Congress to Probe Improper FBI Spying

Congress wants to know how the FBI illegally or improperly gathered telephone, e-mail and financial records of Americans and foreigners while chasing terrorists. Full Story
Mr Bill

Bronx, NY

#1 Mar 20, 2007
This was completely forseeable. The FBI is unable to constrain itself when it is allowed to spy on Americans. They all, each and every agent; seem to forget all about freedom, and individual rights, and our American revultion to Big Brother.

I suggest that congress simply promulgate a law which makes each agent fully responsible for every action, even if following policy. If an agent is found to have illegally spied on his fellow citizens, no matter what the justification; that the agent be separated from all government payrolls for life, or from any entity which receives funding fron government, Federal or local; that his or her pension be forfeit, and that the agent be denied any professional licence for life.

This would be commensorate with their crime against our freedom, and Constitution.
Todd

Houston, TX

#2 Mar 20, 2007
Mr Bill wrote:
This was completely forseeable. The FBI is unable to constrain itself when it is allowed to spy on Americans. They all, each and every agent; seem to forget all about freedom, and individual rights, and our American revultion to Big Brother.
I suggest that congress simply promulgate a law which makes each agent fully responsible for every action, even if following policy. If an agent is found to have illegally spied on his fellow citizens, no matter what the justification; that the agent be separated from all government payrolls for life, or from any entity which receives funding fron government, Federal or local; that his or her pension be forfeit, and that the agent be denied any professional licence for life.
This would be commensorate with their crime against our freedom, and Constitution.
Would we even be having the conversation if the current checks and ballances did not work?

Since: Mar 07

DONIPHAN

#3 Mar 20, 2007
What would you do if this was your son?

This is in reference to Doniphan R-1 School Doniphan, Mo.

My son was falsely accused and suspended from school on February 16, 2007. A boy pulled a knife on him at school. When it came to the attention of those in charge the boy admitted he did it and was arrested. For several days afterwards my son was harrassed, both mentally and physically. He was subjected to a search of his body and clothes without a parent being present and by a female Mrs. Penny Fowler, he is only 15 years old. He was also told to sign papers that he academically could not understand (he has problems with reading, reading comprehension, etc) and he is again only 15 and did not have a parent present to explain what he was signing. He was told that if he did not sign the paper he would be suspended for a longer period of time, so he did what most children would do in that type of situation, he signed the paper.

I and my son went to the counselors office Mrs. Robinson where we were told that the letter was a mistake that we had recieved in the mail stating that Jesse was going to lose all academic credits if he did not return to school or have an excuse for his absents. I was then verbally attacked by the principal Gini Barnett without given the chance to defend myself..Mrs. Barnett stated that I put my son in further jepordy of being reffered to the Juvenille office for tresspassing when in fact that Mrs. Robinson gave us permission to be in her office.

I made several attempt to protect my son's rights and was told "it's the law" while doing so. I have been fired from my job as a bus driver for trying to defend my son and his rights by the Superintendant Kevin Sandlin and the reason I was given was "I heard you secretly recorded a conversation between you and another employee at the high school". Since this I have come to find out that none of the board members knew of his intentions that it was between Kevin Sandlin and Gini Barnett the decission was made.
Carl Aabye of Fargo

Fargo, ND

#4 Mar 20, 2007
The Fox says he doesn't need oversight to guard the hen house as he is quite attentive.To view cover of my next book(at the printer) Patriot Act---Gone Awry--please check my- myspace- and for a signed reasonable copy of Terrorists Among Us or my latest. carlaabye@yahoo.com
lance winslow

United States

#5 Mar 20, 2007
Some who swore to uphold the law, as set forth in the Constitution, uphold setting aside the Constitution.
Sandi

United States

#8 Mar 20, 2007
Same ole, "private unsworn ...." from the pres and his bunch..

Let light of day shine upon them and through them

sneeky cowards
Sandi

United States

#9 Mar 20, 2007
oops that thing above was for the president sayin he would not let any of his ..... give open sworn testimony...
Paranoid

AOL

#10 Mar 20, 2007
Same actions, different century....

