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There are 13 comments on the OpEdNews story from Oct 7, 2012, titled The Fate of Humanity Is at Stake -- Why Are Romney and Obama Too.... In it, OpEdNews reports that:

The Fate of Humanity Is at Stake -- Why Are Romney and Obama Too Cowardly to Talk About What Really Matters? Our politicians show an extraordinary willingness to sacrifice the lives of our children and grandchildren for short-term gain.

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LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#1 Oct 7, 2012
Not cowardly. Just not supported by the public. A lot of whom would like to deny the science and charge their political leaders with doing so for them. And some are just scared of the future so they refuse to talk about it, perhaps fearing that if they admit it, it will come true.

Political leaders have to reflect the basic beliefs of their followers. Leaders can help to CHANGE those beliefs, which is called 'leadership' but neither Obama nor Romney are really good leaders. Kennedy was probably the last good leader in the USA and before that Hitler. Leaders don't have to lead the right way..

An educated public, learning the facts from science, would obviate some of the dangers of picking 'strong leaders' to generate political consensus.

But the problem may go deeper now.
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Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#2 Oct 7, 2012
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Not cowardly. Just not supported by the public. A lot of whom would like to deny the science and charge their political leaders with doing so for them. And some are just scared of the future so they refuse to talk about it, perhaps fearing that if they admit it, it will come true.
Political leaders have to reflect the basic beliefs of their followers. Leaders can help to CHANGE those beliefs, which is called 'leadership' but neither Obama nor Romney are really good leaders.
Interesting, I don't think most people are scared of the future, ie climate change. I think most think that the climate will change and we will change to adapt to it.

Most are not so narrowly focused that they don't see than neither side has an advantage in the information area. One scientist says one thing and the next scientist says something different. If the scientists can't decide then the public will withhold judgement until there is agreement or until the obvious becomes obvious.

Consensus doesn't convince most. Most went thru 3rd grade scientific method. Most are waiting for some solid science. Most don't trust the media anymore so headlines are viewed as hype.

If you live in the central US, then you had a hot dry summer. Not unlike the hot dry summers of the early to mid 1950s and not unlike the 1930s. If you live in Europe, you've been soggy.

If the arctic ice cap 'melt' caught your attention. Then you're aware that a major storm in August broke most up of the ice. Same thing that happened in 2007 the last major ice cap 'melt'.

If you're concerned about pacific islands being inundated, well you're still waiting for evidence that is happening. The good news is the year 2000 has come and gone and NYC is still not underwater and snow still falls in Europe.

Science is a slow and steady process, climate science has been hijacked by politics. Whenever politics gets involved the majority become skeptics.

The climate gate emails didn't help the cause. Most don't care what the review committee says, they read the emails themselves. We're not stupid, we can read.

The poorly written IPCC reports have stripped creditiblity from the organization and when the UN starts asking for money, justified with science from magazine articles, many in the US begin to question the motives.

Remember, if money can fix it, it's not the climate that is broken.
litesong

Everett, WA

#3 Nov 9, 2012
Blast from the not distant Past:
fun farts wrote:
1)......the climate will change and we will change to adapt to it.
2)Most went thru 3rd grade scientific method.
3)The good news is the year 2000 has come and gone and NYC is still not underwater......
4)climate science has been hijacked by politics.
1)NY, New Jersey & so many other areas are adapting right now!
2)'fun farts' repeats the first page of his 3rd grade science reader often. His science & mathematics education went little further.
3)However, the year 2012 didn't pass without NYC being underwater, many homes out to sea, many dead, thousands stranded with no resources, 24 involved states & many countries, AND so many still uncared for & without power or fuel.
4)As 'fun farts' often typed,'Pres. Obama & Romney (romneyhood, romesia, romney who?) made little mention of AGW'.
But the most intellectually, emotionally & rawest entangling quote of 'fun farts' is:
'The good news is the year 2000 has come and gone and NYC is still not underwater......'
The prophetic word of 'fun farts'---Dated: October 7, 2012.
Tropical Storm Sandy was named October 22-23, 2012.
Tropical Storm Sandy became Hurricane Sandy, October 24, 2012.
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'The bad news is the year 2012 did NOT come and go with 'NYC still NOT underwater......'
PHD

