Second-generation immigrants better off than parents

Feb 7, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Marshfield News-Herald

Second-generation immigrants are faring far better than their parents, earning more money, owning more homes and getting more college degrees, according to a report released Thursday.

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"â?˘ 36% of second-generation immigrants have at least a bachelor's degree from college, compared with 29% of their parents and 31% of all U.S. adults."

So you are telling me that 29% of the hispanic illegal alien parents have college degrees? After all, at least 60% of illegal aliens are hispanic! These are peasants who can't graduate high school!

Move along folks, nothing to see here! It's only msm's attempts to again let us see the benefits of flooding an umemployed America with 11 million illegal aliens...nice try...AGAIN!

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They are talking about legal immigrants.

"Mexicans abhor education. In their country, illiteracy dominates. As they arrive in our country, only 9.6 percent of fourth generation Mexicans earn a high school diploma. Mexico does not promote educational values. This makes them the least educated of any Americans or immigrants. The rate of illiteracy in Mexico stands at 63 percent."

http://rense.com/general75/amamex.htm
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spytheweb wrote:
They are talking about legal immigrants.
"Mexicans abhor education. In their country, illiteracy dominates. As they arrive in our country, only 9.6 percent of fourth generation Mexicans earn a high school diploma. Mexico does not promote educational values. This makes them the least educated of any Americans or immigrants. The rate of illiteracy in Mexico stands at 63 percent."
http://rense.com/general75/amamex.htm
My former husband was Cuban. It was very interesting to gain insight into the Hispanic hiearchy. Cubans are considered the most cultured and refined...mexicans are the lowest! They are considered brash and uncultured...what a thing to say!
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They're having kids at 12 and cleaning toilet's at thirteen year's old. I don't think they're working hard to learn English and enroll in College. Where do these number's come from. Completely impossible.

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spytheweb wrote:
They are talking about legal immigrants.
"Mexicans abhor education. In their country, illiteracy dominates. As they arrive in our country, only 9.6 percent of fourth generation Mexicans earn a high school diploma. Mexico does not promote educational values. This makes them the least educated of any Americans or immigrants. The rate of illiteracy in Mexico stands at 63 percent."
http://rense.com/general75/amamex.htm
Despite the rantings of a conspiracy theorist radio talk show host (the "source" blog you quote), literacy in Mexico is over 90%. Less than the USA, yes, but certainly not extraordinarily low.

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They're having kids at 12 and cleaning toilet's at thirteen year's old. I don't think they're working hard to learn English and enroll in College. Where do these number's come from. Completely impossible.
The article tells you where the numbers come from:

"The median annual household income for the U.S.-born children of immigrants is $58,100, a marked improvement over the $45,800 their parents generated and nearly as high as the $58,200 median income for all U.S. adults, according to a report by the Pew Research Center."

Does it really surprise you that second generation immigrants earn, on average, almost the same amount as Americans in general?

You've been listening to too many of the nutty right wing radio talkers who try and convince you that "Mexicans never learn English- even after the third or 4th generation"- which is total nonsense. I don't know any 2nd generation Mexican-American who doesn't speak English as his primary language, and by the third generation, they generally speak ENGLISH ONLY.

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Despite the rantings of a conspiracy theorist radio talk show host (the "source" blog you quote), literacy in Mexico is over 90%. Less than the USA, yes, but certainly not extraordinarily low.
Oh come on now, what standards are they using? Do they test them reading a passage at a 6th grade level? Further, the dropout rate in Mexico is pretty high because poor families pull their kids out of school to help put food on the table. These children are forced to sell candy and crafts on street corners or are seen working in restaurants...children. These are the people we have sneaking into our country.

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<quoted text>Oh come on now, what standards are they using? Do they test them reading a passage at a 6th grade level? Further, the dropout rate in Mexico is pretty high because poor families pull their kids out of school to help put food on the table. These children are forced to sell candy and crafts on street corners or are seen working in restaurants...children. These are the people we have sneaking into our country.
Literacy: The ability to read and write. It does NOT require a HS diploma, so you can be a drop out and still be literate. The USA also has a shockingly high drop out rate, but it largely literate.

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Literacy: The ability to read and write. It does NOT require a HS diploma, so you can be a drop out and still be literate. The USA also has a shockingly high drop out rate, but it largely literate.
The point is, what is the level at which these people can read and comprehend what they read? Reading words does not mean one comprehends what one reads. I have seen kids with spectacular word attack skills who had no comprehension of the material they just read.

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Despite the rantings of a conspiracy theorist radio talk show host (the "source" blog you quote), literacy in Mexico is over 90%. Less than the USA, yes, but certainly not extraordinarily low.


"Students who have been designated "English learners" make up one-quarter of all California public school students; 85% are U.S.-born. Continued failure to teach them English — they are among the lowest-performing groups of students — will leave them further behind and jeopardize California's future, the report said."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-engli...

Funny i don't remember taking English classes before i went to school? 21.2% of California school students can't speak English and these are US born citizens. Talk about not assimilating.

They maybe US born but in the home it's 100% pure Mexico with no English spoken.

