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Big rise in illegal immigrants in Southeast

There are 493 comments on the MSNBC story from Feb 23, 2010, titled Big rise in illegal immigrants in Southeast. In it, MSNBC reports that:

When the Olympic Games came to Atlanta in 1996, a building boom transformed the landscape of downtown and brought with it an influx of Latino immigrants a ' both legal and illegal.

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Since: Feb 10

main street

#109 Feb 25, 2010
HoneyC wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm...interesting.
Egypt was never "white" to begin with. If you look closely at the reliefs and/or mummies of the pharaohs and their families from the majority of dynasties, they were obviously of African descent. It was just called Nubian at that time. It wasn't until the last dynasty that a family of Macedonian descent took over. See Alexander the Great for references.
Byzantium has been Caucasian for all time. If you consider Middle Easterners "non-white", okay, but they are considered Caucasian, as well. After all, they are closer to the Caucasus region than any lily white American.
Rhodesia falls under "you cannot be serious." Rhodesia is smack dab in the midst of Africa and was majority black, both before independence from Great Britain and after. Whites were always the minority in Rhodesia. Just because they had power for a short while during colonization and for an even shorter time after independence will scarcely qualify them as a majority white country. But, I feel pretty safe in saying Rhodesia was ALL black when the British showed up.
South Africa is "see Rhodesia." It was ALL black until the Dutch arrived. A minority of whites gained power, but they were in the minority from Day One, and after what they did there, I kind of think they deserve everything they've gotten. I'm pretty sure there are still white people in South Africa as I write this, so they haven't been exterminated. They've just been removed from being all-powerful.
You absolutely cannot take a colonial country that whites took over and use it as an example of how when whites became the minority, they were exterminated. If you can find a country along the lines of Sweden or France, that was historically nothing but white and then wasn't, your earlier statement might apply. However, you give me a list of countries that overwhelmingly were ALL black prior to the white man's arrival (leaving Byzantium off the list) and want to use that to illustrate your point. That's not going to work, sorry. Broad sweeping statements will get you nowhere. Keep looking. And don't bother with YouTube. I don't use YouTube for historical accuracy.
I see the point being that these were countries under minority rule until it was abolished. What do you think about it on those terms?
tc contender

Charlotte, NC

#110 Feb 26, 2010
Mexican wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah, you said that with the Blacks too! Remember, y'all got your Confederate asses kicked in the Civil War!!
Has Mexico ever won a war and won? Hell, every story I read has hundreds of troops getting killed by a couple of drug dealers.
SKI

Henderson, NV

#111 Feb 26, 2010
Easy problem to resolve, round them up, ship them home, send troops to the border with shoot to kill orders. Problem solved.
Cajun Nation

Ponchatoula, LA

#112 Feb 26, 2010
Mexican wrote:
We decided it's time to take over the South from all of those Confederate fools and rednecks!
His name calling and racism gives all of us "Confederate fools and Rednecks" the right to kill every Mexican on site.

Since: Nov 09

Montréal, Canada

#113 Feb 26, 2010
For a the stunning Maddox Park. In case you feel like calming, Maddox Park is a put in a good word for lawns to walk. Maddox Park is unquestionably a spot that you just better experience while in Atlanta.
Veritatis

