Obama's signature: Real or autopenned?

Jun 26, 2011 Full story: WOODTV.com 43

It's the open secret that nobody in government wants to talk about: That cherished presidential signature that's tucked away in a scrapbook or framed for all to see might never have passed under the president's hand.

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#1 Jun 26, 2011
Well that only makes it worth more. It's like a defective coin.

Now I realize President Clinton must have autopenned his signature on his response to me. Thought it was legit.
short trus micro bus

Ravenna, TX

#2 Jun 26, 2011
he one of da cambodian boat people , so iz oh-pree and madoonah
BOoo hiss

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#3 Jun 26, 2011
Obama birth certificate mug campaign jilting their followers, keeps campaign money, doesn't send product

youngdemoCat:

"Yes, that's right. I'm telling you not to donate to Obama's campaign. I donated to receive a product and they never delivered."

Obama making money off his fraud from the gullible young

Moichelle purposely wore an offensive blotchy red splattered dress with green grass colored spike heels and party like dangling earrings to the Medal of Honoree celebration. Obama continues to call the Marines "corpses" and purposely mistakens a live soldier honoree with the dead soldier honoree.

See http://www.punditandpundette.com/2009/09/what...

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#4 Jun 26, 2011
obama uses a different pen for each letter when he signs his name so he can sell the pens later or trade them for favors. what a sham politics is today.

“Radical solutions”

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#5 Jun 26, 2011
I was very disappointed that H.R. 514 was passed with such expediency. I was equally disappointed that the President did not physically sign the bill into law himself. Because he was out of the country at the time, according to Michael Shear of the New York Times,“With the existing terror-fighting authorities set to expire at midnight Thursday, the White House concluded that a mechanical signature would have to do.”
This decision by White House represents a unilateral action on the part of Presidential staff that apparently reckons itself to be immune from the binding foundation of our governmental operation as outlined by the United States Constitution.
Thus, it is my contention that the law is not valid because the President did not physically sign the bill himself. According to information relative to Constitutional authority,“If the President agrees substantially with the bill, he or she may sign it into law, and the bill is then printed in the Statutes at Large ( www.whitehouse.gov ).”
Because the President did not himself sign this bill into law, I contend that the law is constitutionally invalid.
Rico

Guatemala City, Guatemala

#6 Jun 26, 2011
Davenport For Congress wrote:
I was very disappointed that H.R. 514 was passed with such expediency. I was equally disappointed that the President did not physically sign the bill into law himself. Because he was out of the country at the time, according to Michael Shear of the New York Times,“With the existing terror-fighting authorities set to expire at midnight Thursday, the White House concluded that a mechanical signature would have to do.”
This decision by White House represents a unilateral action on the part of Presidential staff that apparently reckons itself to be immune from the binding foundation of our governmental operation as outlined by the United States Constitution.
Thus, it is my contention that the law is not valid because the President did not physically sign the bill himself. According to information relative to Constitutional authority,“If the President agrees substantially with the bill, he or she may sign it into law, and the bill is then printed in the Statutes at Large ( www.whitehouse.gov ).”
Because the President did not himself sign this bill into law, I contend that the law is constitutionally invalid.
Your so correct, BUT are you willing to challenge the system?
"As for Obama's autopen signature on the extension of Patriot Act powers, it 'MAY' pass the constitutional test, but not Koschal's.
"I'd pay peanuts for it," the autograph authenticator said. "It's not a real signature."
Therefore the 'MAY' pass the constitutional test is a moot issue, it does not 'PASS the test of the Constitution and the Contracting laws of this nation...
Obama knows perfectly well that the 'Simulation' is as worthless as his 'Signature'...According to 'Contract Law'...
When someone signs/endorses a document/letter/etc correctly, its called an 'Autograph' no two 'Autographs are the exact-same, which now is considered art-work and copyrightable...
The 'Auto-pen and Signature' are the same, these are 'Simulations' of an Autograph, not a binding/authorizing-means to in-act a document...
Only an 'Autograph' is binding...
An 'Autograph is written in upper and lower case, in block-letter-form, not 'Cursive'=the letters are tied together and leaning...
Look at paintings, other art-work 'Autographed by the artists', you won't find signatures, only autographs...
LOL

Tampa, FL

#7 Jun 26, 2011
everything about obama is fake, phony, bull$hit and lies.....all the way back to childhood.....

why would anyone think his signature would be real....
Deo Vindice

Sacramento, CA

#9 Jun 26, 2011
Everything about this pimp is fabricated.