Cibolo, TX

#4 Nov 10, 2012
Fun Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Interesting, I don't think most people are scared of the future, ie climate change. I think most think that the climate will change and we will change to adapt to it.
Most are not so narrowly focused that they don't see than neither side has an advantage in the information area. One scientist says one thing and the next scientist says something different. If the scientists can't decide then the public will withhold judgement until there is agreement or until the obvious becomes obvious.
Consensus doesn't convince most. Most went thru 3rd grade scientific method. Most are waiting for some solid science. Most don't trust the media anymore so headlines are viewed as hype.
If you live in the central US, then you had a hot dry summer. Not unlike the hot dry summers of the early to mid 1950s and not unlike the 1930s. If you live in Europe, you've been soggy.
If the arctic ice cap 'melt' caught your attention. Then you're aware that a major storm in August broke most up of the ice. Same thing that happened in 2007 the last major ice cap 'melt'.
If you're concerned about pacific islands being inundated, well you're still waiting for evidence that is happening. The good news is the year 2000 has come and gone and NYC is still not underwater and snow still falls in Europe.
Science is a slow and steady process, climate science has been hijacked by politics. Whenever politics gets involved the majority become skeptics.
The climate gate emails didn't help the cause. Most don't care what the review committee says, they read the emails themselves. We're not stupid, we can read.
The poorly written IPCC reports have stripped creditiblity from the organization and when the UN starts asking for money, justified with science from magazine articles, many in the US begin to question the motives.
Remember, if money can fix it, it's not the climate that is broken.
You should have been in the Eastern blackout a few yrs ago. The streets were littered with human panic. Yes most people are scared of the future so they stay in there space hoping it will go away.Money does fix it it prevents panic.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#6 Nov 10, 2012
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>You should have been in the Eastern blackout a few yrs ago. The streets were littered with human panic. Yes most people are scared of the future so they stay in there space hoping it will go away.Money does fix it it prevents panic.
Again if money does fix it, it's not climate it is fixing. We have created environments for people to live in that are not always a good match for natural climate fluctuations.

Whether it is our reliance on electricity with exposed power lines, our desire to live on the side of a hill or at the waters edge or buried in the trees of a forest, in a barren desert or in view of a smoldering volcano, we chose to live where weather and other natural disasters will impact.

Why? because there isn't a place we can name that doesn't have some inherent problems for man's habitat.

I live in a desert, we have drought, it's not a secret. You can tell it doesn't rain much, lots of sand and catus. I love it here, just as I think the guy who built his house in the forest loves it there.

If you picked the east or the gulf coast, you know you will have hurricanes. Out west you're gonna get earthquakes. And in the north, it just gets damn cold.

Can money help fix the environmental impact of the places we chose to live in? Yes it can, but it can't fix the climate.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#7 Nov 10, 2012
litesong wrote:
Blast from the not distant Past:
<quoted text>
1)NY, New Jersey & so many other areas are adapting right now!
2)'fun farts' repeats the first page of his 3rd grade science reader often. His science & mathematics education went little further.
3)However, the year 2012 didn't pass without NYC being underwater, many homes out to sea, many dead, thousands stranded with no resources, 24 involved states & many countries, AND so many still uncared for & without power or fuel.
4)As 'fun farts' often typed,'Pres. Obama & Romney (romneyhood, romesia, romney who?) made little mention of AGW'.
But the most intellectually, emotionally & rawest entangling quote of 'fun farts' is:
'The good news is the year 2000 has come and gone and NYC is still not underwater......'
The prophetic word of 'fun farts'---Dated: October 7, 2012.
Tropical Storm Sandy was named October 22-23, 2012.
Tropical Storm Sandy became Hurricane Sandy, October 24, 2012.
//////////
\\\\\\\\\\
'The bad news is the year 2012 did NOT come and go with 'NYC still NOT underwater......'
My NYC comment was in relationship to rising sea levels. I lived in New Jesrsey in the early 60s when the backyard had 3 feet of standing water from a hurricane. The homes were built on berms above the backyard because this had happened before and was likely to happen again.

It did.
litesong

Everett, WA

#8 Nov 10, 2012
anglosaxon 18 wrote:
The idiot Christian evangelists.....
Correction:
the idiot, toxic topix AGW denier christians, without upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra & pre-calc & no mathematics & science degreees or even hi skule deegreees, at all, who believe oil, coal, energy, business & re-pubic-lick-un TV, radio & website propaganda......
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#9 Nov 10, 2012
It's all so much simpler for the small and medium business owners in America. The arrogant takers and thieves calling themselves progressive are completely out of control. Let them fend for themselves. Let them rediscover the fundamental connection between the stomach and the brain.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#10 Nov 10, 2012
3OHA wrote:
It's all so much simpler for the small and medium business owners in America. The arrogant takers and thieves calling themselves progressive are completely out of control. Let them fend for themselves. Let them rediscover the fundamental connection between the stomach and the brain.
What are you talking about? You don't make sense.

What was the fundamental connection for Romney et al? They are very very hungry for our money all the time.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#11 Nov 10, 2012
3OHA wrote:
It's all so much simpler for the small and medium business owners in America. The arrogant takers and thieves calling themselves progressive are completely out of control. Let them fend for themselves. Let them rediscover the fundamental connection between the stomach and the brain.
Absolutely.
3OHA

San Jose, CA

#12 Nov 10, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>What are you talking about? You don't make sense.
What was the fundamental connection for Romney et al? They are very very hungry for our money all the time.
We're not insensitive. We'll give you a sandwich and some soup if you're hungry... for an honest hour's labor.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#13 Nov 10, 2012
3OHA wrote:
<quoted text>
We're not insensitive. We'll give you a sandwich and some soup if you're hungry... for an honest hour's labor.
I see.

LOL. You've confused ff aka fossil fuel.
Fun Facts

Huntsville, AL

#14 Nov 11, 2012
3OHA wrote:
It's all so much simpler for the small and medium business owners in America. The arrogant takers and thieves calling themselves progressive are completely out of control. Let them fend for themselves. Let them rediscover the fundamental connection between the stomach and the brain.
The work week reductions to 28 hours will do just that. Capping employees at 49 will do it. Yes it means capping income, but as long as it's enough to live on, let them tax turnips.

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