Forcing us to be a dishonest nation

How many civil liberties must the government override and trample for our own good before we finally put our foot down? We are spied on by the Patriot Act, imprisoned for filming law enforcement, groped by the TSA, and now an Internet Blacklist Bill is quietly making its way through Congress. Full Story
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You Dumb Bitch

Los Angeles, CA

#1 Dec 12, 2010
"They made me do it", Wow...are you really gonna take it there? That is something a fucking 5 year old would say. Internet piracy is a big problem for a lot of people. If your paychecks were being constantly depleted by the illegal and immoral actions of the vast majority you'd be pretty pissed off too. The only thing that is "forcing you to be dishonest" is the inherent anonymity of the present day Internet, which will slowly but surely begin to disappear. Get ready for the Internet DMV. This is what happens when 1.96 Billion people somehow forget that stealing is wrong.

-Silicon Valley Is Gonna Burn-
Frankie P

Arcata, CA

#2 Dec 12, 2010
How long before they charge for using 'air'
How long before they charge us for the air we breathe?

Like a carbon tax maybe?oh wait....

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#3 Dec 13, 2010
It will only end when you take to the streets as during the Vietnam protest marches and "revolution" threats. Sorry, but there is nothing else you can do until you get your collective shit together and get nasty. I wish that I could offer another (less violent) way out but .......... there is none.

Your so-called democracy is now nothing but a Fascist coverup and is starting to resemble Stalin's Soviet Union more than an example of a western-based standard of democracy.

Get togehter - get organized - get tough!
Kris

Eureka, CA

#4 Dec 13, 2010
We don't live in a Democracy, we live in a republic...Anyway, we vote for these people. What they do, we are responsible for in a way. If you want to change it, vote the people in there out. We aren't spied on by the Patriot Act...unless your some kind of terrorist that is. I think it's a necessary evil and it keeps this country safe. As for internet piracy, it does exist and well, the government is there to help right? Lol. The government is looked upon to solve all our problems, didn't you know? If you have a substance abuse problem and can't hold a job...don't have a house? No problem, here is your check...oh, yeah, you can use this for anything you want, EVEN ALCOHOL OR DRUGS...because you can get CASH! Then the problems continue, and all at the tax payers expense. If you didn't know, tax payers also pay for the medical expenses of these low lives. You want to know why the country is in trouble, look at how much we spend on SSI checks. I am not saying there aren't legitimate uses for it, but come on. I wish everyone could work in a place where you see these bums come in by the droves when they get arrested a hundred times a month....most of those arrests right around the first of the month when they go hog wild at the convenient stores buying all their alcohol. We need to do something about that.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#5 Dec 13, 2010
This statement .......
Kris wrote:
We don't live in a Democracy,
And this one .....

Kris wrote:
we vote for these people. What they do, we are responsible for in a way. If you want to change it, vote the people in there out.
... are direct contraditions to one another, I'm afraid, Kris. And it is for this very reason that the American people are in such deep shit.

By telling its population that they have democratic process on their side - and (even more audacious!) that the U.S. is "the leader of the democratic world" - the American citizen is led to believe that his/her vote is important in chosing the leaders of your government. But as you've already understood, you "don't live in a Democracy". So the vote is more or less "meaningless" in that application. That is to say that you have very little choice in the actual outcome of the government, hence the dilemma that is the title of this thread, "Forcing to be a dishonest nation" based on lies, cover up, more lies, secret/classified information, more lies still. The fundamental advantage to "democracy" is that the government represent its citizens. In the U.S. as was in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Tyranic Soviet Union, etc.- is that the citizen is forced to support the government. I agree with the OP of this thread. "Forced" is the correct word
u r a retarded turd

