Kids Not Taken From Parents

Kids Not Taken From Parents

There are 259 comments on the WKRG-TV Mobile story from Dec 11, 2011, titled Kids Not Taken From Parents. In it, WKRG-TV Mobile reports that:

Alabama's governor and the head of the child welfare agency say the state's new immigration law has not been used to take children from their illegal immigrant parents despite earlier fears.

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barry

Henagar, AL

#172 Feb 3, 2012
copperpossum wrote:
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From Albertville to Rainsville...'Meth Mountain'.Buddy is a LEO in that area,said illegals are fleeing the area.
As for questioning 'my character',you advocate people illegally enter and stay in a country.Might want to check a mirror...
you also are avoiding the issue by trying to deflect to an insult;

"however we are talking about kids born here who know nothing of that culture whom their parents chose not to take back to that culture. you would be forcing American citizens, innocent children into that culture. i really have to question the value of your character if you would really want to force children into that culture."

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#173 Feb 3, 2012
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i see that you still have not answered the question;
"now are you one of those who would send American citizens into such a situation aganst their will?"
or maybe you're to ashamed to answer it.
When a person is deported it is not our responsibility to find them a nice home. They are totally responsible for their lives, where they go and how they live. Don't put their sad stories off on us to fix. We deport, where they choose to go is up to them, they simply can't not live here.

Would you adopt a bugler just because he broke into your home?

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#174 Feb 3, 2012
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you also are avoiding the issue by trying to deflect to an insult;
"however we are talking about kids born here who know nothing of that culture whom their parents chose not to take back to that culture. you would be forcing American citizens, innocent children into that culture. i really have to question the value of your character if you would really want to force children into that culture."
Here is some's values to question. If you break our laws and cheat our system this is a very real possibility of what could happen to you. Why would a parent take this risk with children they claim to love?

Stolen Babies? Immigrant Mother Loses Four Kids
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stolen-babies-m...

Now that is reality and it is not the fault of anyone posting here.
barry

Henagar, AL

#175 Feb 3, 2012
Ralff wrote:
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Raising them. That means providing everything here until they are adults,
Maslow’s Heirachy Of Basic Needs
Maslow's Heirachy of Basic Needs maintains that unless a human’s basic first-level needs (health, food, water, sleep) and second-level needs (shelter, safety) are met, then a human is unable to rise up through the ladder (and reach happiness). Maslow's Heirachy looks like this:
1. Physiological (biological needs - health, food, water, sleep)
2. Safety (shelter, removal from danger)
3. Love/belonging (affection, being a part of groups)
4. Status (self esteem and esteem from others)
5. Actualization (achieving individual potential)
http://www.foodwatershelter.org.au/values.asp...
apparently there aredifferent interpretations and opinions of maslow's theory;

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs in Child Development: Maslow's hierarchy states that the lower, primary needs must be adequately satisfied before the higher need can be addressed and "self-actualization" achieved.
1. Children need to experience security and physical well-being.
2. Children need to love and be loved.
3. Children need to belong.
4. Children need to achieve competence.
5. Children need to know.
6. Children need to experience beauty and order (aesthetics and cognitive knowledge).
http://theliterarylink.com/understanding.html

anyway most of level one and level two in either version can be summed up by saftey. while some will say food and shelter are most important others would say that saftey is more in mportant. but really food and shelter are a large part of saftey and security. so while you use maslow as your foundation to judge parents you are the one who is advocating for those parents to take their American citizen children and their children brought here back into a situation of drugs, crime, rape, housing that is below substandard and an economy that greatly limits the quality of their diets. in short where "health, food, water, sleep)
2. Safety (shelter, removal from danger)" can not be adequetly provided.

in short you call them bad parents for leaving them here when in effect they are just naturally meeting the first two levels of your concept of maslow's theory of good parenting by doing so.

so does maslow support you or condemn you?
barry

Henagar, AL

#176 Feb 3, 2012
Ralff wrote:
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When a person is deported it is not our responsibility to find them a nice home. They are totally responsible for their lives, where they go and how they live. Don't put their sad stories off on us to fix. We deport, where they choose to go is up to them, they simply can't not live here.
Would you adopt a bugler just because he broke into your home?
this conversation is not about people who have been lawfully deported. it is about your efforts to force American citizen children out of our country into dangerous and sub standard situations. and your condemnation of parents who would choose to leave their children here. you are just deflecting because you obviously don't want to answere the question.

