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Last-minute wrangling on sweeping immigration bill Last-minute...

There are 107 comments on the USA Today story from Jun 24, 2013, titled Last-minute wrangling on sweeping immigration bill Last-minute.... In it, USA Today reports that:

An immigration bill that would have far-reaching implications is drawing a lot of last-minute controversy before a Monday evening vote An immigration bill that would have far-reaching implications is drawing a lot of last-minute controversy before a Monday evening vote The Senate is scheduled to vote on an immigration amendment introduced by Sen.

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See the Light

United States

#82 Jun 27, 2013
America is now Mexico no.2 thanks to Democrappers!
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#83 Jun 27, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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While I agree that the Republicans have alienated groups of people based on their “moral” beliefs that directly conflict with conservative political beliefs the immigration issue or more correctly the amnesty issue is not from the anti-amnesty side based on racism but common sense. It is the pro-illegal side that has made it a racial issue. The desire to keep criminals out of the country, reduce crime, allow all Americans to make a livable wage, decrease unemployment and poverty do not make a person a racist.
Personally I am pro-choice, support gay marriage, for keeping religion, all religion out of school and many other things that I feel are directly in line with a conservative political philosophy. The fact that right wing Republicans are opposed to those things does bother me but none of those issues will have a more detrimental effect on me, my family or future generations than granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here and undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans. I will do what I can to prevent such a greedy and ill conceived law from being enacted. Even if it means voting Republican.
Being against amnesty and open borders is not anti-Hispanic but supporting such things is anti-American because it does not serve the interests of this country or it people.
I understand your argument against amnesty and find it reasonable. As you note, to be against amnesty is not necessarily a result of racism. I do, however, not share your fear that “granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here” would “undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans.” While there must be a population saturation point beyond which your concerns would be realized, population growth offers opportunity for economic expansion with increased demand for goods and services and increased supply of human resources to provide them, pay taxes and further stimulate the economy by consuming goods and services. In other words, the economy is not a zero-sum game. This was true when your and my forefathers came here to build a future for our families and our economy, and it’s still true. Assimilation always involves conflict and takes some time, but it does not destroy us. It makes us more diverse and stronger.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#84 Jun 27, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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Mocking, actually. Try reading for meaning once in awhile, tool.
You're the one with the Crystal Ball with the ivory liquid on it. Wipe your chin.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#85 Jun 27, 2013
Senate passes Immigration Bill........Tell House to put it the same play Harry Reid put their bills till Reid brings them to the floor.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#86 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
No one listens to a basement creep from location hidden.

hahahahahahahahahahaha
NYM8387

Lawrence, MA

#87 Jun 27, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
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No one listens to a basement creep from location hidden.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
The house will sh!t on that Bill,hahahahahaha
Angered American

Rochester, MN

#88 Jun 27, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
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No one listens to a basement creep from location hidden.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
so you admit no listens to you....alrighty then good.
Dont worry you can still be on your parents insurance until you are 26, after that they will want you out
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#89 Jun 27, 2013
Angered American wrote:
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You're creepier since nutjob bachmann gave up politics for the corndog tour.

hahahahahahahahahahaha
chicagonut

Coachella, CA

#90 Jun 27, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I understand your argument against amnesty and find it reasonable. As you note, to be against amnesty is not necessarily a result of racism. I do, however, not share your fear that “granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here” would “undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans.” While there must be a population saturation point beyond which your concerns would be realized, population growth offers opportunity for economic expansion with increased demand for goods and services and increased supply of human resources to provide them, pay taxes and further stimulate the economy by consuming goods and services. In other words, the economy is not a zero-sum game. This was true when your and my forefathers came here to build a future for our families and our economy, and it’s still true. Assimilation always involves conflict and takes some time, but it does not destroy us. It makes us more diverse and stronger.
You couldn't be more wrong about how they will affect our economy and tax coffers. How is amnestying mostly Mexican and other Latino illegals "diversity"?

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#91 Jun 27, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>You're the one with the Crystal Ball with the ivory liquid on it. Wipe your chin.
Extreme gibberish. No sense to that post whatsoever. Time for your meds!
Creepy Azz Cracker

United States

#92 Jun 27, 2013
I bet all the money in my pocket right now this is as far as this illegal alien bill will go. They cannot bull doze the Congress, and it is not finished yet.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#93 Jun 27, 2013
chicagonut wrote:
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You couldn't be more wrong about how they will affect our economy and tax coffers. How is amnestying mostly Mexican and other Latino illegals "diversity"?
While we could just take your word for it, it would be immensely more interesting and informative if you could specify how you believe amnesty will adversely “affect our economy and tax coffers.” If you’re familiar with economics, you must know that more taxpayers means increased revenues, as well as increased demand for goods and services and increased manpower to provide them — in short, increased economic growth and prosperity for stakeholders.

You also asked,“How is amnestying mostly Mexican and other Latino illegals [sic]“diversity?” Sorting through this formulation, I can only clarify that amnesty is an official pardon for illegality. It is not diversity, which refers only to variety. We are a nation of immigrants from all areas of the world, which makes us culturally diverse. Each infusion serves to enhance our diversity, keeping us young and always changing, renewing and re-energizing.

Thanks for (hopefully) challenging my position and asking me to address the issue of the relationship, or lack thereof, between amnesty and diversity.