"In the past two decades, the Mexican population in New York City has grown more than fivefold, with immigrants settling across the five boroughs. Many adults have demonstrated remarkable success at finding work, filling restaurant kitchens and construction sites, and opening hundreds of businesses.

But their children, in one crucial respect, have fared far differently.

About 41 percent of all Mexicans between ages 16 and 19 in the city have dropped out of school, according to census data.

No other major immigrant group has a dropout rate higher than 20 percent, and the overall rate for the city is less than 9 percent, the statistics show.

This crisis endures at the college level. Among Mexican immigrants 19 to 23 who do not have a college degree, only 6 percent are enrolled. That is a fraction of the rates among other major immigrant groups and the native-born population.

Moreover, these rates are significantly worse than those of the broader Mexican immigrant population in the United States.

The problem is especially unsettling because Mexicans are the fastest-growing major immigrant group in the city, officially numbering about 183,200, according to the Census Bureau, up from about 33,600 in 1990. Experts say the actual figure is far larger, given high levels of illegal immigration."

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/25/nyregion/me... ;

Education is just not their stick.

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The article tells you where the numbers come from:
"The median annual household income for the U.S.-born children of immigrants is $58,100, a marked improvement over the $45,800 their parents generated and nearly as high as the $58,200 median income for all U.S. adults, according to a report by the Pew Research Center."
Does it really surprise you that second generation immigrants earn, on average, almost the same amount as Americans in general?
You've been listening to too many of the nutty right wing radio talkers who try and convince you that "Mexicans never learn English- even after the third or 4th generation"- which is total nonsense. I don't know any 2nd generation Mexican-American who doesn't speak English as his primary language, and by the third generation, they generally speak ENGLISH ONLY.
"Students who have been designated "English learners" make up one-quarter of all California public school students; 85% are U.S.-born."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-engli...

"The new report highlighted the fact that 43 percent of immigrants who lived in the U.S. for 20 years were receiving government assistance; nearly double the rates of natural-born citizens."

http://www.examiner.com/article/legal-illegal...
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<quoted text>Oh come on now, what standards are they using? Do they test them reading a passage at a 6th grade level? Further, the dropout rate in Mexico is pretty high because poor families pull their kids out of school to help put food on the table. These children are forced to sell candy and crafts on street corners or are seen working in restaurants...children. These are the people we have sneaking into our country.
Yes, actually yes, those children who "are forced to sell candy and crafts on street corners or are seen working in restaurants", are those same children pleading U.S. voters to pass the "Dream Act", begging U.S. voters NOT to allow them to be deported back to those harsh conditions.
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Students struggling with English not getting help

More than 20,000 California students struggling with English are not receiving any legally required services to help them, setting them up for academic failure, according to a recent report by two civil rights organizations.

The study compiled 2010-2011 state data showing that students of all ages in 261 state school districts were receiving no specialized support to help them acquire English, as required under both state and federal law.

The districts with the largest number of students receiving no aid included Los Angeles Unified with 4,150, Compton Unified with 1,697 and Salinas Union High with 1,618, according to the report by the American Civil Liberties Union of California and the Asian Pacific American Legal Center.

"State educational officials are creating a caste system whereby tens of thousands of children — nearly all of whom are U.S. citizens — are denied access to the bond of English language that unites us as Californians," said Mark Rosenbaum, chief counsel of the ACLU of Southern California.

Jessica Price, an ACLU attorney, said some parents opt out of specialized programs for their children but that the law still requires districts to provide aid until the students are no longer classified as English learners. She said some districts simply don't know how to help the students, while others willfully ignore them — state compliance monitors found that one Northern California district had used state and federal funds for English learners to buy computer monitors and cameras, she said.

Six of the 15 districts with the highest percentage of students without services were in the northern counties of Yuba, Siskiyou, Shasta, Butte, Sutter and El Dorado.

William S. Hart Union High School District in Los Angeles County reported it provided no services to 1,142 students, representing 54% of all English learners.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-engli...

Telling the whole story.
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Unless your America Indian you are a immigrant.......

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Students struggling with English not getting help
More than 20,000 California students struggling with English are not receiving any legally required services to help them, setting them up for academic failure, according to a recent report by two civil rights organizations.
The study compiled 2010-2011 state data showing that students of all ages in 261 state school districts were receiving no specialized support to help them acquire English, as required under both state and federal law.
The districts with the largest number of students receiving no aid included Los Angeles Unified with 4,150, Compton Unified with 1,697 and Salinas Union High with 1,618, according to the report by the American Civil Liberties Union of California and the Asian Pacific American Legal Center.
"State educational officials are creating a caste system whereby tens of thousands of children — nearly all of whom are U.S. citizens — are denied access to the bond of English language that unites us as Californians," said Mark Rosenbaum, chief counsel of the ACLU of Southern California.
Jessica Price, an ACLU attorney, said some parents opt out of specialized programs for their children but that the law still requires districts to provide aid until the students are no longer classified as English learners. She said some districts simply don't know how to help the students, while others willfully ignore them — state compliance monitors found that one Northern California district had used state and federal funds for English learners to buy computer monitors and cameras, she said.
Six of the 15 districts with the highest percentage of students without services were in the northern counties of Yuba, Siskiyou, Shasta, Butte, Sutter and El Dorado.
William S. Hart Union High School District in Los Angeles County reported it provided no services to 1,142 students, representing 54% of all English learners.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-engli...
Telling the whole story.
I will defer from responding until I hear from the posters who live in CA, and see what they have to say about this. I do remember reading an article a while back that said these kids were being taught in Spanish, rather than using a total immersion method that would be of greater benefit to these students for learning English.
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10 Myths About Immigration
how long it took for their ancestors to stop using their first language.“Earlier immigrant groups held onto their cultures fiercely,” notes Reimers.“When the United States entered the First World War [in 1917], there were over 700 German-language newspapers. Yet, German immigration had peaked in the 1870s.”

