Mitt Romney's Faustian Bargain

Mitt Romney's Faustian Bargain

There are 42 comments on the OpEdNews story from Oct 2, 2012, titled Mitt Romney's Faustian Bargain. In it, OpEdNews reports that:

The story is told of a feudal land baron who proffered a challenge to three of his overseers: whichever one gave the best answer to three questions would have a job for life; the other two would be fired at the end of the month.

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SpaceBlues

United States

#1 Oct 2, 2012
Gosh.. "there was a time not so terribly long ago when Romney -- like 99.9% of his Crimson (Harvard) classmates -- agreed with all the scientists who concluded that global warming was real, mostly man-made," and catastrophic ahead.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#2 Oct 2, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Gosh.. "there was a time not so terribly long ago when Romney -- like 99.9% of his Crimson (Harvard) classmates -- agreed with all the scientists who concluded that global warming was real, mostly man-made," and catastrophic ahead.
That was before Romney heard that his easiest route to the Presidency was to rile up old white teabaggers in swing districts of swing states, meaning populous carbon-dependent places like Southern Ohio, Western Virginia, parts of Colorado and so on.
SpaceBlues

United States

#3 Oct 3, 2012
Northie wrote:
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That was before Romney heard that his easiest route to the Presidency was to rile up old white teabaggers in swing districts of swing states, meaning populous carbon-dependent places like Southern Ohio, Western Virginia, parts of Colorado and so on.
We'll see the fun debate tonight.

A lot of money has been spent just to get to this point. I was surprised when the UK's PM said last week he spent $175,000 in his campaign. A little money goes a long way there because tv ads are not allowed.
AMPAD

Fletcher, OH

#4 Oct 3, 2012
Romney is such a w*ore. He'll do anything and say anything to fulfill his ambitions. The man is a vampire and a shameless opportunist.

He's the kind of guy that sleeps with your wife in your home and expects you to thank him for it.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#5 Oct 3, 2012
Romney watched the climate mitigator, Senator McCain lose in 2008.

Even if Romney believed politicians could stop catastrophic man made global warming, he couldn't beat Obama's "when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal".

Besides, there's no experimental tests that show government can do diddly squat to mitigate climate change. Why not just call it a hoax and be done with climate demagoguery?
Northie

Spokane, WA

#6 Oct 3, 2012
Great article here on Romney's gigantic switcheroo on energy and climate in order to court the oil industry and anti-science wingnuts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/us/politics...

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#7 Oct 3, 2012
I don't care about motives as much as I care about good policy. If Romney/Ryan support an energy policy that encourages the production and use of energy and fuel, I don't care if that's because LGM aliens told them to.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#9 Oct 4, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
I don't care about motives as much as I care about good policy.
Face it, you only care if a candidate seems left of Limbaugh.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#10 Oct 5, 2012
Northie wrote:
Great article here on Romney's gigantic switcheroo on energy and climate in order to court the oil industry and anti-science wingnuts.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/30/us/politics...
No 'giganitic switcheroo'. You can say it over and over again, it doesn't make it true.

Romney is a businessman, he is used to making decisions on fact. He is also used to having both or many sides of an argument presented before making decisions. In business we even investigate the least likely senarios, because even those may have hidden benefits.

Once all the data is on the table, then you make a decision. What doesn't happen in business, because it too costly, is to make a decision first and then look for substantiation for that decision.

In science you get 'do overs', in business do overs lead to a loss of income.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#11 Oct 5, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
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No 'giganitic switcheroo'. You can say it over and over again, it doesn't make it true.
Romney is a businessman, he is used to making decisions on fact. He is also used to having both or many sides of an argument presented before making decisions. In business we even investigate the least likely senarios, because even those may have hidden benefits.
Once all the data is on the table, then you make a decision. What doesn't happen in business, because it too costly, is to make a decision first and then look for substantiation for that decision.
In science you get 'do overs', in business do overs lead to a loss of income.
Romney was not a businessman while pushing for cap & trade and attacking coal, and he is not a businessman now. He was and is a politician.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#12 Oct 5, 2012
Northie wrote:
Face it, you only care if a candidate seems left of Limbaugh.
I care about left/right policy divisions. I listen to Rush and I agree with his political goals.

I get a kick out of the fame the left gives Limbaugh, the Koch brothers, Sean Hannity and other conservatives. They can't argue their ideas but they are good at defaming political opponents.
PHD

Houston, TX

#13 Oct 6, 2012
And now the Mit wants to kill big bird. Could elmo be next? Maybe he can get the etch....a.... sketch out and also remove the 47% of hte bottom feeders he claims are out there.More of the same from all.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#14 Oct 6, 2012
Northie wrote:
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Romney was not a businessman while pushing for cap & trade and attacking coal, and he is not a businessman now. He was and is a politician.
Romney didn't push for cap and trade. He, as any businessman would and every governor should, looked at the program, gathered all the information, but after investigating it, did not sign.