Chino, CA

#6 Dec 13, 2010
Kris wrote:
We don't live in a Democracy, we live in a republic...Anyway, we vote for these people. What they do, we are responsible for in a way. If you want to change it, vote the people in there out. We aren't spied on by the Patriot Act...unless your some kind of terrorist that is. I think it's a necessary evil and it keeps this country safe. As for internet piracy, it does exist and well, the government is there to help right? Lol. The government is looked upon to solve all our problems, didn't you know? If you have a substance abuse problem and can't hold a job...don't have a house? No problem, here is your check...oh, yeah, you can use this for anything you want, EVEN ALCOHOL OR DRUGS...because you can get CASH! Then the problems continue, and all at the tax payers expense. If you didn't know, tax payers also pay for the medical expenses of these low lives. You want to know why the country is in trouble, look at how much we spend on SSI checks. I am not saying there aren't legitimate uses for it, but come on. I wish everyone could work in a place where you see these bums come in by the droves when they get arrested a hundred times a month....most of those arrests right around the first of the month when they go hog wild at the convenient stores buying all their alcohol. We need to do something about that.
guess you better start killing people less fortunate than you. yep, thats the compassionate answer. sewer brain.
Christine

AOL

#7 Dec 13, 2010
How about the State of California and 43 other states in the "land of the free" forever sealing the original (truthful) birth certificates of adopted children and replacing them with fictional "amended birth certificates" in which the child's original identity is changed along with who his/her biological parents are!!!!

Regular Joe Schmoe's like you and me serve HARD TIME IN FEDERAL PRISON for falsifying identity documents, but with government approval, they are done happily every day in vital records offices!!!!

Our government authors a lot of lies and then forcefully shoves them down our throats.
thad greenson

Chino, CA

#8 Dec 13, 2010
Christine wrote:
How about the State of California and 43 other states in the "land of the free" forever sealing the original (truthful) birth certificates of adopted children and replacing them with fictional "amended birth certificates" in which the child's original identity is changed along with who his/her biological parents are!!!!
Regular Joe Schmoe's like you and me serve HARD TIME IN FEDERAL PRISON for falsifying identity documents, but with government approval, they are done happily every day in vital records offices!!!!
Our government authors a lot of lies and then forcefully shoves them down our throats.
christine, you make a valid point. if the law is unjust, we should work to change the law. that being said, good luck with that. one of my sisters put her first born up for adoption, and watching the horror show that was both parties attempting to reunite was painful. however, the law looks as adoption as a complete severing of ties. to accomplish this end, draconian means are sometimes justified. just look at our wars of oppression i mean our wars of liberation...ooops ill shut up now...
thad greenson

Chino, CA

#9 Dec 13, 2010
Annie Muk wrote:
This statement .......
<quoted text>
And this one .....
<quoted text>
... are direct contraditions to one another, I'm afraid, Kris. And it is for this very reason that the American people are in such deep ****.
By telling its population that they have democratic process on their side - and (even more audacious!) that the U.S. is "the leader of the democratic world" - the American citizen is led to believe that his/her vote is important in chosing the leaders of your government. But as you've already understood, you "don't live in a Democracy". So the vote is more or less "meaningless" in that application. That is to say that you have very little choice in the actual outcome of the government, hence the dilemma that is the title of this thread, "Forcing to be a dishonest nation" based on lies, cover up, more lies, secret/classified information, more lies still. The fundamental advantage to "democracy" is that the government represent its citizens. In the U.S. as was in Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, Tyranic Soviet Union, etc.- is that the citizen is forced to support the government. I agree with the OP of this thread. "Forced" is the correct word
THE U. S. A. IS NOW THE LEADER OF THE FASCIST WORLD.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#10 Dec 13, 2010
thad greenson wrote:
<quoted text>THE U. S. A. IS NOW THE LEADER OF THE FASCIST WORLD.
When I read this I thought it was a joke, an exagerration - but now I'm not so sure.