While today’s immigrants may speak their first language at home, two-thirds of those older than 5 speak English “well” or “very well” according to research by the independent, nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. And the demand for adult ESL instruction in the United States far outstrips available classes.
http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-39-s...

Mufasa's ghost: "You have forgotten who you are
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/quotations/movies...
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Academics call time on 'illiterate' students

Lecturers at some of the new universities are calling for a public debate on standards because they say functionally illiterate students are being passed so they do not drop out of courses.

The lack of writing skills and sloppy punctuation and spelling will render students unemployable in graduate jobs despite their degrees, they say.

Among the written howlers cited from students at both new and old universities are the cringe-making "language is a mean's of self expresun"; the dreadful "garunteed" for "guaranteed"; and the utterly impenetrable "case in point to me alone but not all".

Lecturers at Bournemouth and Teesside universities have complained that their fail grades were reversed to enable students to stay on.

At the University of Hertfordshire, Prof Tony Marcel described the English and essay-writing skills of some of his psychology students as "appallingly bad".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/154707...
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Mayela wrote:
Students struggling with English not getting help
More than 20,000 California students struggling with English are not receiving any legally required services to help them, setting them up for academic failure, according to a recent report by two civil rights organizations.
The study compiled 2010-2011 state data showing that students of all ages in 261 state school districts were receiving no specialized support to help them acquire English, as required under both state and federal law.
The districts with the largest number of students receiving no aid included Los Angeles Unified with 4,150, Compton Unified with 1,697 and Salinas Union High with 1,618, according to the report by the American Civil Liberties Union of California and the Asian Pacific American Legal Center.
"State educational officials are creating a caste system whereby tens of thousands of children — nearly all of whom are U.S. citizens — are denied access to the bond of English language that unites us as Californians," said Mark Rosenbaum, chief counsel of the ACLU of Southern California.
Jessica Price, an ACLU attorney, said some parents opt out of specialized programs for their children but that the law still requires districts to provide aid until the students are no longer classified as English learners. She said some districts simply don't know how to help the students, while others willfully ignore them — state compliance monitors found that one Northern California district had used state and federal funds for English learners to buy computer monitors and cameras, she said.
Six of the 15 districts with the highest percentage of students without services were in the northern counties of Yuba, Siskiyou, Shasta, Butte, Sutter and El Dorado.
William S. Hart Union High School District in Los Angeles County reported it provided no services to 1,142 students, representing 54% of all English learners.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-engli...
Telling the whole story.
How sad that resources are being taken away from citizens and immigrants to teach English to illegal aliens. Then people wonder why California schools have dropped in a few years from #1 to near the bottom in spite of the fact that they are near the top of the list for dollars spent per student.
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McCullough, twice a Pulitzer-winner, meets w/college students often and is "stunned by how little they know" about history
I ran into some students on university campuses who were bright and attractive and likeable. And I was just stunned by how much they didn’t know. One young woman at a university in the Midwest came up to me after one of my talks and said that until she heard me speak that morning she’d never understood that the original 13 colonies were all on the East Coast. And I thought,“What are we doing that’s so wrong, so pathetic?”
http://twitchy.com/2012/11/11/david-mcculloug...

Keep him blind to all else that moves
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Mayela wrote:
10 Myths About Immigration
how long it took for their ancestors to stop using their first language.“Earlier immigrant groups held onto their cultures fiercely,” notes Reimers.“When the United States entered the First World War [in 1917], there were over 700 German-language newspapers. Yet, German immigration had peaked in the 1870s.”
While today’s immigrants may speak their first language at home, two-thirds of those older than 5 speak English “well” or “very well” according to research by the independent, nonpartisan Migration Policy Institute. And the demand for adult ESL instruction in the United States far outstrips available classes.
http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-39-s...
Mufasa's ghost: "You have forgotten who you are
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/quotations/movies...
If so many immigrant children speak English why do so many children of illegal aliens not speak English? It is true that honest hard working people devote more time and money to their children than criminals do.
One must remember that ESL was not offered to German immigrants in the 1800's or 1900's though German families rarly allowed their children to speak anything but English in or out of the home. The same is true for Italians and most other immigrants or the period.

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