Orlando, FL

#115 Feb 26, 2010
HoneyC wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm...interesting.
Egypt was never "white" to begin with. If you look closely at the reliefs and/or mummies of the pharaohs and their families from the majority of dynasties, they were obviously of African descent. It was just called Nubian at that time. It wasn't until the last dynasty that a family of Macedonian descent took over. See Alexander the Great for references.
The colors the Egyptians used were symbolic. The men were often depicted as red women white. All the forensic evidence indicates that when Egyptian civilization was in it's heyday the Egyptians were white. The decline of Egyptian Civilization is marked by an increase in race mixing to the point where they had mixed race Pharaohs. Odd how history repeats itself.
Byzantium has been Caucasian for all time. If you consider Middle Easterners "non-white", okay, but they are considered Caucasian, as well. After all, they are closer to the Caucasus region than any lily white American.
Byzantium rose to power as part of the Roman Empire. It was Greco-Roman. The Greeks and the Romans were white. Blond hair and blue eyed white. While yes they inhabitants of that area are considered Caucasian I doubt that you would find very many that would identify themselves with the white race.
Rhodesia falls under "you cannot be serious." Rhodesia is smack dab in the midst of Africa and was majority black, both before independence from Great Britain and after. Whites were always the minority in Rhodesia. Just because they had power for a short while during colonization and for an even shorter time after independence will scarcely qualify them as a majority white country. But, I feel pretty safe in saying Rhodesia was ALL black when the British showed up.
Under white rule Rhodesia was a flourishing country. The bread basket of Europe. Everyone including the blacks had a higher standard of living than they have today. While whites were always a minority there, when they gave up power the first thing the black majority did was ethnically cleanse the country of white people.
What makes you think things will be different when white people are a Minority in the United States and in Europe?
Or are you suggesting that white people will or should retain power when they become a minority?
Veritatis

Orlando, FL

#116 Feb 26, 2010
South Africa is "see Rhodesia." It was ALL black until the Dutch arrived. A minority of whites gained power, but they were in the minority from Day One, and after what they did there, I kind of think they deserve everything they've gotten. I'm pretty sure there are still white people in South Africa as I write this, so they haven't been exterminated. They've just been removed from being all-powerful.[QUOTE]
You are completely wrong about South Africa. When white people arrived there most of South Africa was very sparsely populated by Bushman and Hottentots. Both distinct racial groups very different from the Sub Saharan African tribes that dominate the area now. The Xhosa moved down form the north after the Boer and the British had built a thriving economy. The Zulu were there and fought bravely against both the Boer and the British. The Zulu didn't want their country taken over by another race. Imagine that. Anyway peace treaty were signed with the Zulu giving them astronomy in their own regions. It is also of historical not that most Zulu did not side with the ANC in the years leading up to the end of Apartheid. As a result Nelson and Winny Mandela had their followers put burning tires around the necks of many Zulu.
But I digress this is about the genocide of white people going on there right now. According to Bishop Tutu's Truth and Reconciliation hearings a total of about 900 blacks were killed by whited during all the years of Apartheid, most of which happened in military conflicts. Since black rule began of 30,000 white men women and children have been murdered in the most horrible ways you can imagine.
But that doesn't matter you. You have already stated that you believe they had it coming. Even the little children.
[QUOTE]You absolutely cannot take a colonial country that whites took over and use it as an example of how when whites became the minority, they were exterminated. If you can find a country along the lines of Sweden or France, that was historically nothing but white and then wasn't, your earlier statement might apply. However, you give me a list of countries that overwhelmingly were ALL black prior to the white man's arrival (leaving Byzantium off the list) and want to use that to illustrate your point. That's not going to work, sorry. Broad sweeping statements will get you nowhere. Keep looking. And don't bother with YouTube. I don't use YouTube for historical accuracy.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the United States a Colony at one time?
If you believe that genocide is justified in South Africa, then I can see why you don't have a problem with genocide in the United States.
Veritatis

Orlando, FL

#117 Feb 26, 2010
HoneyC wrote:
<quoted text>Wow, I just figured you out. I must be slow on the uptake tonight. I do believe you are in the wrong forum. You need to head on back to the white hoodie wearing, cross burning one. Have a nice trip.
Typical. You have no real reply so you start name calling. In your opinion I am a racist.

Answer one thing. Are you like Obama's buddy Henry Louis Gates, looking forward to the time when we all look like Polynesians.

I am not and if you went to a black country say Haiti for example and said you were looking forward to a time when everyone there looked like Polynesians, what do you think the reaction of the people there would be?

If you went to Thailand and said you were looking foreword to a time when everyone there looked like Tiger Woods, what would any sane Thai think of you?