"now are you one of those who would send American citizens into such a situation aganst their will?"
or maybe you're to ashamed to answer it.
barry

Henagar, AL

#177 Feb 3, 2012
Ralff wrote:
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Here is some's values to question. If you break our laws and cheat our system this is a very real possibility of what could happen to you. Why would a parent take this risk with children they claim to love?
Stolen Babies? Immigrant Mother Loses Four Kids
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stolen-babies-m...
Now that is reality and it is not the fault of anyone posting here.
your link went to this;
ICE Memo: Don't Detain Caregivers for Handicapped
In 2009, while Reyes Jimenez was already in detention, the Obama administration announced it would address problems within the country's rapidly expanding immigration detention system. Since then, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has been clear in its priorities: criminal aliens and those who pose a threat to national security should be detained and deported first.

In June of 2010, ICE released a memo that said immigration officers are encouraged to consider a person's "family relationships" in the country when deciding whether or not to prosecute a deportation case.

In a statement to ABC News, ICE spokesman Brian Hale said that, "as outlined in the agency's June 2010 Civil Enforcement Priorities memo, ICE will typically not detain individuals who are the primary caretakers of children, unless the individual is legally subjected to mandatory detention based on the severity of their criminal or immigration history."

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READ the full ICE statement.

The 2010 memo also said officers should consider whether the person has children who are U.S. citizens and "whether the person is the primary caretaker of a person with a mental or physical disability." Particular care should be taken in cases concerning "pregnant or nursing women."

hardly on topic, you think?
barry

Henagar, AL

#178 Feb 3, 2012
Ralff wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is some's values to question. If you break our laws and cheat our system this is a very real possibility of what could happen to you. Why would a parent take this risk with children they claim to love?
Stolen Babies? Immigrant Mother Loses Four Kids
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/stolen-babies-m...
Now that is reality and it is not the fault of anyone posting here.
found the pages you meant to post.
she probably will win on appeal as procedures in the handling of her case were clearly not followed on all sides of the issue. if she wins then she probably will win a large financial settlement. however there always is the possibilty that we are not being told the whole story. like what happened to the father? what were his charges? this is so out of sinc with normal foster care procedures that either she wins and gets a settlement or there is more to the story.
it is off topic as she wanted to take them with her and you therefore think that she is a great mother.

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#179 Feb 3, 2012
barry wrote:
<quoted text>i see that you still have not answered the question;
"now are you one of those who would send American citizens into such a situation aganst their will?"
or maybe you're to ashamed to answer it.
OK-I'll bite....children should go with parents,if child hasn't reached age of consent.If the parent decides to leave citizen child in the U.S.,that is the parents' decision to make.As far as the narcothugs in Mexico/Central America;are they all French,and just parachute into the country to set up drug distribution networks? Or are they home-grown slime,preying on their own people?
barry

Henagar, AL

#180 Feb 3, 2012
copperpossum wrote:
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OK-I'll bite....children should go with parents,if child hasn't reached age of consent.If the parent decides to leave citizen child in the U.S.,that is the parents' decision to make.As far as the narcothugs in Mexico/Central America;are they all French,and just parachute into the country to set up drug distribution networks? Or are they home-grown slime,preying on their own people?
thankyou. but then we always knew that right or wrong you never were a coward. that is the legal standing and i don't think that we or anyone should have the right to change it. if the parents wanto take them that is their right as parents. if they want to leave them that is their right and the right of their citizen children to stay. no one should force a family to take their citizen children into a place that they feel is unsafe.

now as for your question the answer is a little more complicated then it appears. but just think of this, do the politiciansand the business people of these contries really look like stereotipical latinos?
http://www.unhcr.org/3c064aab4.html
just posted for the picture. remember president fox? did he look like the latinos that you see here all around you?
http://www.google.com/imgres...
sorry but this is mexico's richest....interesting.

Since: Jun 10

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#181 Feb 3, 2012
Juan wrote:
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You would never say that too my face.......
Spelling police here...it's to my face, not too my face. Example: I went to the store. I had too many apples in my basket. Take English 101 Juan.

Since: Jan 12

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#182 Feb 3, 2012
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you also are avoiding the issue by trying to deflect to an insult;
"however we are talking about kids born here who know nothing of that culture whom their parents chose not to take back to that culture. you would be forcing American citizens, innocent children into that culture. i really have to question the value of your character if you would really want to force children into that culture."
http://www.khou.com/news/local/HPD-Circumstan...

Is this the culture you are talking about? The kids learn from their parents.

