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US election: will economic woes sink Obama as they did Brown and Sarkozy?

There are 55 comments on the Guardian Unlimited story from Nov 4, 2012, titled US election: will economic woes sink Obama as they did Brown and Sarkozy?. In it, Guardian Unlimited reports that:

If Barack Obama wins the US election, it will be because he saved General Motors - and because of the fear Romney would be even worse.

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Gravediggers

United States

#2 Nov 4, 2012
Supposedly, it comes down to Hamilton, OH

All we can hope for is that those who vote for Romney have their vote counted

and

All those who vote for Obama have their vote counted.

Would hate to see, read of cheating, failed electronics, etc.

The people in OH will determine the way this country goes.

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#3 Nov 4, 2012
Gravediggers wrote:
Supposedly, it comes down to Hamilton, OH
All we can hope for is that those who vote for Romney have their vote counted
and
All those who vote for Obama have their vote counted.
Would hate to see, read of cheating, failed electronics, etc.
The people in OH will determine the way this country goes.
I do agree with you I would also hate to see, read of cheating, failed electronics as well.

Right now as it sits Obama leads by 3.0 in Ohio...I'm sure that is probably well within the margin of error.

Vote and let them be counted fair and square and let the better man win.

Guess we'll all find out on Wednesday.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4 Nov 4, 2012
FULL QUESTION

Is it true that Tagg Romney owns voting machines in Ohio?

FULL ANSWER

We have received a lot of emails from readers with questions about Ohio’s voting machines — all prompted by a conspiracy theory that suggests Mitt Romney supporters will “steal” the election by tampering with voting machines in the critical swing state of Ohio.

This theory has been fostered in recent weeks by some liberal bloggers and fanned by some Democrats, including Jennifer Brunner, who oversaw Ohio elections as the state’s secretary of state. Brunner told MSNBC,“It doesn’t look good for a presidential candidate’s son to be an investor in a voting machine company.”

But the facts are that Tagg Romney’s company, Solamere Capital, does not own Hart InterCivic, the company that provides voting machines in Ohio, and there’s no evidence that Solamere has even invested in it. Solamere says that it has no investment in Hart InterCivic and, therefore, no direct or indirect control over it.

It’s true that the voting machine supplier is controlled by an investment firm whose executives are some of the biggest donors to the Romney campaign, and it’s also true that Tagg Romney has done business with that investment firm. However, Hart InterCivic supplies electronic voting machines in just two of Ohio’s 88 counties, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

factcheck.org/.../does-tagg-romney-own-&#... - Cached
CHECK SIX

North Port, FL

#5 Nov 4, 2012
It May Not ..for all Monkey Faces,Frito Banditios ,Girly Boys are now living of the fat of the land...TAXPAYERS MONEY....With the Employment as a career,and Food Stamps Free Health care?..OBAMA as bought these people.......GET A JOB/ WHY?...WHAT ME WORRY??
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#7 Nov 4, 2012
I like the comment made today about ROmney - he is the most supreme and best flipflopper!
Sheik Yerbouti

Warrington, PA

#8 Nov 4, 2012
CHECK SIX wrote:
It May Not ..for all Monkey Faces,Frito Banditios ,Girly Boys are now living of the fat of the land...TAXPAYERS MONEY....With the Employment as a career,and Food Stamps Free Health care?..OBAMA as bought these people.......GET A JOB/ WHY?...WHAT ME WORRY??
The only 'girly boy' on here is you! You need to get out of your mom's basement!!

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#9 Nov 4, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
I like the comment made today about ROmney - he is the most supreme and best flipflopper!
Nobam:

I will close gitmo in campaign 08,(it's still there)
I will get rid of Patriot Act (he extended it...twice)
I will get rid of Bush tax cuts......(extended them..twice)
I will be more transparent.(obamacaretax behind closed doors)

Right, we have the king of flippers in the whitehouse now.

Bill Maher: "If you vote for Romney, blacks will know who you are and come after you!" How dumb can the liberals get???????

