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Stock markets surge on fiscal cliff relief

There are 76 comments on the Guardian Unlimited story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Stock markets surge on fiscal cliff relief. In it, Guardian Unlimited reports that:

US President Barack Obama said he had fulfilled a campaign promise to make the US tax system fairer with a deal to avert the fiscal cliff crisis that passed after a fierce duel in Congress.

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Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#64 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Yeah, and so do you. Tell me why these idiots can't simply allocate money to the people who need it and ONLY to the people who need it?
Read my post again, I'm no republican supporter. I think they ALL need to disappear. They supposedly work for us, remember?
Name your preferred replacement.

Since: Oct 12

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#65 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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No, we're talking about the administration you idiots elected and the fact they can't cut through the red tape like your fearless leader promised.
If the bill was for the victims ONLY, the money would be in their hands already.
p.s.- Since you're too stupid to figure it out, a budget would deal with emergency funding. GFY
..Incapable of conversation.....

Since: Nov 12

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#66 Jan 3, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>..Incapable of conversation.....
Yes, your post makes that apparent.

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#67 Jan 3, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Name your preferred replacement.
Replacement for what? Be specific.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#68 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Yeah, and so do you. Tell me why these idiots can't simply allocate money to the people who need it and ONLY to the people who need it?
Read my post again, I'm no republican supporter. I think they ALL need to disappear. They supposedly work for us, remember?
Because there is no political gain for them if they did that. Congress ONLY gives our tax money away when it benefits CONGRESS.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#69 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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No, we're talking about the administration you idiots elected and the fact they can't cut through the red tape like your fearless leader promised.
If the bill was for the victims ONLY, the money would be in their hands already.
p.s.- Since you're too stupid to figure it out, a budget would deal with emergency funding. GFY
So just who counts as a "victim"?

-Only those whose homes were destroyed? What about those whose houses were just damaged?
-How much damage? The whole roof gone, or just a shingle missing?
-What about businesses? Does it only count if their physical building was damaged? How about those who lost business because of the storm but suffered no physical damage themselves? What about companies from out of state that normally sell products in New Jersey via the internet but lost business because their customers weren't buying?
-Is it just physical loss? What about emotional suffering?? Am I a "victim" if I have to seek treatment for depression because I'm so worried about the "victims" in New Jersey, even though I'm in Michigan?

See how it easily snowballs into the ridiculous?!

Since: Nov 12

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#70 Jan 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Because there is no political gain for them if they did that. Congress ONLY gives our tax money away when it benefits CONGRESS.
There's no political gain by getting funding to victims ASAP? Bullshit. Here's some more:

“I want you to cut through bureaucracy. There’s no excuse for inaction at this point. I want every agency to lean forward and to make sure that we are getting the resources where they need — where they’re needed as quickly as possible."

“So I want to repeat — my message to the federal government: No bureaucracy, no red tape. Get resources where they’re needed as fast as possible, as hard as possible, and for the duration.”

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#71 Jan 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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So just who counts as a "victim"?
-Only those whose homes were destroyed? What about those whose houses were just damaged?
-How much damage? The whole roof gone, or just a shingle missing?
-What about businesses? Does it only count if their physical building was damaged? How about those who lost business because of the storm but suffered no physical damage themselves? What about companies from out of state that normally sell products in New Jersey via the internet but lost business because their customers weren't buying?
-Is it just physical loss? What about emotional suffering?? Am I a "victim" if I have to seek treatment for depression because I'm so worried about the "victims" in New Jersey, even though I'm in Michigan?
See how it easily snowballs into the ridiculous?!
Here's your "ridiculous":

Budget watchdogs have dubbed the 94-page emergency-spending bill “Sandy Scam.”

It includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska.

An eye-popping $13 billion would go to “mitigation” projects to prepare for future storms.

Other big-ticket items in the bill include $207 million for the VA Manhattan Medical Center; $41 million to fix up eight military bases along the storm’s path, including Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; $4 million for repairs at Kennedy Space Center in Florida; $3.3 million for the Plum Island Animal Disease Center and $1.1 million to repair national cemeteries

More:

$58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.

