Ice-Free Arctic Is "Uncharted Territory"

Sep 21, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Common Dreams

Summer ice this year is half what it was 30 years ago and is now affecting weather patterns.

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LessHypeMoreFact

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It is to be noted that, now that we have gone below 3.5 M km*km the arctic ocean is pretty much 'open' now. That is, even the Northern northwest passage is ice free and the ocean is pretty much free to traffic and development. The further decline will do nothing much except reduce the area of 'remnant ice'.
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The ice reduction is due to greater energy output from the sun. That, and all the hot air from bloviating, flatulent liberals whining on and on about green energy.

Don't forget about climategate - thousands of emails from liberal climatotlogists directing the fraud that is global warming. It was so bad, the radical liberals had to change the name to "climate change."
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Crooked Liberal Media wrote:
The ice reduction is due to greater energy output from the sun.
Lie. We have records of the solar constant and it has not changed more than .1% while this decline went on. That can account for no more than a change in temperature of 0.2C and by no means represents the 4C or more warming in the arctic region that caused this collapse.
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That, and all the hot air from bloviating, flatulent liberals whining on and on about green energy.
Come on, tell us what you really think.. if you can..
Crooked Liberal Media wrote:
Don't forget about climategate - thousands of emails from liberal climatotlogists directing the fraud that is global warming. It was so bad, the radical liberals had to change the name to "climate change."
Despite the illegal theft of private correspondence not meant for public reading (they don't understand the terminiology or the background) no scientific error or distortion was uncovered. In fact, all investigations by the scientific authoritied just confirmed the validity of the science.

Obviously you only read fossil fool funded propaganda.

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Lie. We have records of the solar constant and it has not changed more than .1% while this decline went on. That can account for no more than a change in temperature of 0.2C and by no means represents the 4C or more warming in the arctic region that caused this collapse.
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Come on, tell us what you really think.. if you can..
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Despite the illegal theft of private correspondence not meant for public reading (they don't understand the terminiology or the background) no scientific error or distortion was uncovered. In fact, all investigations by the scientific authoritied just confirmed the validity of the science.
Obviously you only read fossil fool funded propaganda.
MAN-BEAR-PIG has spoken. Calling Al Gore
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MAN-BEAR-PIG has spoken.
'eighth grader' speaks with his sub-sub-kindergarten comprehension of his minimal education.
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You forgot to mention that Antarctic sea ice is at record high level.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...

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nonPolar wrote:
You forgot to mention that Antarctic sea ice is at record high level.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
<sarcasm>He was certainly right about the Arctic, wasn't he?</sarcasm>
Summer ice in the Arctic Ocean continues to rebound from the abnormally low 2007 season, when a shift in regional wind patterns sent much of the sea ice south into the North Atlantic Ocean.

As this year’s summer ice approached its annual September minimum, satellite photographs revealed more ice in 2009 than in 2008, which in turn retained more ice than 2007.

After the 2007 summer ice season, alarmists proclaimed the beginning of the end for Arctic sea ice and predicted an ice-free North Pole in 2008 or 2009. But summer ice coverage in 2008 and 2009 have confirmed the low sea ice coverage in 2007 was an abnormality, rather than the first act in a new summer ice-melt regime.
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2...

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...the alarmists are now claiming their failed North Pole predictions were essentially accurate, but merely a few years off regarding the timetable. They now claim the Arctic Ocean will be essentially ice free by the year 2020 or 2030. Don’t bet on it.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/...

Arctic ice sets record low in a not-particularly-warm summer.

Another example of Taylor being wrong, and the more extreme of scientific guesses as to when the Arctic sea ice will disappear actually being closer to the truth than the consensus estimate of 2020 to 2030.

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If the current rate of Arctic sea ice continues, Taylor is likely to become an AGW believer:
“The Arctic ice is disappearing faster than was predicted. And instead of waiting until 2030 or whenever it was to have an ice-free Arctic, we’re going to have one in five or 10 years.”

Before we even address Kerry’s ice-free prediction, let’s examine his prior assertion.“The Arctic ice is disappearing faster than was predicted,” claimed Kerry. Really? According to NASA satellite data, Arctic sea ice has grown by 25 percent since 2007.

Regarding Kerry’s prediction that the Arctic will be ice-free in five or 10 years, we finally have an alarmist prediction that lends itself to verification. John Kerry, here is a wager that I propose:

If the Arctic is ice-free at any time during the next five or 10 years, I will change my tune and become an ardent global warming alarmist. I will do everything in my power to influence public opinion that global warming is an imminent crisis.
http://heartland.org/policy-documents/taylor-...

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AGW realists of course always said that the increase in sea ice extent in the Arctic post 2007 was an anomaly, that the underlying trend was a decrease, and that we would see a new record low in a few years.

They were proved right and Taylor was proved wrong.

Now AGW realists are saying that the increase in Antarctic sea ice is an anomaly as the Antarctic is observably warming and land ice is melting, that the underlying trend is ice loss, and that we will see a reversal in the sea ice increase in a few years.