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#10 Nov 4, 2012
GM owes taxpayers $42 Billion
Obama watched Americans be killed in Libya and did nothing.
Obama will have us $22 Trillion in debt soon

Since: Jan 07

Rock Glen, PA

#11 Nov 4, 2012
I know that Ohio is a concern for both candidates However there has been an odd turn of events here. Inexplicably, the Obama campaign had requested the use of the larger of the two city high schools tomorrow for a rally conducted by Bill Clinton. The campaign requires the use of the entire lower level of the school all day to prepare. This means that all classes conducted on that floor, not just Phys ed will be sent to the cafeteria or the few available classrooms. There will probably be an early dismissal to clear the parking lots. Why is our area being visited by Clinton at the eleventh hour? We have been political lepers throughout the campaign. I can only assume that internal polling is indicating that Pennsylvania is not in the bag for either candidate. The unemployment rate is three percentage points higher than the national average. All the wild and crazy stimulus spending passed us by. This seems somewhat desperate on the part of democrats.
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#12 Nov 4, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
<quoted text>
we have the king of flippers ...
Yes the comment was that ROmney is the best of flipfloppers and the king of flippers.

ROmney has also told some mammoth fibbers/lies in his ads which have been roundly criticized by even the car folks.
Responsibility

San Mateo, CA

#13 Nov 4, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
<quoted text>
"If you vote for Romney, blacks will know who you are and come after you!"
Yes, I think that mantra was a spoken and unspoken "threat" in the last election if you voted for a black candidate.

The good news is that millions did not kowtow to such threats.

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#14 Nov 4, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes the comment was that ROmney is the best of flipfloppers and the king of flippers.
ROmney has also told some mammoth fibbers/lies in his ads which have been roundly criticized by even the car folks.
Nobammer has flipped more times than the Chinese acrobats. He's lied more times than........Bill Clinton! And brudder, that's saying a lot!!

The car folks??? You mean the GM labor leaders? LMAO

Since: Dec 07

Athens, TX

#15 Nov 4, 2012
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I think that mantra was a spoken and unspoken "threat" in the last election if you voted for a black candidate.
The good news is that millions did not kowtow to such threats.
Didn't see such threats........we see them now all over the place, moveon, msnbc. The evil left, vote for our socialist cause or else.

Stalin...millioins dead.
Pol Pot...millions
Mao......millions more
Castro...thousands of Cubans killed and imprisoned.

We see how the left works...but ain't gonna happen here, pinhead.

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#16 Nov 4, 2012
Benghazi already sunk Obama's boat a while ago. His political career is in Davy Jones Locker.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#18 Nov 4, 2012
Bluebonnets-Thistle wrote:
<quoted text>
Didn't see such threats........we see them now all over the place, moveon, msnbc. The evil left, vote for our socialist cause or else.
Stalin...millioins dead.
Pol Pot...millions
Mao......millions more
Castro...thousands of Cubans killed and imprisoned.
We see how the left works...but ain't gonna happen here, pinhead.
Yep, those communist:

Everyone knows that Tea Party revolutionaries fear and hate socialism about as much as the Antichrist. Which is funny, because the Tea Party movement’s dirty little secret is that it owes its existence to the grandaddy of all Antichrists: the godless empire of the USSR.

What few realize is that the secretive oil billionaires of the Koch family, the main supporters of the right-wing groups that orchestrated the Tea Party movement, would not have the means to bankroll their favorite causes had it not been for the pile of money the family made working for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s and early 1930s, building refineries, training Communist engineers and laying down the foundation of Soviet oil infrastructure.

It doesn't end there.

The next teabagger generation is "on board":

WASHINGTON — Matt Romney, a son of the Republican presidential nominee, traveled to Moscow this week seeking Russian investors for his California-based real estate firm just days before his father is to wrap up a campaign in which he has vowed to take a tougher stance with the Kremlin.

Mr. Romney, the second-oldest son of Mitt Romney, met with Russians whom he hoped to convince to invest in his company, Excel Trust, which owns shopping centers across the United States, the firm said. Although the company’s focus has been solely domestic, it said it has begun exploring international opportunities to raise funds.

Mr. Romney’s trip a week before the presidential election underscored the complex relationship between his family’s business and the political campaign. Mitt Romney has criticized President Obama for being too soft on Russia, calling it “our No. 1 geopolitical foe” and promising to confront President Vladimir V. Putin’s government with “more backbone” if elected on Tuesday.