$197 million “to… protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy.”

$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.

$17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.

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Aren't these people who chose to live on the shoreline, many in seven figure valued homes, insured?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#72 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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There's no political gain by getting funding to victims ASAP? Bullshit. Here's some more:
“I want you to cut through bureaucracy. There’s no excuse for inaction at this point. I want every agency to lean forward and to make sure that we are getting the resources where they need — where they’re needed as quickly as possible."
“So I want to repeat — my message to the federal government: No bureaucracy, no red tape. Get resources where they’re needed as fast as possible, as hard as possible, and for the duration.”
If there were a political gain, the money would be there already.....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#73 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Here's your "ridiculous":
Budget watchdogs have dubbed the 94-page emergency-spending bill “Sandy Scam.”
It includes a whopping $150 million for the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration to dole out to fisheries in Alaska.
An eye-popping $13 billion would go to “mitigation” projects to prepare for future storms.
Other big-ticket items in the bill include $207 million for the VA Manhattan Medical Center; $41 million to fix up eight military bases along the storm’s path, including Guantanamo Bay, Cuba; $4 million for repairs at Kennedy Space Center in Florida; $3.3 million for the Plum Island Animal Disease Center and $1.1 million to repair national cemeteries
More:
$58.8 million for forest restoration on private land.
$197 million “to… protect coastal ecosystems and habitat impacted by Hurricane Sandy.”
$10.78 billion for public transportation, most of which is allocated to future construction and improvements, not disaster relief.
$17 billion for wasteful Community Development Block Grants (CDBG), a program that has become notorious for its use as a backdoor earmark program.
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Aren't these people who chose to live on the shoreline, many in seven figure valued homes, insured?
Like I said, pretty much anyone can claim to be a victim and will have their hand out.

I just find it hypocritical that the same GOPasuars who decry federal spending are the very same ones crying now about not getting their federal handout.

Since: Nov 12

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#74 Jan 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Like I said, pretty much anyone can claim to be a victim and will have their hand out.
I just find it hypocritical that the same GOPasuars who decry federal spending are the very same ones crying now about not getting their federal handout.
You DO realize there's a difference between conservatives and the GOP, right? King and Christy may as well change their party. Neither are conservatives.

I find it hypocritical that the debt and deficit will be passed on to future generations (our children and grandchildren) by the same people say they won't.

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#75 Jan 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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If there were a political gain, the money would be there already.....
That makes no sense at all.

Are you saying that taking care of your constituents won't bring political gain?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#76 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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That makes no sense at all.
Are you saying that taking care of your constituents won't bring political gain?
Apparently not, or the money would be there already.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#77 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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You DO realize there's a difference between conservatives and the GOP, right? King and Christy may as well change their party. Neither are conservatives.
I find it hypocritical that the debt and deficit will be passed on to future generations (our children and grandchildren) by the same people say they won't.
Of course there's a difference between conservative and the GOPasaurs. Most Republicans aren't conservatives at all- they want to spend more than we take in with taxes, they want to start wars constantly, they want to tell women what medical procedures they can have, they want to tell people whom you can have sex with & whom they can marry, and they want to force non-christians to submit to a christian government authority.

NOTHING about ANY of that is conservative.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#78 Jan 3, 2013
La Santa Muerte wrote:
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Replacement for what? Be specific.
Don't you even understand your own posts? Here's what you posted...

"they ALL need to disappear. They supposedly work for us, remember?"..Now, who is your replacement?

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#79 Jan 3, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Of course there's a difference between conservative and the GOPasaurs. Most Republicans aren't conservatives at all- they want to spend more than we take in with taxes, they want to start wars constantly, they want to tell women what medical procedures they can have, they want to tell people whom you can have sex with & whom they can marry, and they want to force non-christians to submit to a christian government authority.
NOTHING about ANY of that is conservative.
It ain't liberal either.

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