Since: Dec 06

Fulton, NY

#11 Mar 20, 2007
Mr Bill wrote:
This was completely forseeable. The FBI is unable to constrain itself when it is allowed to spy on Americans. They all, each and every agent; seem to forget all about freedom, and individual rights, and our American revultion to Big Brother.
I suggest that congress simply promulgate a law which makes each agent fully responsible for every action, even if following policy. If an agent is found to have illegally spied on his fellow citizens, no matter what the justification; that the agent be separated from all government payrolls for life, or from any entity which receives funding fron government, Federal or local; that his or her pension be forfeit, and that the agent be denied any professional licence for life.
This would be commensorate with their crime against our freedom, and Constitution.
I agree with you Bill, but if an agent is following policy and committed a crime, wouldn't that suggest the policy itself maybe illegal.
Morons-R-US

Chandler, AZ

#12 Mar 20, 2007
I say repeal the Patriots Act. It is an abomination that takes away the rights of we, the people, and never should have been passed in the first place. Let King George and his minions operate under the Constitution and other laws as other President's have.
Jimmy Carter

Fargo, ND

#13 Mar 21, 2007
CNN and Lou Dobbs are full of it. Lou is full of it so is Jack Cafferty, Compliments of the honorable Michael Steele
Summary of pages 1-31 of Morton J. Horwitz’s:
The Transformation of American Law, 1780-1860
In the 18th century the common law judge worked to settle litigation between private individuals interest, Moreover, in the 18th century the common law would of granted the downstream mill owner compensation, if a defendant obstructed the flow of water of the downstream mill owner (the plaintiff). Moreover, the natural law was important in 1736 when thinking about the rule of ex post facto, which is laws passed after the occurrence of the conduct constituting a crime is not fair or natural in the natural occurrence of events. In 1767 Chief Justice Hutchinson points out that the law should be known and certain so that layman and the like could understand the law. Moreover, Chief Justice Hutchinson believed that the Law of England should be the rule and not the will of a Judge, because Hutchinson felt that the Judge should never be the legislature (common law rules were discovered; statutes were acts of will: they were created). In addition, the article mentions the Judiciary Act of 1789, which states that the Federal Supreme Court shall have power to issue writs of mandamus (we command), in cases warranted by the principles and usages of law, to any courts appointed, or persons holding office, under the authority of the United States. By 1805 the public ability to commercially compete was taken into consideration in the case of Palmer v. Mulligan, which decided according to Horwitz that “ the result of allowing the plaintiff to prevail would be that the public, whose advantage is always to be regarded, would be deprived of the benefit which always attends competition and rivalry… ancient rules are reconsidered from a functional or purposive perspective.” Horwitz wrote:
The nature of American institutions, whether economic, social or political, was largely to be determined by judges… The common law was the law of nature and its author…Since ‘Judges cannot make law’,
Carl Aabye

Fargo, ND

#14 Mar 21, 2007
I have known Mr. Carter and Mr. Steele for several years, and I must admit that it's hard to argue with people that are telling the honest to Gods truth, p.s. remember to get my up in coming book Patiot Act-- Gone Awry.
Mr Bill

Bronx, NY

#15 Mar 26, 2007
Todd wrote:
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Would we even be having the conversation if the current checks and ballances did not work?
Duh, they DID NOT work.
That's why the investigation.
Mr Bill

Bronx, NY

#16 Mar 26, 2007
Ezeddie wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you Bill, but if an agent is following policy and committed a crime, wouldn't that suggest the policy itself maybe illegal.
Ah, the Nuremburg defense.

Please review this, and then answer your own question:
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftri...
Just An Observer

Oscoda, MI

#17 Mar 29, 2007
Why don't they investigate the people that really have the most to hide----George Bush and his anti-American regime!?

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#18 Nov 1, 2011
The FBI is full of compromised agents, no secret in the intelligence arena.

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