“Hillary, thirty years of lying”

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#94 Jun 28, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
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Extreme gibberish. No sense to that post whatsoever. Time for your meds!
Watchdog knocks down Dem claim that liberal groups were targeted by IRS

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#95 Jun 28, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text> Watchdog knocks down Dem claim that liberal groups were targeted by IRS
I already disproved that one yesterday. Got anything else, putz?
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#96 Jun 28, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I understand your argument against amnesty and find it reasonable. As you note, to be against amnesty is not necessarily a result of racism. I do, however, not share your fear that “granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here” would “undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans.” While there must be a population saturation point beyond which your concerns would be realized, population growth offers opportunity for economic expansion with increased demand for goods and services and increased supply of human resources to provide them, pay taxes and further stimulate the economy by consuming goods and services. In other words, the economy is not a zero-sum game. This was true when your and my forefathers came here to build a future for our families and our economy, and it’s still true. Assimilation always involves conflict and takes some time, but it does not destroy us. It makes us more diverse and stronger.
The point of saturation has been realized already. Unemployment is at its highest since 1976 based on the number of people per capita not working. Wages have been stagnant for years especially for entry level jobs. While immigration is good for the country it needs to be controlled. We do not need millions of poorly educated, criminally inclined people added to our economy. If we need low skilled workers then at least let us bring in honest people who apply to their government and ours to enter and have background checks and health checks rather than criminals who sneak after making deals with smugglers.
We also do not need to as, the corporate community is demanding, to add millions of semi skilled and skilled workers to our work force under indentured servant style rules to supplant American workers.
The current deal in Congress is that if we allow millions of illegal aliens to stay as the Democrats want we have to allow millions of skilled and semi-skilled workers to come here to work cheap and fill the jobs that both citizens and the newly legal immigrants will be looking to fill to make Republicans happy (richer).
All this at a time of recession and high unemployment. remember that there are fewer working age Americans every year and yet look at unemployment rates. We cannot at this time increase the number of immigrants especially illegal immigrants without reducing the quality of life for the average American. Of course for the wealthy lower wages and higher prices equal profit and they have those they will profit from convinced that it is a good thing.
NYM8387

Lawrence, MA

#97 Jun 28, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I understand your argument against amnesty and find it reasonable. As you note, to be against amnesty is not necessarily a result of racism. I do, however, not share your fear that “granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens and inviting even more people to come here” would “undercut wages and decrease the quality of life for all Americans.” While there must be a population saturation point beyond which your concerns would be realized, population growth offers opportunity for economic expansion with increased demand for goods and services and increased supply of human resources to provide them, pay taxes and further stimulate the economy by consuming goods and services. In other words, the economy is not a zero-sum game. This was true when your and my forefathers came here to build a future for our families and our economy, and it’s still true. Assimilation always involves conflict and takes some time, but it does not destroy us. It makes us more diverse and stronger.
It's so obvious you're a Mexican.where do you see diversity when 90% of this nations immigration comes from one country?
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#98 Jun 28, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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The point of saturation has been realized already. Unemployment is at its highest since 1976 based on the number of people per capita not working. Wages have been stagnant for years especially for entry level jobs. While immigration is good for the country it needs to be controlled. We do not need millions of poorly educated, criminally inclined people added to our economy. If we need low skilled workers then at least let us bring in honest people who apply to their government and ours to enter and have background checks and health checks rather than criminals who sneak after making deals with smugglers.
We also do not need to as, the corporate community is demanding, to add millions of semi skilled and skilled workers to our work force under indentured servant style rules to supplant American workers.
The current deal in Congress is that if we allow millions of illegal aliens to stay as the Democrats want we have to allow millions of skilled and semi-skilled workers to come here to work cheap and fill the jobs that both citizens and the newly legal immigrants will be looking to fill to make Republicans happy (richer).
All this at a time of recession and high unemployment. remember that there are fewer working age Americans every year and yet look at unemployment rates. We cannot at this time increase the number of immigrants especially illegal immigrants without reducing the quality of life for the average American. Of course for the wealthy lower wages and higher prices equal profit and they have those they will profit from convinced that it is a good thing.
I believe that we are far from “saturation” at this point and that our economy has rich potential for expansion. We need to decrease unemployment by returning middle class jobs — skilled, and yes, semi-skilled — to our shores. More jobs for more Americans!
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#99 Jun 28, 2013
NYM8387 wrote:
<quoted text> It's so obvious you're a Mexican.where do you see diversity when 90% of this nations immigration comes from one country?
¿Así pues, por qué usted me cree es mexicano?
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#100 Jun 28, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I believe that we are far from “saturation” at this point and that our economy has rich potential for expansion. We need to decrease unemployment by returning middle class jobs — skilled, and yes, semi-skilled — to our shores. More jobs for more Americans!
We are at saturation for the current economic conditions. We have regulated jobs out of the country with taxes, environmental and labor laws and a host of conflicting regulations and policies while importing more workers both legally and illegally. The legal immigrants tend to boost the economy and they thrive even more in subsequent generations. Illegal immigrants on the other hand have a negative effect on the economy and tend to fail in subsequent generations. Waving a magic wand in Washington that makes all these criminals and those criminals that employ, exploit and support them “legal” is not going to anything to change that.
I wish I could share you view that this is the land of milk and honey and we can continue to expand and support more people but I am a realist who sees that there are limits to the available resources even in the United States.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#101 Jun 28, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
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We are at saturation for the current economic conditions. We have regulated jobs out of the country with taxes, environmental and labor laws and a host of conflicting regulations and policies while importing more workers both legally and illegally. The legal immigrants tend to boost the economy and they thrive even more in subsequent generations. Illegal immigrants on the other hand have a negative effect on the economy and tend to fail in subsequent generations. Waving a magic wand in Washington that makes all these criminals and those criminals that employ, exploit and support them “legal” is not going to anything to change that.
I wish I could share you view that this is the land of milk and honey and we can continue to expand and support more people but I am a realist who sees that there are limits to the available resources even in the United States.
We all believe we’re “realists.” We just disagree on some finer points of what constitutes reality.

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