I guess that North Korea and China are worse but if we were to rate Fascist countries today where would the U.S. come on that list? I think that it might be fairly safe to say that the U.S.A. is the Fascist leader of the "Western Countries" but I wonder how it would stack up against the Third World Countries? There can be no doubt that there are a large number of Third World countries that ARE NOT Fascist, so the U.S. is not in a very good position "World Wide", that's for sure.
344thBrother

United States

#11 Dec 13, 2010
Judge in Va. strikes down federal health care law (AP)
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com

AP - A federal judge declared the foundation of President Barack Obama's health care law unconstitutional Monday, ruling that the government cannot require Americans to purchase insurance. The case is expected to end up at the Supreme Court.

Gee ya think? Forcing people to purchase insurance under threat of the law? So Liberal!
344thBrother

United States

#12 Dec 13, 2010
Annie Muk wrote:
It will only end when you take to the streets as during the Vietnam protest marches and "revolution" threats. Sorry, but there is nothing else you can do until you get your collective **** together and get nasty. I wish that I could offer another (less violent) way out but .......... there is none.
Your so-called democracy is now nothing but a Fascist coverup and is starting to resemble Stalin's Soviet Union more than an example of a western-based standard of democracy.
Get togehter - get organized - get tough!
Annie watch out for new Patriot Act like fascist crap over the dreaded "Suicide bomber" that just screwed up in Sweden.

Check out the story that a member of the Swedish military was warning his friends to stay away from that street before the bombing... Psychic? Watch it come out that there was an "anti-terrorism drill" going on at the same time in the same area as the flubbed bombing. I'd put money on it.

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344thBrother

United States

#13 Dec 13, 2010
Agreed Elise:
The same problem is happening with the "Hate speech" laws. And people in here are going WAY out of their way to exercise their hateful lying slanderous speech against me for sure.

I really wish Topix would do their job and ban those hateful morons, but I do NOT support any federal or state law banning it because that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Shutting down the internet, or putting it under a czar, or making Obama the ultimate dictator of American internet ala the Lieberman model is just asinine and dangerous to the first amendment at a time when free speech is crucial to expose all the crimes going on everywhere.

good post
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ted dungy

Chino, CA

#14 Dec 13, 2010
344thBrother wrote:
Agreed Elise:
The same problem is happening with the "Hate speech" laws. And people in here are going WAY out of their way to exercise their hateful lying slanderous speech against me for sure.
I really wish Topix would do their job and ban those hateful morons, but I do NOT support any federal or state law banning it because that's throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Shutting down the internet, or putting it under a czar, or making Obama the ultimate dictator of American internet ala the Lieberman model is just asinine and dangerous to the first amendment at a time when free speech is crucial to expose all the crimes going on everywhere.
good post
d
i got some free speech for ya. you're an idiot. there.
ted dungy

Chino, CA

#15 Dec 13, 2010
Annie Muk wrote:
<quoted text>
When I read this I thought it was a joke, an exagerration - but now I'm not so sure.
I guess that North Korea and China are worse but if we were to rate Fascist countries today where would the U.S. come on that list? I think that it might be fairly safe to say that the U.S.A. is the Fascist leader of the "Western Countries" but I wonder how it would stack up against the Third World Countries? There can be no doubt that there are a large number of Third World countries that ARE NOT Fascist, so the U.S. is not in a very good position "World Wide", that's for sure.
well it really comes down to what definition of fascism you use. it is that simple, realy. fascism classically denotes an uncomfortably cozy relationship between business corporations and central government. obscureist want you to mistake fascism for socialism. us unedumicated amerkans make it rediculously easy for them, dont you think?
Bill R

Raymond, WA

#16 Dec 13, 2010
344thBrother wrote:
Judge in Va. strikes down federal health care law (AP)
http://us.lrd.yahoo.com
AP - A federal judge declared the foundation of President Barack Obama's health care law unconstitutional Monday, ruling that the government cannot require Americans to purchase insurance. The case is expected to end up at the Supreme Court.
Gee ya think? Forcing people to purchase insurance under threat of the law? So Liberal!
This part of Obamacare absolutely baffles me. If we didn't
know the story wouldn't you believe that such an idea could
only be hatched by the dreaded Republicans who serve the
corporate interests of the insurance industry? Instead it is
the product of self-proclaimed progressives who continuously
rail against the influence of corporations in Washington.

