Michigan Walgreens Pharmacist Jeremy Hoven Fired After Shooting at Robbers

May 28, 2011 Full story: Free Republic 32

In Benton Township, Michigan, two armed robbers wearing masks burst into a near-deserted Walgreens at 4:30 a.m. Drawing his own gun, he fired at the attackers and drove them off, saving not just himself but two Walgreens co-workers. By way of saying thanks, Walgreens fired him last week.

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A New CVS Customer

Red Hook, NY

#1 Jun 1, 2011
I think this speaks for itself. Unbelievable!!!
Geraldo

Houston, TX

#2 Jun 1, 2011
How is it unbelievable? Probably at least 90% of the large retail chains have the policy of no weapons in the work place. If this had happen at a CVS that same pharmacist would have been fired also. Fine, things out pretty good in this case but what about the next one?
Father of Five

United States

#4 Jun 3, 2011
Just the thought of me, my superiors, peers and subordinates having weapons scares me. Could you imagine if a disagreement on the promo isle broke out? In a perfect Walgreens world, weapons packing emplyees would be great. Suspect comes in gets shot, dies no problem. No weapons period is unfortunately the lesser of two evils.
Father of two

Hollywood, FL

#5 Jun 6, 2011
Hopefully you will not have the unfortunate experience of being in a store when some crininal decides to shoot you and your five children. If you are you'll be praying for someone like me, carrying a firearm, to save your sorry butt while you hide under the counter!
Father of Five wrote:
Just the thought of me, my superiors, peers and subordinates having weapons scares me. Could you imagine if a disagreement on the promo isle broke out? In a perfect Walgreens world, weapons packing emplyees would be great. Suspect comes in gets shot, dies no problem. No weapons period is unfortunately the lesser of two evils.
WagChk

Houston, TX

#6 Jun 6, 2011
Father of two wrote:
Hopefully you will not have the unfortunate experience of being in a store when some crininal decides to shoot you and your five children. If you are you'll be praying for someone like me, carrying a firearm, to save your sorry butt while you hide under the counter!
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Your 2 kids have an idiot as a father.
BillySh

Houston, TX

#7 Jun 6, 2011
Father of two wrote:
Hopefully you will not have the unfortunate experience of being in a store when some crininal decides to shoot you and your five children. If you are you'll be praying for someone like me, carrying a firearm, to save your sorry butt while you hide under the counter!
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Who would have known Barney Fife would have fathered two kids.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#8 Jun 6, 2011
Father of Five wrote:
Just the thought of me, my superiors, peers and subordinates having weapons scares me. Could you imagine if a disagreement on the promo isle broke out? In a perfect Walgreens world, weapons packing emplyees would be great. Suspect comes in gets shot, dies no problem. No weapons period is unfortunately the lesser of two evils.
The company is just playing the statistics. Most of the time, the criminal will take the money and leave. Yes, you can get killed on the job, it's part of the risk working retail. Take it or leave it.

I don't condone Mr. Hoven's behavior, but I understand it. If he would have shot someone in the promo aisle over a price discrepancy, then yes, he should be fired, jailed and IMO given the death penalty. But he was acting in self defense, suspend him for a month without pay.

If the company gave a crap about you or the staff, the would budget in an armed, and fully trained guard. And not no old man with mace either.

Just my opinion
Geraldo

Houston, TX

#9 Jun 6, 2011
wagexa wrote:
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The company is just playing the statistics. Most of the time, the criminal will take the money and leave. Yes, you can get killed on the job, it's part of the risk working retail. Take it or leave it.
I don't condone Mr. Hoven's behavior, but I understand it. If he would have shot someone in the promo aisle over a price discrepancy, then yes, he should be fired, jailed and IMO given the death penalty. But he was acting in self defense, suspend him for a month without pay.
If the company gave a crap about you or the staff, the would budget in an armed, and fully trained guard. And not no old man with mace either.
Just my opinion
You are so correct. The company is playing the percentages not only on the lives of their employees but (maybe more importantly to them - who knows) the liability involved if something goes really wrong with the employees playing "hero". The entire concept for managers, as far as corporate is concerned, is to deescalate a bad situation.
Diane

Tucson, AZ

#10 Jun 7, 2011
I live in Arizona. Wonder how many pharmacists pack here?
WagCPhT

Canton, MI

#11 Jun 24, 2011
I bet the Pharmacist in the Haven Pharmacy wished he had a gun before the junkie killed him and 3 others last week in Long Island.
Geraldo

United States

#12 Jun 24, 2011
WagCPhT wrote:
I bet the Pharmacist in the Haven Pharmacy wished he had a gun before the junkie killed him and 3 others last week in Long Island.
It wouldn't have helped. The suspect spoke very calmly to the pharmacist and then WITHOUT WARNING shot and killed the pharmacist and the 17 year old clerk.
wag wench