But when I say that I don't want my race, my people, blended into something that looks like Polynesia, I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionje w or a klansmanwhowantstolynchalltheb lacks.

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

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#118 Feb 26, 2010
Veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't the United States a Colony at one time?
If you believe that genocide is justified in South Africa, then I can see why you don't have a problem with genocide in the United States.
I believe she simply tried to inform you that you don't know the definitiion of genocide, you need history lessons, and she now sees clearly that you're a white suremacist. I wouldn't continue to provoke her. You'll only regret it.
Beannie Boy

West Plains, MO

#119 Feb 26, 2010
Cajun Nation wrote:
<quoted text>
His name calling and racism gives all of us "Confederate fools and Rednecks" the right to kill every Mexican on site.
If every one who ever served in the armed forces remembered their oath they can go to the border and legally shoot any person or persons illegally entering our country as a foreign threat !

Since: Dec 08

Western Chicago suburbs

#120 Feb 26, 2010
The real problem is that the corporate and political elites decided decades ago that it was in their interest to eliminate national borders for labor and capital flow. That way, capital can exploit the cheapest labor where ever it is. This was done under the rubric "free trade". NAFTA is an example. That's why manufacturing is moving to China at a great rate, and backoffice work is moving to India. In Europe, Eastern Europeans are flooding into Western Europe (the "Polish Plumber" phenomenon), along with Turks and Africans. In the US, it's Latin Americans, along with some Chinese and Poles. High unemployment, falling wages, and declining standard of living for the working class is the result. How bad things will get is beyond my capacity to say, but I don't think it's going to be good. Unless you're involved in international capital flow or international trade, or can position yourself as a flunky to those who are, the future doesn't look good.
Veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
What do you think is the real problem?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#121 Feb 26, 2010
Veritatis wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical. You have no real reply so you start name calling. In your opinion I am a racist.
Answer one thing. Are you like Obama's buddy Henry Louis Gates, looking forward to the time when we all look like Polynesians.
I am not and if you went to a black country say Haiti for example and said you were looking forward to a time when everyone there looked like Polynesians, what do you think the reaction of the people there would be?
If you went to Thailand and said you were looking foreword to a time when everyone there looked like Tiger Woods, what would any sane Thai think of you?
But when I say that I don't want my race, my people, blended into something that looks like Polynesia, I am a naziwhowantstokillsixmillionje w or a klansmanwhowantstolynchalltheb lacks.
But, for you, the description fits, so wear it proudly. I'm so white, I practically glow in the dark and I'm as about anti illegal immigration as one can be. However, I happen to disagree with apartheid policies and I wasn't alone in that. Using Rhodesia and South Africa as two of your prime examples of whites becoming extinct after becoming a minority when they were never anything but blew any iota of credibility you may have possessed. Twist and spin all you want, but when you start spouting off about the "white race" surviving, you lost my interest. I simply have no room for racists in my camp. I'll be dead and disintegrated by the time anyone starts changing shades, so I doubt I'll care. I challenged you to name a country where whites were the minority and became extinct as a result of other colors taking over. You failed the challenge, mainly because there is no recorded instance of that ever happening. Was that typical of you?

Since: Mar 08

Location hidden

#122 Feb 26, 2010
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>I believe she simply tried to inform you that you don't know the definitiion of genocide, you need history lessons, and she now sees clearly that you're a white suremacist. I wouldn't continue to provoke her. You'll only regret it.
There are many people who need history lessons. Gleaning one's history from the Bible or the Aryan Nations lecture series just isn't going to cut it. I should have seen it, though. I'll just chalk it up to a long week. The simple fact is most genocides that have happened in recorded history occur between people of the same colors and the genocide is based upon more intangible factors, such as religion or tribal affiliations. The United States has just as much blood on their hands as any other part of the world and that can never be condoned or explained away. Either way, it has nothing to do with a legitimate conversation about illegal aliens. If anyone's biggest fear is they'll be wiped out due to the color of their skin as a result, they have no business in the matter. They only serve to prove all the charges made against us are true and that's not something I'm interested in being associated with.