Whether or not that is enough for people to think that they have been suckered once too often by Taylor is another question.
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'eighth grader' speaks with his sub-sub-kindergarten comprehension of his minimal education.
Is it spreading? We have the dirtling and the Less than a Box of Rocks now the 'eight grader'?
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Liberal climatotlogists were caught lying and instructing others to fudge numbers in order to create a fictional problem. It was climategate and the people haven't forgotten the widespread fraud.

I can't believe that some liberals on this forum would try to defend the emails by claiming that the emails were private.
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The real motivation for the liberals to perpetuate the global warming fraud is simple. They wish to destroy global capitalism and the head of the snake - the usa. To achieve this outcome, the liberals (socialists, communists, one world government advocates) have to first deprive the fuel that drives the capitalist engine - oil.

Climategate has long since shown us that the liberals will do and say anything to achieve their goal. It is nothing less than yet another attempt by yet another radical group, at world domination. Who else would come up with a system like "carbon credits?" of course, the liberals are in charge of doling out the credits!
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conservative libel sap wrote:
They wish to destroy global capitalism and the head of the snake - the usa. To achieve this outcome, the liberals.....
Fear & lie all your life & you construct fear & lies all your life.
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Is it spreading? We have the dirtling and the Less than a Box of Rocks now the 'eight grader'?
You must include, the slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig & alleged or proud threatener 'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver'.
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Crooked Liberal Media wrote:
The real motivation for the liberals to perpetuate the global warming fraud is simple. They wish to destroy global capitalism and the head of the snake - the usa. To achieve this outcome, the liberals (socialists, communists, one world government advocates) have to first deprive the fuel that drives the capitalist engine - oil.
Climategate has long since shown us that the liberals will do and say anything to achieve their goal. It is nothing less than yet another attempt by yet another radical group, at world domination. Who else would come up with a system like "carbon credits?" of course, the liberals are in charge of doling out the credits!
Great post. It's all true.

The radical leftists are trying to destroy global capitalism and replace it with a one world, socialistic government (the United Nations). This is why Obama has been quietly signing onto "international laws" that subjugate American sovereignty over issues such as gun ownership, energy production, private property rights, etc.

They get caught lying through the yellow teeth, and repeatedly pretend that "it never happened." As if they think the "peasants" are stupid.

Even their propoganda is poorly cloaked. Television shows present their agenda as if it were factual and a given. The radical, insanity of their agenda is present even in entertainment shows.

Take their "world without people" show for example. What kind of sick liberal loon would fantasize about a world without people? The radical global leftists dream of a world without people to spoil the environment...and without religion (because they atheists)...which is why the show repeatedly depicts the destruction of religious monuments (especially Christian). They hate God, and want to undermine faith by imagining the decay of God him or her self. Sick, lunatic liberal commies!
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Great post. It's all true.
The radical leftists are trying to destroy global capitalism and replace it with a one world, socialistic government (the United Nations). This is why Obama has been quietly signing onto "international laws" that subjugate American sovereignty over issues such as gun ownership, energy production, private property rights, etc.
They get caught lying through the yellow teeth, and repeatedly pretend that "it never happened." As if they think the "peasants" are stupid.
Even their propoganda is poorly cloaked. Television shows present their agenda as if it were factual and a given. The radical, insanity of their agenda is present even in entertainment shows.
Take their "world without people" show for example. What kind of sick liberal loon would fantasize about a world without people? The radical global leftists dream of a world without people to spoil the environment...and without religion (because they atheists)...which is why the show repeatedly depicts the destruction of religious monuments (especially Christian). They hate God, and want to undermine faith by imagining the decay of God him or her self. Sick, lunatic liberal commies!
Goodness. 97% of the world's climatologists "hate God" while "lying through the yellow teeth"? Sounds awful. Let's get right on that and forget about the record disappearance of Arctic ice.
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Goodness. 97% of the world's climatologists "hate God" while "lying through their yellow teeth"? Sounds awful. Let's get right on that and forget about the record disappearance of Arctic ice.
It's all bs. The radical liberal climatologists have no clothes. The world has not forgotten their blatent lying fradulent attempts to decieve the people into buying solar panels.
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It's all bs. The radical liberal climatologists have no clothes. The world has not forgotten their blatent lying fradulent attempts to decieve the people into buying solar panels.
Oh, so you fell for your brother-in-law's solar scheme to capture the sun's energy with laundry on a clothesline?

Did you buy the ShamWow and the Magic Healing Crystal as well? You should be more careful about whom you trust:

http://gawker.com/5187540/shamwow-guy-beats-u...
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nonPolar wrote:
You forgot to mention that Antarctic sea ice is at record high level.
No, I didn't. But, AGW science predicted Antarctic sea ice increases in 2002, confirmed in 2005 & often toxic topix AGW deniers historically twist science, long after AGW science came true.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/ ...
toxic topix AGW denier ideas were history because they never were science.
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You will read this, but you will still post that Antarctic sea ice is increasing & say that AGW is disproved.

Yeah, you ain't know scientist, never could be a scientist, got D's in your jr. hi skul science classes & never took upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc in your hi skul classes.

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