AOL

#13 Jun 24, 2011
I was sick about the case in Long Island. Such a waste of life.How a person acts under fear, panic or duress -nothing ever goes to plan when this happens.People may cite stats,profile and use methods created on paper about how to react- But when in the direct face of murder- there is more to it than stop-drop and roll..
Greg

Coppell, TX

#14 Jul 22, 2011
Obviously no one here has all of the details. The workers at that store were complaining about security issues, which Walgreens management ignored. The pharmacist obtained a concealed handgun license, and decided to arm himself to protect his life.
Does anyone know exactly what went down at this store? Everyone was herded at gun point to the back of the store. By law, when someone asks you to move at gunpoint, it is classified as kidnapping, which is a very serious federal offense, and a serious infringement on our rights of freedom and happiness. As soon as someone points a gun at you, your life is being threatened. The nature of the robbery was very aggressive and violent, if anyone looked into the details. Know how to prevent criminals from these acts? Ask a convicted criminal what he fears most, and the answer is an armed victim that will shoot back. If Walgreens made it public that their pharmacists are armed, robbers would avoid these stores and target CVS instead. Criminals only target what is easy prey, and an easy score.
Ask a criminal if he were working in the pharmacist's shoes what he would do, and he would say that he would be armed to protect himself as well from criminals like himself, except he would not wait for a concealed license, and it would most likely be a stolen weapon with its serial numbers scratched off.
Father of fivegunpacker

La Porte, IN

#15 Sep 13, 2011
This would have turned into another Browns Chicken Massacure if not for Jeremy Hoven... After all the robber pulled the trigger 3 times trying to shoot him...
Father of fivegunpacker

La Porte, IN

#16 Sep 13, 2011
We don't need another Browns Chicken Massacre...What we need is more citizens packin' to secure our everyones safety..
gnn

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#17 Sep 13, 2011
He did what he felt he needed to do at the time he thought his life and someone else was in danger.But walgreens is going to follow the rules they have set up for us.I do not know what I would of done if I was in his position but without a gun.I do try to think of differant ways of reacting to keep me and my coworkers safe ahead of time by watching walgreen robbery videos on the internet.
mafirearmsafety

Plymouth, MA

#19 Sep 13, 2011
I was watching Fox news when an interesting/disturbing story came on concerning an employee of Walgreen’s, or I should say ex employee. The ex employee is Mr. J. Hoven. Mr. Hoven was thrust into a very scary position when two criminals attempted to rob and murder people in the Walgreen store where he was a pharmacist.
Walgreen’s fired Mr. Hoven for defending his own life and the lives of others. Walgreen’s claimed Mr. Hoven did not follow co. policy pertaining to just being a good little victim, as it turns out the video shows the criminal trying to gun down Mr. Hoven prior to Mr. Hoven responding and shooting back with his legal licensed handgun. The criminals gun malfunctioned…….thank God.
According to this story, Walgreen’s refuses to produce their so-called policy on employees and how they are ‘trained’ to respond to a robbery. Why is it that you will not produce this policy for Mr. Hoven’s attorney? Is it because it does not exist?
Whether or not such a policy exists is really not very relevant to this story, Mr. Hoven’s a hero, is an American citizen, has a God given right to self defense, backed up also by the Second Amendment. No company supersedes either. Whom ever wrote such an ass backward policy endangering employees lives at Walgreen’s is a completely clueless moron, hidden within the safety of corporate headquarters, far removed from the ‘front’ lines.
Rest assured I will not darken the doorway of another Walgreen’s until you wake up and put the lives of your employees before your ‘bottom line’, and I will do my best through my blog to spread the word. Change your foolish/dangerous policy and allow employees whom are legally licensed to carry a handgun, do so at work, without fear of being helplessly murdered due to asinine policy makers/lawyers at Walgreen’s.
Walgreen’s has been in the news in the not to distant past for firing others who refused to be good little victims, this is a very bad company policy,(if it really exists), very criminal friendly, endangering all of the employees. Lets not go there, until Walgreen’s publicly change their attitude toward their employees. Every retail company should smarten up on this issue, and if they did robbery in these stores would go way down and the chance of survival would go up for employees.
Mark Shean
Scott

Louisville, KY

#20 Sep 13, 2011
If he did not have his gun, Walgreens would have a dead pharmacist on thier hands. He is getting punished for protecting himself. Im so sick of the ones commiting the crimes seem to have more rights than law abiding citizens. Ive been a customer of Walgreens for decades...No more.
Sheik Yerbouti

Doylestown, PA

#21 Sep 17, 2011
The pharmacist was put in a life threatening position through no fault of his own. Its too bad his aim wasn't better! It seems that criminals have more rights than those who have to defend themselves against them. The pharmacist should get his job back!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#22 Sep 17, 2011
Makes you wonder if the store needs to get an "In case of Emergency, Break Glass" with a gun inside.

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