HOUSTON – The mother of a 5-year-old girl who was found dead at a southwest Houston apartment Tuesday night has confessed to killing and abusing the child, HPD Homicide investigators said Wednesday.
Charges of injury to a child, a first-degree felony, were pending against 41-year-old Rosa Gonzalez.
Investigators were called to Gonzalez’s home at the Pier Club apartments, located in the 9900 block of Club Creek, around 8:30 p.m. Tuesday.
They found the victim, 5-year-old Candy Flores, unresponsive in the apartment.
Paramedics tried to revive the girl, but she was pronounced dead at the scene.
Police said the mother initially told them that Candy had fallen off of the toilet and hit her head on the tile floor.
But investigators on Wednesday said Gonzalez later confessed to killing Candy.&#12288;Gonzalez, who has nine other children, reportedly told investigators that she had been beating and abusing Candy for years.
None of the other children was abused, police said, though they did not say why Candy was targeted.
HPD Homicide Sgt. Bobby Roberts told KHOU 11 News that Candy was severely malnourished at the time of her death.
"The child was in very bad shape. She was gonna be six this year, and appeared about the size of a 3-year-old. Very little, very malnourished, very awful – awful," Sgt. Roberts said.
Police said some of Gonzalez’s other children are grown, but the ones who were still living in the home were in CPS custody Wednesday.
Neighbors said the family had just moved into the apartment about four months ago. Investigators said Gonzalez is in the country illegally.
The child’s body was sent to the Harris County Institute of Forensic Sciences for autopsy Tuesday night to determine an exact cause of death, but it was not clear when those results would be available.
Pending the outcome of the autopsy, the charges against Gonzalez could be upgraded to capital murder, police said.

Another article said that their were 12 people living in their 2 bedroom apt.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#183 Feb 3, 2012
barry wrote:
<quoted text>you also are avoiding the issue by trying to deflect to an insult;
"however we are talking about kids born here who know nothing of that culture whom their parents chose not to take back to that culture. you would be forcing American citizens, innocent children into that culture. i really have to question the value of your character if you would really want to force children into that culture."
Again, the parents teach their kids their culture. If it is legal in Mexico to have sex and molest 12 yr olds, then they claim they don't know any better when they come here. Do you really believe that the parents are going to let their culture go when they come here?
I guess you don't want this man punished since he 'isn't a threat to national security'. Just a threat to children isn't good enough. This is a news story from 2007.

BILL O'REILLY, HOST: Now for the "Top Story" tonight. How could something like this happen in northern Wisconsin. Joining us, a former D.A. of Waukesha County Paul Bucher, and from Washington, FOX News criminal analyst Detective Rod Wheeler, who has been talking to local cops. What did you find out about the case, detective?
ROD WHEELER, FOX NEWS CRIMINAL ANALYST: Bill, if there ever was an abomination of justice this is exactly what that is. I cannot believe for the life of me, and nor can the police up there, the sheriff's office that I spoke with today, they were just as stunned because of the fact that it was nothing that they could really do. And you know, Bill, we've talked about this several times before.
Local law enforcement, their hands are tied in terms of what they can do. They must operate by the orders of the court. And when this judge or this commissioner up in Wisconsin let this guy walk, the cops were livid about it and they had every right to be so.
O'REILLY: Now, Mr. Bucher, maybe you can explain, this is the judge, Atkinson. He didn't make the bail assignment. OK? A man named, as I said, Lawrence Gazley, a commissioner made the bail assignment. Couldn't the judge say that's ridiculous. You don't give an illegal alien who is a flight risk $5,000 bond when he is charged with a felony child sexual assault. Couldn't the judge have stepped in here?

