 Jun 9, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>since the tea party groups state they have no social agenda, just the political ones they claim, then it would behoove the IRS to check into any group using that name as a tax exempt entity.
i think they did a good job in the extra scrutiny. the facts would agree with me...
Most of the tea party groups were applying for non-profit 3D status not 3C status. The difference is the 3C is tax exempt and the 3D is not tax exempt. Some of the contributions to 3D are tax exempt, but most are not.

Given the difference, the IRS was unnecessarily targeting the tea party groups.

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