Those darn "communist" teabaggers.

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#19 Nov 4, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
Benghazi already sunk Obama's boat a while ago. His political career is in Davy Jones Locker.
Your credibility is rusting away like the Titanic...You are going to be one upset Ninthman come Wednesday.

Obama 303

Romney 191

http://news.yahoo.com/elections/polls/

Also 7 Prognosticators With Good News for Nervous Obama Fans

1. Nate Silver
Track record: Silver has built his reputation on the accuracy of his "Political Calculus": In 2008, his model correctly predicted the electoral outcome in 49 of 50 states, and long before the 2010 midterms, he forecasted a Republican sweep.

Current prediction: Silver's FiveThirtyEight gives the president a 77.4 percent chance of winning, with a estimated total of 299 electoral votes.

2. Sam Wang
Track record: The group behind Meta-Analysis stakes out their election prediction street cred like so: "In 2004, the median decided-voter calculation captured the exact final outcome. In 2008, the final-week decided-voter calculation was within 1 electoral vote."

Current prediction: As of October 30, Wang gives Barack Obama a generous 92 to 98 percent chance of reelection, and an estimated 303 electoral votes.

3. Drew Linzer
Track record: This is Linzer's model's first real election, but he vouches for its reliability. "I validated the model with state-level pre-election polls from the 2008 presidential campaign, using the benefit of hindsight to evaluate model performance," he writes. "In a simulated run-through of the campaign from May to November, the model was able to steadily improve the accuracy of its forecasts, ultimately mispredicting the winner of only a single state. By Election Day, the average difference between the model forecasts and the actual state election outcomes was just 1.4%, with more than half of states projected to within 1%."

Current prediction: As of October 30, Votamatic is predicting an Obama victory, with 332 electoral votes.

4. Andrew S. Tanenbaum
Track record: Initially anonymous, Tanenbaum revealed his identity after rampant speculation that he was, among other things, "a Clinton administration official,[or] a bored retired statistician." Tanenbaum describes himself as "a libertarian [who leans] towards the Democrats."

Current prediction: With a week to go, Tanenbaum's analysis has Obama up with at least 280 electoral votes.

5. Josh Putnam
Track record: Putnam was an ace at delegate math during this year's particularly messy Republican primaries.(He teamed up with The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza to count delegates).

Current prediction: Putnam's model has Obama leading with 332 electoral votes.

6. Scott Elliott
Track record: His track record and methods have been pretty solid—even winning him an endorsement across the aisle from Prof. Tanenbaum at Electoral-Vote.com : For instance, in 2008, his formula projected an easy Obama win, but was off by two states (Indiana and North Carolina). In 2004, his model predicted Bush netting 289 electoral votes (he ended up with 286).

Current prediction: His math shows a substantial lead for Obama, clocking in at 290 electoral votes, but with 48.9 percent of the popular vote versus Romney's 49.6 percent.

7. Thomas Holbrook
Track record: He took his models out for their first spin during the 2008 election, estimating a big Obama win with 349 electoral votes, to McCain's 189 (Obama snagged 365, McCain 173).

Current prediction: Holbrook gives the president an 86.69 percent chance of winning reelection, with 281 electoral votes to Romney's 257.

Aria

United States

#20 Nov 4, 2012
I vote on one issue. Skin color.

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#21 Nov 4, 2012
Aria wrote:
I vote on one issue. Skin color.
Then do us all a favor and don't vote.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#22 Nov 4, 2012
CHECK SIX wrote:
It May Not ..for all Monkey Faces,Frito Banditios ,Girly Boys are now living of the fat of the land...TAXPAYERS MONEY....With the Employment as a career,and Food Stamps Free Health care?..OBAMA as bought these people.......GET A JOB/ WHY?...WHAT ME WORRY??
Your partisan bullshit is getting few listeners. Confess and save yourself!

“your life is great”

Since: Aug 09

you poop in clean water

#24 Nov 4, 2012
The Delegate wrote:
<quoted text>You're boy is hopin to allah that his corrupt gophers get the election rigged in time.
with voting machines owned by Tagg?
really?

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