Wow ... from where I sit I wish that the government would
guarantee my business interests so thoroughly. Business people
in my industry would thank the government for assuring us of
success .... a guaranteed market in which ordinary citizens are,
under force of law, required to buy my product.

Think about it. The original tea party (ignore its current
popularity among some for the sake of illustration) was about
protesting the TAX on tea. Never mind the tax .... now we are
being required to buy TEA whether we want it or not.

God (I hope You are there) help us.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#17 Dec 13, 2010
344thBrother wrote:
<quoted text>
Annie watch out for new Patriot Act like fascist crap over the dreaded "Suicide bomber" that just screwed up in Sweden.
Check out the story that a member of the Swedish military was warning his friends to stay away from that street before the bombing... Psychic? Watch it come out that there was an "anti-terrorism drill" going on at the same time in the same area as the flubbed bombing. I'd put money on it.
p
d
I didn't know any of that, Brother, but ever since the murder of Olaf Palme I have been becoming more and more sceptical of our government - in particular as its' cooperation with the CIA is concerned. I would not be overly surpised to discover that you are COMPLETELY right.

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#18 Dec 13, 2010
ted dungy wrote:
<quoted text>well it really comes down to what definition of fascism you use. it is that simple, realy. fascism classically denotes an uncomfortably cozy relationship between business corporations and central government. obscureist want you to mistake fascism for socialism. us unedumicated amerkans make it rediculously easy for them, dont you think?
You are either a very smart and intuitive man, a mind reader - or both. This part in particular;
ted dungy wrote:
<quoted text> ... obscureist want you to mistake fascism for socialism. us unedumicated amerkans make it rediculously easy for them, dont you think?
ted dungy

Chino, CA

#19 Dec 14, 2010
Annie Muk wrote:
<quoted text>
You are either a very smart and intuitive man, a mind reader - or both. This part in particular;
<quoted text>
wow, im going shopping for a bigger hat. thanks for the compliment...

“HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”

Since: Dec 07

McKinleyville

#20 Dec 14, 2010
"Forcing Us"????

Response: more like greedy american people who don't give a rats arse or jack crud about anyone but themself because that is what America is all about now - self successes comparable no matter how! America is a "wanting nation", not a "needy nation". Hey, I am ok with greed as long as it is attained legally and without abuses gone wild over another person, entity or the environment.

Americans want jobs, but are those needed jobs appropriate; while Americans too need jobs, but do they want inappropriate jobs. Heck, if you are a former employee of someone else (non-entrepenuer) why work when the fascist pyramidal structured, 3 tiered government will print funny money and pass it out to the select power broker voter who will continue to vote for the free hand-out type of government officials and their job structure corporate modeled schemes.

Immigration has been bad too (the old historical immigration ideals are no longer for the same reasons) because look at the advanced political systems these immigrants come from in today's reality - as if they will actually convert 100% TO SELF-SUSTAINABILITY. Reality is that many immigrants are economically untrustworthy disciples of non-capitalist and non-free market nations who end-up eventually feeding off the taxpayer system for which is under subsidized by immigrants and over abused by the protectors of immigration. Immigration is a big personal subsidy scheme by the dualopolists, period. Afterall, when fascist types displace a human being, chances are that human being will never bend over backwards again for the individualist social rapists.

Diversity has also been a recognizeable horror show for America causing many of its problems. Of course though, immigration is touted by imperialistic pyramidal scheme types because flooding a geography with people creates chaos and demand. Pyramidal schemer types love demand predicated on chaoses.

Immigration ain't about race or free passage - it is about GREED, POWER and CONTROL through the less educated and lack of national understanding by the most recent and newest sub-set or sub-class of human beings now being played like a chess piece by the fascist fracks.

Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville - 5th District

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