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#123 Feb 26, 2010
HoneyC wrote:
<quoted text>There are many people who need history lessons. Gleaning one's history from the Bible or the Aryan Nations lecture series just isn't going to cut it. I should have seen it, though. I'll just chalk it up to a long week. The simple fact is most genocides that have happened in recorded history occur between people of the same colors and the genocide is based upon more intangible factors, such as religion or tribal affiliations. The United States has just as much blood on their hands as any other part of the world and that can never be condoned or explained away. Either way, it has nothing to do with a legitimate conversation about illegal aliens. If anyone's biggest fear is they'll be wiped out due to the color of their skin as a result, they have no business in the matter. They only serve to prove all the charges made against us are true and that's not something I'm interested in being associated with.
Ditto.
black swan

Palm Bay, FL

#124 Feb 26, 2010
Mexican wrote:
<quoted text> Yeah, you said that with the Blacks too! Remember, y'all got your Confederate asses kicked in the Civil War!!
maybe we should get pewee herman to do the big shoe dance in front of the alamo for ya
black swan

Palm Bay, FL

#125 Feb 26, 2010
there were many documentaries already made about the mexicans who stand on all the corners in the atlanta area and wait for someone to pick them up
ocho ocho ocho ocho
they are flooding the homeless shelters and bread lines in chicago land
adios amigo
black swan

Palm Bay, FL

#126 Feb 26, 2010
wait... didn't the ex governor of arizona and head of the dhs just get done telling congress that everify only catches 50 percent of the illegals working here ?
so that means that if there are 12 million undocumented that only six million are working here illegally?
geez maybe if we can get them more union jobs and free helathcare then everything will be alright
we already got them free cars
how 'bout free tvs and appliances ?
and more unemployment ?
why not extend unemployment to lifetime benefits
then they wont have to send billions of dollars in social security payments to mexico anymore

there are now more government workers employed in this country that here are private sector employees

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#128 Feb 26, 2010
Zagg wrote:
The real problem is that the corporate and political elites decided decades ago that it was in their interest to eliminate national borders for labor and capital flow. That way, capital can exploit the cheapest labor where ever it is. This was done under the rubric "free trade". NAFTA is an example. That's why manufacturing is moving to China at a great rate, and backoffice work is moving to India. In Europe, Eastern Europeans are flooding into Western Europe (the "Polish Plumber" phenomenon), along with Turks and Africans. In the US, it's Latin Americans, along with some Chinese and Poles. High unemployment, falling wages, and declining standard of living for the working class is the result. How bad things will get is beyond my capacity to say, but I don't think it's going to be good. Unless you're involved in international capital flow or international trade, or can position yourself as a flunky to those who are, the future doesn't look good.
<quoted text>
Exactly. So, the question for Americans is whether we can find enough unity of purpose to ban together and vote across party lines in order to affect "change" from the status quo, while we figure out how to "hold the line" against globalists in order to preserve what little is left of the middle class in America.
Pug

Berwyn, IL

#131 Feb 26, 2010
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. So, the question for Americans is whether we can find enough unity of purpose to ban together and vote across party lines in order to affect "change" from the status quo, while we figure out how to "hold the line" against globalists in order to preserve what little is left of the middle class in America.
I do not believe that a true middle class exists. The blue collar jobs have slowly been outsourced. In the metro Chicago area there are fewer and fewer middle class jobs each year.

“Try Reuters.”

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#132 Feb 26, 2010
man on the street wrote:
<quoted text>I see the point being that these were countries under minority rule until it was abolished. What do you think about it on those terms?
I think abolishing minority rule is fine. In most instances, the minority exploited the majority for financial gain at the expense of the exploitees. Take your marbles and go home, or readjust to governance that permits direction by the majority of people for the most good for all participants - with protection for the minorities that THEY can't be exploited or abused down the road. But, if you've been abusive, don't expect any kind overtures should you decide to remain in place. It's not likely to continue to be a lucrative venture.

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