FISA judge: no challenges to phone re...

FISA judge: no challenges to phone records orders

There are 7 comments on the WAFF-TV Huntsville story from Sep 17, 2013, titled FISA judge: no challenges to phone records orders. In it, WAFF-TV Huntsville reports that:

A newly declassified opinion from the government's secret surveillance court says no company that has received an order to turn over bulk telephone records has challenged the directive.

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Sterkfontein Swartkrans

Richmond, IN

#2 Sep 18, 2013
Secret courts?? What kind of country have we become! I would expect something like this in a dictatorship but somehow secret courts seem contrary to American principles!
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#3 Sep 18, 2013
The vast majority of these bulk collection scheme's seems to hinge on the ruling from from Smith vs. Maryland and third party doctrine. As soon as one of these companies choose to challenge that or congress puts limits on third party doctrine; these bulk collection spying scheme will be halted until new legal loopholes can be found.

This also shows that many of the companies who said they were not participating lied, but also when they said they challeged such order were also false. Looking at you Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, ect, ect ,ect.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#4 Sep 18, 2013
So, the secret FISA courts are declaring that no challenge has been issued? Perhaps they would have some credibility if they open their secret records to prove no challenge has been issued.
Lamer

Norwalk, OH

#5 Sep 18, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
So, the secret FISA courts are declaring that no challenge has been issued? Perhaps they would have some credibility if they open their secret records to prove no challenge has been issued.
They FISA court themselves do not get to decide what is/is not classified/secret. Those same companies could also show they challenged the ruling and still be within their legal rights to do so while not disclosing what the NSA letters force them to comply with. You would think they would want to show how much they value their clients privacy but they rather lie to you about it.

Also, you can thank Snowden for these recent declassification. They specifically mention him and his leaks in their report for doing so.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Sep 19, 2013
Lamer wrote:
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They FISA court themselves do not get to decide what is/is not classified/secret. Those same companies could also show they challenged the ruling and still be within their legal rights to do so while not disclosing what the NSA letters force them to comply with. You would think they would want to show how much they value their clients privacy but they rather lie to you about it.
Also, you can thank Snowden for these recent declassification. They specifically mention him and his leaks in their report for doing so.
We have a lot to thank Snowden for.

It may be the court ordered those corporations not to publicly discuss or they would be in contempt of court.
Lamer

Hopkins, MN

#7 Sep 19, 2013
Don Joe wrote:
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We have a lot to thank Snowden for.
It may be the court ordered those corporations not to publicly discuss or they would be in contempt of court.
Quite possibly, but those CEO who are part of the 1% of america, seems would be shield much better if they came out about this spying scandal than someone like a whistleblower (snowden). Even with all the whistleblower laws in place, there is no doubt in my mind that if someone like Maher from yahoo, Balhmer from M$, or whomever would get off much easy or all together if it was them who came out with this info.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#8 Sep 19, 2013
Lamer wrote:
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Quite possibly, but those CEO who are part of the 1% of america, seems would be shield much better if they came out about this spying scandal than someone like a whistleblower (snowden). Even with all the whistleblower laws in place, there is no doubt in my mind that if someone like Maher from yahoo, Balhmer from M$, or whomever would get off much easy or all together if it was them who came out with this info.
True enough. With all the whistle blower laws, it seems like the whistle blowers still get prison, while those they blew the whistle on, get more government aid.

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