Marines Fight to Keep Camp Pendleton Crosses

Apr 12, 2012 Full story: Fox News 40

Planted atop a remote hill in the middle of California's Camp Pendleton Marine Corps Base rest two 13-foot crosses.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1 Apr 12, 2012
Crosses gotta come down.

If it wasn't meant to be a religious memorial as they claimed, then they wouldn't have used the symbol of christianity. Or are they now claiming the cross isn't representative of christianity?

If they want a war memorial, fine- put up a flag pole or whatever. But as long as it's on government property, they can't promote christianity over other religions.
Rattle Kattle

Debary, FL

#2 Apr 12, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Crosses gotta come down.
If it wasn't meant to be a religious memorial as they claimed, then they wouldn't have used the symbol of christianity. Or are they now claiming the cross isn't representative of christianity?
If they want a war memorial, fine- put up a flag pole or whatever. But as long as it's on government property, they can't promote christianity over other religions.
Christianity is the most vicious bloody religion on planet earth

A match for our scum in uniform
RAY SMITH USA RET

Spokane, WA

#3 Apr 12, 2012
THOSE CROSSES MEAN ALOT TO THE MARINES HONORING THEIR FAMILY, ALL MILLTARY ARE FAMILY, AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT US UNTIL THEY NEED US, AND THEN THEY WATCH US SO THAT WE DON'T HURT ANY OF THE ENEMY FEELINGS. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THOSE CROSSES ARE THERE.
"GOD BLESS THE MARINES AND AMERICA"
RAY SMITH
SSG,USA RET
VIETNAM COMBAT VET.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#4 Apr 12, 2012
RAY SMITH USA RET wrote:
THOSE CROSSES MEAN ALOT TO THE MARINES HONORING THEIR FAMILY, ALL MILLTARY ARE FAMILY, AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT US UNTIL THEY NEED US, AND THEN THEY WATCH US SO THAT WE DON'T HURT ANY OF THE ENEMY FEELINGS. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THOSE CROSSES ARE THERE.
"GOD BLESS THE MARINES AND AMERICA"
RAY SMITH
SSG,USA RET
VIETNAM COMBAT VET.
Nope. The crosses should come down, or allow others to put up something for the Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, Athiest, etc. The govt isn't allowed to show favortism to just christianity.

REAL Marines know that.
RAY SMITH USA RET

Spokane, WA

#5 Apr 12, 2012
You must be one of those good for nothing muslims, an if anyone is scum take alook in the mirror thats scum. now you can go back to where you came from, and islam is the most vicious bloody religion on planet earth.
GOLDENRULE

Saint Cloud, MN

#6 Apr 12, 2012
RAY SMITH USA RET wrote:
THOSE CROSSES MEAN ALOT TO THE MARINES HONORING THEIR FAMILY, ALL MILLTARY ARE FAMILY, AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT US UNTIL THEY NEED US, AND THEN THEY WATCH US SO THAT WE DON'T HURT ANY OF THE ENEMY FEELINGS. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THOSE CROSSES ARE THERE.
"GOD BLESS THE MARINES AND AMERICA"
RAY SMITH
SSG,USA RET
VIETNAM COMBAT VET.
I AGREE, BUT WILL SAY PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT OUR MILTARY. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T OR WON'T UNDERSTAND A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW, USUALLY THE ONES WHO WANT OTHERS TO TOLERATE THEM ARE THE ONES THEMSELVES WHO REFUSE TO TOLERATE OTHERS. THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THEIR OWN ADVICE- IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T LOOK AT IT

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#7 Apr 13, 2012
RAY SMITH USA RET wrote:
You must be one of those good for nothing muslims, an if anyone is scum take alook in the mirror thats scum. now you can go back to where you came from, and islam is the most vicious bloody religion on planet earth.
You'd be wrong- I'm sure that's not the first time for you.

I'm actually an athiest who was raised catholic. I realized ALL religion was nothing more than fairytales when I was about 10 y/o.

So you don't respect your fellow Marines who happen to be Muslim? Why doesn't that suprise me. You probably don't think blacks or asians or hispanics or women aren't "real" Marines either.

The crosses need to come down because they violate the US constitution.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#8 Apr 13, 2012
GOLDENRULE wrote:
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I AGREE, BUT WILL SAY PEOPLE DO CARE ABOUT OUR MILTARY. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T OR WON'T UNDERSTAND A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW, USUALLY THE ONES WHO WANT OTHERS TO TOLERATE THEM ARE THE ONES THEMSELVES WHO REFUSE TO TOLERATE OTHERS. THEY SHOULD FOLLOW THEIR OWN ADVICE- IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T LOOK AT IT
This has nothing to do with "tolerating" christianity, but rather an inappropiate PROMOTION of christianity over other religions on government property.

They can have whatever memorial they want, but it can't promote just one religious view. Would you be as supportive if they displayed only the muslim Crescent? Or only the jewish Star of David?
Rattle Kattle

Debary, FL

#9 Apr 13, 2012
RAY SMITH USA RET wrote:
THOSE CROSSES MEAN ALOT TO THE MARINES HONORING THEIR FAMILY, ALL MILLTARY ARE FAMILY, AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT US UNTIL THEY NEED US, AND THEN THEY WATCH US SO THAT WE DON'T HURT ANY OF THE ENEMY FEELINGS. YOU SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THOSE CROSSES ARE THERE.
"GOD BLESS THE MARINES AND AMERICA"
RAY SMITH
SSG,USA RET
VIETNAM COMBAT VET.
The USA got its ugly face slapped in Vietnam the troops were pawns then and still are

The LAST nation on planet earth that any so called GOD would bless is the USA.