Not everyone adopts a position and then refuses to look at anything else. Producers, or those wishing to produce things in this world are required to look at the entire picture. We don't have the luxury of standing on a single soap box nailed to one spot.

Romney is a businessman and a politician. Lots of people can be more than one thing and have more than one objective.

Obama lost the debate, badly. All the mud slinging will not change that fact. 67 million people watched him fail, miserably. No media could intervene and spin the debate, we got a front row seat.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#15 Oct 6, 2012
PHD wrote:
And now the Mit wants to kill big bird. Could elmo be next? Maybe he can get the etch....a.... sketch out and also remove the 47% of hte bottom feeders he claims are out there.More of the same from all.
Romney doesn't want to kill big bird. Like all good bird parents, Romney thinks it's time to push big bird out of the nest and make his fly on his own. How old is that kid anyway. Shouldn't he be self supporting.

47% of our population is dependent on the government for some level of support. That is a true statement. You may not like it, I certainly don't but that doesn't make any less true.

He made a statement to a group of supporters stating that the majority of those dependent on the government probably would not vote for him. I think that is also a true statement.

And the victim statement. Take a look at the recent Chicago teacher strike. They don't want to work more than 5.5 hours per day, their $74,000 salary ($30,000 greater than the average salary in Chicago) is not good enough. And they really don't want performance evaluations.

If that doesn't clearly demonstrate the 'victim' statement, I don't know what does. Those poor teachers victims because the city wants them to work more than 5.5 hours a day and the city wants to evaluate their performance. How horrible is that!

I doubt that many of the striking teachers will vote for Romney, what do you think?

Sometimes, the truth is ugly.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#16 Oct 6, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
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47% of our population is dependent on the government for some level of support. That is a true statement. You may not like it, I certainly don't but that doesn't make any less true.
He made a statement to a group of supporters stating that the majority of those dependent on the government probably would not vote for him.
Correction. He actually said:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

Harsh words for the elderly citizens he's courting, or the military service members and veterans he says he cares about.

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#17 Oct 6, 2012
Northie wrote:
Correction. He actually said:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Harsh words for the elderly citizens he's courting, or the military service members and veterans he says he cares about.
Not so harsh, just a true fact answering a question about the 47%. Romney doesn't write them off, he just doesn't pander to them either.

If you want central government control, vote Obama; if you want small government and market control, vote Romney. The choice can't be more clear.
PHD

Houston, TX

#18 Oct 6, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Romney doesn't want to kill big bird. Like all good bird parents, Romney thinks it's time to push big bird out of the nest and make his fly on his own. How old is that kid anyway. Shouldn't he be self supporting.
47% of our population is dependent on the government for some level of support. That is a true statement. You may not like it, I certainly don't but that doesn't make any less true.
He made a statement to a group of supporters stating that the majority of those dependent on the government probably would not vote for him. I think that is also a true statement.
And the victim statement. Take a look at the recent Chicago teacher strike. They don't want to work more than 5.5 hours per day, their $74,000 salary ($30,000 greater than the average salary in Chicago) is not good enough. And they really don't want performance evaluations.
If that doesn't clearly demonstrate the 'victim' statement, I don't know what does. Those poor teachers victims because the city wants them to work more than 5.5 hours a day and the city wants to evaluate their performance. How horrible is that!
I doubt that many of the striking teachers will vote for Romney, what do you think?
Sometimes, the truth is ugly.
Big Bird can't fly everyones know's that so he does want to kill him.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#19 Oct 7, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Romney doesn't write them off, he just doesn't pander to them either.
"My job is not to worry about those people" doesn't write off half of Americans?

It plainly does, just as "I'm not here to slow the rise of the oceans" writes off the climate.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#20 Oct 7, 2012
Northie wrote:
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"My job is not to worry about those people" doesn't write off half of Americans?
It plainly does, just as "I'm not here to slow the rise of the oceans" writes off the climate.
As far as a campaign goes for votes? Yeah, how many times has Obama gone to Washington to campaign? Washington is considered to be solidly in the Obama category, why would he spend a lot of money on Washington. Does that mean Obama doesn't care about Washington?

How many times has Obama been to Ohio? That's a swing state. How much money has he spent in Ohio? Does that mean he likes Ohio better than Washington?

At least 30% of the voters will vote democrat or republican regardless of the candidate. Those voters are not courted by either side. There is no sense in a republican spending money to obtain votes from the democrats that will never vote republican.

Romney didn't "write off half of Americans?" he wrote off their votes. Big difference.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#21 Oct 7, 2012
Northie wrote:
<quoted text>
Correction. He actually said:
"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it -- that that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what.... My job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."
Harsh words for the elderly citizens he's courting, or the military service members and veterans he says he cares about.
The military have earned the support of our country. The elderly on social security and medicare have paid for their checks.

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