Since: Jan 12

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#184 Feb 3, 2012
PAUL BUCHER, FORMER WISCONSIN PROSECUTOR: Sure, Bill. And I'm sure that's what he is saying today. But he probably is hearing about it just as we heard about it. The judge really doesn't see the case until the next court date. So this is a court commissioner. This is sort of the entry into the system.
This is a person that is not even elected. Court commissioners are appointed. So this person made the decision. They're not held responsible for it. The judge I'm sure is livid. But now the judge is...
O'REILLY: I don't know if he is livid or not. I mean, look. You are telling me this is some low level bureaucrat, not elected, I guess he has to be an attorney correct, this guy?
BUCHER: That's correct. Right.
O'REILLY: He is there. He is a bureaucrat. All the people who the sheriff's office arrests in northern Wisconsin, they go to him or somebody like him and they decide what the bond will be. Is that what you are telling me?
BUCHER: Bill, it's like that in the entire state. And the judge will see him when he returns to court. What are the odds do you think of this illegal immigrant returning to court.
O'REILLY: He is supposed to show up tomorrow, Mr. Bucher. If I were him I wouldn't show up. The guy's got two previous beefs. He is facing 25 years for the molestation of this girl, if convicted. He's already been deported and came back. So I mean, number one, ICE should have him. Because this is a serious allegation. The feds should have come right in and taken him away. They don't care. They didn't do it. Right detective? I'm sure they contacted the feds.
WHEELER: You are exactly right, Bill. The problem is much larger than just this one case. This is a terrible situation. What happened to this young girl. But you know what, illegal immigrants already know the courts are either going to look the other way, our Congress, our representatives look the other way because it's not politically correct. And they take advantage of that situation. So I think this situation is very indicative, Bill, of a trend that we see happening in the United States.
O'REILLY: Of course it is.
WHEELER: Let me tell you, there are 80,000 illegal immigrants right now in the United States that have active arrest warrants out for their arrest from murder to rape to shoplifting. Take your pick.
BUCHER: Here is the problem, I bet the federal immigration authorities didn't even know about this case. Because the sheriff assumed the court told them. The court assumed the sheriff told them. The D.A. said it's not my job. That's the problem. There's a hole in the system. There's a way to fix it but in this case it's just indicative of the problems.
O'REILLY: So it is possible neither the sheriff's office nor court contacted ICE, the national security people, about hey we've got an illegal alien, already deported the guy, he's back again and now charged with molesting a 12-year-old girl.
All right, tomorrow .
BUCHER: I'm willing to bet on it.
O'REILLY: Now tomorrow this guy is suppose to show up in front of Gazley again. All right. Now of course we're going to watch this case to see if he does show up. But Atkinson, the judge, has to step in if he does show up and raise the bail to an appropriate level. Does he not?
BUCHER: I think there will be a lot of people stepping in, Bill. I think now that ICE is aware of this case it would not surprise me if they grab this guy and put him in custody. But I think he is gone by now. Number two, this commissioner will raise bail. And number three, the D.A. will probably be going in either with a court commissioner or a new judge to significantly increase bail. But it's going to have to be in absentia. Because I can't imagine this guy is going to return.
O'REILLY: Well, if he doesn't show up then Gazely's got to be fired, correct.
BUCHER: Absolutely.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,241899,00...

Ralff

“United We Stand”

Since: Dec 11

Divided We Fall

#185 Feb 3, 2012
barry wrote:
<quoted text>found the pages you meant to post.
she probably will win on appeal as procedures in the handling of her case were clearly not followed on all sides of the issue. if she wins then she probably will win a large financial settlement. however there always is the possibilty that we are not being told the whole story. like what happened to the father? what were his charges? this is so out of sinc with normal foster care procedures that either she wins and gets a settlement or there is more to the story.
it is off topic as she wanted to take them with her and you therefore think that she is a great mother.
Number 1, you don't tell me what I think, I tell you.
and 2, the mother is at fault for putting her children at risk.
Stop twisting scumbag.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#186 Feb 4, 2012
Camilla wrote:
<quoted text>Have you ever thought about doing things legally??
Yes I have, but it wouldn't do anything for me except cost extra money.

Since: Jan 12

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#187 Feb 4, 2012
Juan wrote:
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Yes I have, but it wouldn't do anything for me except cost extra money.
You just gave me another reason to want you out of our country. Not only do you mooch off of taxpayers, you have no intention of becoming a contributing member of society.

Since: Jan 12

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#188 Feb 4, 2012
Juan wrote:
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Yes I have, but it wouldn't do anything for me except cost extra money.
And you are costing ME extra money. A real man would not be proud of that, but ashamed as you should be, mooching off others and not capable of supporting yourself or your offspring.
Juan

Pearland, TX

#189 Feb 5, 2012
You forget, this is america, if one cannot take care of all their needs the government will help. That is why america is special and why everyone wants to come here.
ima

El Paso, TX

#190 Feb 5, 2012
Juan wrote:
You forget, this is america, if one cannot take care of all their needs the government will help. That is why america is special and why everyone wants to come here.
You think our government is kind, huh? well how about you doing something to show you appreciate our government's kindness? My government doesn't owe you a thing especially when you're here illegally and you offer NOTHING IN RETURN for all you've received--you won't even try to legalize yourself so you can pay income tax thus returning a small amount back FOR ALL YOU'VE MOOCHED OFF of our government's kindness. You sloth.
ima

El Paso, TX

#191 Feb 5, 2012
Another thing Juan, America won't remain SPECIAL for too much longer--look at California and where it's headed, that state is DOOMED and with all of you illegals undeservingly demanding this and that--OUR TEXAS may be next and you Juan will have played a big part in Texas' down fall. Don't see you worried about it as we citizens are, why should you be? this isn't your country, "americaized mexican". Funny.

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