The USA is a sick violent nation of arrogant bombers

The Vietnamese people had guts and character....americans had dumb kids with one year tours of duty.

Marines are government thugs there is nothing christian about thugs or the USA

GOLDENRULE

Saint Cloud, MN

#10 Apr 13, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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This has nothing to do with "tolerating" christianity, but rather an inappropiate PROMOTION of christianity over other religions on government property.
They can have whatever memorial they want, but it can't promote just one religious view. Would you be as supportive if they displayed only the muslim Crescent? Or only the jewish Star of David?
So instead of taking them down, why not just invite others to add their own symbols to it? Why do issues have to be one extreme or the other, has no one heard of compromise? This modern day world is full of bullies who go looking for a fight rather than try working it out. As a society, what are we teaching our youth? To directly answer your last question, yes I would be supportive.
Rattle Kattle

Debary, FL

#11 Apr 13, 2012
GOLDENRULE wrote:
<quoted text>
So instead of taking them down, why not just invite others to add their own symbols to it? Why do issues have to be one extreme or the other, has no one heard of compromise? This modern day world is full of bullies who go looking for a fight rather than try working it out. As a society, what are we teaching our youth? To directly answer your last question, yes I would be supportive.
Religion is a form of politics.....not one religion has ever proved anything. Our Marines urinate on corpses in Afghaistan then claim to be christians...our Marines are filth, their symbol should be urine. Dead Marines....oh well...urinate on their faces and lives and memories for all I care.

Since: Jun 11

Jacksonville,NC

#12 Apr 13, 2012
Rattle Kattle wrote:
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Christianity is the most vicious bloody religion on planet earth
A match for our scum in uniform
The only scum here is you and your trailer trash mouth . you fcuking coward.
Bringmedinner

San Jose, CA

#13 Apr 13, 2012
Since it is atheists challenging the display of crosses, which are only expressions of respect and hope for those lost in honor, pacify their measly souls, which they don't recognize, by allowing them to put up a statue of a worm and wormwood to signify everything they represent and the lack of respect they offer for honor and dignity themselves.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#14 Apr 13, 2012
GOLDENRULE wrote:
<quoted text>
So instead of taking them down, why not just invite others to add their own symbols to it? Why do issues have to be one extreme or the other, has no one heard of compromise? This modern day world is full of bullies who go looking for a fight rather than try working it out. As a society, what are we teaching our youth? To directly answer your last question, yes I would be supportive.
I can live with that, but judging from the responses of other who support the crosses, it doesn't sound like they'd ever accept that type of compromise.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Apr 13, 2012
Bringmedinner wrote:
Since it is atheists challenging the display of crosses, which are only expressions of respect and hope for those lost in honor, pacify their measly souls, which they don't recognize, by allowing them to put up a statue of a worm and wormwood to signify everything they represent and the lack of respect they offer for honor and dignity themselves.
On that you are wrong.

Crosses are symbols of christianity- PERIOD.

If they wanted ot express respect & hope, they wouldn't have put up a symbol of a religion which teaches discrimination & hatred.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#16 Apr 13, 2012
Why don't you big talking liberal weinies go and try taking the crosses down yourselves and let the Marines know you're coming. You are the type of worthless chaff that would spit in arlington cemetery or demand the crosses be removed from Normandy, Iwo Jima etc. Just cause no one would ever care to mark your courageous passing in combat doesn't mean you speak for the majority. Wastes of good oxygen you are.

“Voters elect Big Bird”

Since: Jan 07

Dump American Eagle

#17 Apr 13, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. The crosses should come down, or allow others to put up something for the Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Wiccan, Athiest, etc. The govt isn't allowed to show favortism to just christianity.
REAL Marines know that.
Don't like the crosses? Easy,DON'T GO THERE. It seems atheists are bound and determined to prevent CHRISTIANS from practicing their chosen religion. Hey I got an idea.... Go to a Mosque and tell the Muslims THEY can't pray. Yeah,thats a plan. But....but.... Atheists don't have the balz for that.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#18 Apr 13, 2012
lolol wrote:
Why don't you big talking liberal weinies go and try taking the crosses down yourselves and let the Marines know you're coming. You are the type of worthless chaff that would spit in arlington cemetery or demand the crosses be removed from Normandy, Iwo Jima etc. Just cause no one would ever care to mark your courageous passing in combat doesn't mean you speak for the majority. Wastes of good oxygen you are.
Unconstitutional is unconstitutional, regardless of what the majority may think.

The crosses gotta go.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#19 Apr 13, 2012
lolol wrote:
Why don't you big talking liberal weinies go and try taking the crosses down yourselves and let the Marines know you're coming. You are the type of worthless chaff that would spit in arlington cemetery or demand the crosses be removed from Normandy, Iwo Jima etc. Just cause no one would ever care to mark your courageous passing in combat doesn't mean you speak for the majority. Wastes of good oxygen you are.
Btw, the cowardly Marines that put up the crosses never got permission from the base Commander in the first place, probably because they knew it would never be granted.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#20 Apr 13, 2012
okimar wrote:
<quoted text>Don't like the crosses? Easy,DON'T GO THERE. It seems atheists are bound and determined to prevent CHRISTIANS from practicing their chosen religion. Hey I got an idea.... Go to a Mosque and tell the Muslims THEY can't pray. Yeah,thats a plan. But....but.... Atheists don't have the balz for that.
Nope, we'll just force them to take the crosses down instead. It's on govt owned land. No one is preventing christians from practicing their fairytale religion. The govt isn't allowed to promote one fairytale over another.

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