“Radical solutions”

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#10 Jun 26, 2011
Rico wrote:
<quoted text>
Your so correct, BUT are you willing to challenge the system?
"As for Obama's autopen signature on the extension of Patriot Act powers, it 'MAY' pass the constitutional test, but not Koschal's.
"I'd pay peanuts for it," the autograph authenticator said. "It's not a real signature."
Therefore the 'MAY' pass the constitutional test is a moot issue, it does not 'PASS the test of the Constitution and the Contracting laws of this nation...
Obama knows perfectly well that the 'Simulation' is as worthless as his 'Signature'...According to 'Contract Law'...
When someone signs/endorses a document/letter/etc correctly, its called an 'Autograph' no two 'Autographs are the exact-same, which now is considered art-work and copyrightable...
The 'Auto-pen and Signature' are the same, these are 'Simulations' of an Autograph, not a binding/authorizing-means to in-act a document...
Only an 'Autograph' is binding...
An 'Autograph is written in upper and lower case, in block-letter-form, not 'Cursive'=the letters are tied together and leaning...
Look at paintings, other art-work 'Autographed by the artists', you won't find signatures, only autographs...
Yes, I am willing to challenge the system. I understand that the very nature of the system and its continued arrogance demands that the people that empower the system - we the people - stand up within the system and wrestle back the reigns of that system. We've tolerated political arrogance for eons of time. We've tolerated a Congress that cares little about the people that it represents, except during election season. We've tolerated an executive branch (not just the current administration) that reckons itself immune from the very laws that form the foundation of our nation. It is past time that someone stands up and challenges the validity of the system, empowered by the people that the system purports to represent. I'm up to the task and ready for the challenge.
TedsLiver

United States

#11 Jun 26, 2011
Obama's leadership style real? Or, auto stupid?

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#12 Jun 26, 2011
The autopen is a very useful tool at the President disposal, especially and specifically when he’s oversea and needs to sign important legislation. Although I am not a big fan of it, I think that it is necessary.

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#13 Jun 26, 2011
I Love Ohio 2010 wrote:
obama uses a different pen for each letter when he signs his name so he can sell the pens later or trade them for favors. what a sham politics is today.
I understand your thought processes but I do not agree. In fact, all presidents do the same thing, particularly when they're signing key legislation. The reason that Presidents use multiple pens is to give the pens to certain people that were key relative to developing various tenets of the bill or are key players in terms of who the bill will directly impact. Do you recall the famous picture of President Johnson signing the Civil Rights Act? One of the pens was given to Martin Luther King, Jr. I hope this information clears this matter up for you a little bit.

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#14 Jun 26, 2011
I am surprised Obama can even write his name.

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#15 Jun 26, 2011
LOL!!!

So THAT's how George W Bush "signed" documents...

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Since: Sep 08

Obama Nation! USA! USA!

#16 Jun 26, 2011
Did Reagan need to have his signature autopenned when "...the lights began to flicker..."?

DNF

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Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#17 Jun 26, 2011
Once again I think this is a distraction tactic. I can't believe that this president is the only one that ever did this.

But the topic bears discussion. It will be interesting to see if this goes to Court. I wonder how many laws will be thrown out if it turns out that previous Presidents and even past and present Congress people have done the same thing.

This may even be an issue in every State as well. As a gay man I'd love to see all those Constitutional Amendments about marriage go up in smoke over this.
PooPoo Platter

Lisle, IL

#18 Jun 26, 2011
Davenport For Congress wrote:
.....Because the President did not himself sign this bill into law, I contend that the law is constitutionally invalid.
With your "contention" and a roll of toilet paper, you're ready to take a dump...
Rico

Guatemala City, Guatemala

#19 Jun 26, 2011
Davenport For Congress wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I am willing to challenge the system. I understand that the very nature of the system and its continued arrogance demands that the people that empower the system - we the people - stand up within the system and wrestle back the reigns of that system. We've tolerated political arrogance for eons of time. We've tolerated a Congress that cares little about the people that it represents, except during election season. We've tolerated an executive branch (not just the current administration) that reckons itself immune from the very laws that form the foundation of our nation. It is past time that someone stands up and challenges the validity of the system, empowered by the people that the system purports to represent. I'm up to the task and ready for the challenge.
Good to see that you care enough to 'Question Authority', when your ready, just let me know, I can help you, I have been 'Challenging' my public servants for the past 18-years...

“Radical solutions”

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#20 Jun 26, 2011
Rico wrote:
<quoted text>
Good to see that you care enough to 'Question Authority', when your ready, just let me know, I can help you, I have been 'Challenging' my public servants for the past 18-years...
Thank you Rico... you can reach me at info@keithdavenport.us. Take care my friend.

Keith Davenport

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Since: Aug 09

21st Century

#21 Jun 26, 2011
Woof, Why would anyone be surprised his signatures are done by a machine. After all, his speeches are done by a machine.

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