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Now That Mexican Border is Secure, Will Republicans Stop Blocking Immigration Reform?

There are 45 comments on the Crooks and Liars story from Apr 24, 2012, titled Now That Mexican Border is Secure, Will Republicans Stop Blocking Immigration Reform?. In it, Crooks and Liars reports that:

For years, the lame Republican excuse for blocking any and all comprehensive immigration reform has been a single, vapid phrase: " Secure the border first.

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“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#22 Apr 24, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Godd people don't speed? Please...
Speeding is a TRAFFIC OFFENSE, heard in TRAFFIC COURT.

Walking over our border without the proper paperwork is a FEDERAL CRIME -- A FEDERAL MISDEMEANOR. That *could* be heard in CRIMINAL COURT.

Working without authorization is also a CRIME and *could* be heard in criminal court.

There are many other *crimes* illegal aliens commit that *could* be heard in criminal court. However, in order to save time and taxpayer monies, they are heard in a civil hearing to deport the illegal alien. Civil proceedings do not provide a lawyer for anyone at the taxpayers' expense. Criminal proceedings do. The illegal aliens are given a break and have their cases heard in civil court so as to save the taxpayers' money and the courts' time.

You cannot compare speeding to the crimes illegal aliens commit.

Besides walking over the border without the proper paperwork, they commit:

Working without authorization;

Driving without a license;

Driving without insurance;

Being paid cash under the table;

Not paying taxes on ALL monies earned;

And so on...

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#24 Apr 24, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Godd people don't speed? Please...
No one ever said we do not have our homegrown criminals, but that does NOT mean we need to import more, in the form of foreign nationals, much less illegally so. So what if citizens speed? That means we must let illegal aliens into this country to do the same?

Really? I think not.

If a citizen is caught speeding, do you not think they must suffer the consequences of their actions?

Or do you think if they say they have managed to not be caught speeding for "x" number of years they will not only be given a pass on the speeding they were caught for, but also be given a free pass to continue to speed???

That is what illegal aliens are suggesting. Because they managed to avoid detection for "x" number of years they should be given a free pass to live and work here because they were never caught or never deported.

So what? Doing something for "x" number of years without getting caught does not give one the freedom to continue doing something without fear of being forced to suffer the consequences of one's actions.

If I'm caught speeding, I have to suffer the consequences of my actions. I don't get a free pass to continue speeding, or to pay a fine and thus I can speed any time I want.

They need to go home, get in line, and accept whatever decision is made on their application (good or bad).

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#25 Apr 24, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
Speeding is a TRAFFIC OFFENSE, heard in TRAFFIC COURT.
Walking over our border without the proper paperwork is a FEDERAL CRIME -- A FEDERAL MISDEMEANOR. That *could* be heard in CRIMINAL COURT.
Working without authorization is also a CRIME and *could* be heard in criminal court.
There are many other *crimes* illegal aliens commit that *could* be heard in criminal court. However, in order to save time and taxpayer monies, they are heard in a civil hearing to deport the illegal alien. Civil proceedings do not provide a lawyer for anyone at the taxpayers' expense. Criminal proceedings do. The illegal aliens are given a break and have their cases heard in civil court so as to save the taxpayers' money and the courts' time.
You cannot compare speeding to the crimes illegal aliens commit.
Besides walking over the border without the proper paperwork, they commit:
Working without authorization;
Driving without a license;
Driving without insurance;
Being paid cash under the table;
Not paying taxes on ALL monies earned;
And so on...
so you don't want these people here. good. you should work for a solution that will prevent them from coming here. "securing" the border has not worked, it will not work. Fixing the problem (the hiring of illegals) will work.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#26 Apr 24, 2012
Suwannee wrote:
<quoted text>
Duh..........they get on welfare. I don't need any posting from the morons stating otherwise. I know for a fact they can get on welfare if they have children , anchor brats or just brats.
Even a lot of the ones not here legally and who do not have children manage to get on the government dole. Obozo's aunt is a prime example. She lived in Section 8 housing, state funded housing, she had back surgery on the taxpayers' dime, etc. Did Obozo reimburse the taxpayers? Nope. He's a hypocritical arse who should be deported along with his illegal aunt. She should never have been allowed to stay. She was already ordered deported and she ignored it. She's a POS, as is Obozo.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#27 Apr 24, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so you don't want these people here. good. you should work for a solution that will prevent them from coming here. "securing" the border has not worked, it will not work. Fixing the problem (the hiring of illegals) will work.
If I go to a store and see an *easy* way to STEAL money, I do not take that option. Good people do not purposely break the law. They are NOT good people. We not only need to make their employers suffer the consequences of their actions, but we must also make the illegal aliens feel the consequences, as well.

All these bleeding heart liberals who say the illegal aliens feel this and that and cannot talk to law enforcement and are living in the shadows and are afraid of speaking to the police, etc. are nuts. So what if they are afraid. ALL CRIMINALS ARE AFRAID. No criminal wants to talk to law enforcement. We do not negate their crimes because it makes them afraid.

Punish BOTH employers and employees -- strictly -- and make it very uncomfortable for both. To suggest it's inhumane or racist or any other nonsense to make it uncomfortable for illegal aliens to be here is ridiculous and absurd. They *should* feel afraid and scared and uncomfortable, among other things.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#28 Apr 24, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so you don't want these people here. good. you should work for a solution that will prevent them from coming here. "securing" the border has not worked, it will not work. Fixing the problem (the hiring of illegals) will work.
By the way, we do not know if "securing the border" will work or not, as we have not yet secured the border.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#29 Apr 25, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
If I go to a store and see an *easy* way to STEAL money, I do not take that option. Good people do not purposely break the law. They are NOT good people. We not only need to make their employers suffer the consequences of their actions, but we must also make the illegal aliens feel the consequences, as well.
All these bleeding heart liberals who say the illegal aliens feel this and that and cannot talk to law enforcement and are living in the shadows and are afraid of speaking to the police, etc. are nuts. So what if they are afraid. ALL CRIMINALS ARE AFRAID. No criminal wants to talk to law enforcement. We do not negate their crimes because it makes them afraid.
Punish BOTH employers and employees -- strictly -- and make it very uncomfortable for both. To suggest it's inhumane or racist or any other nonsense to make it uncomfortable for illegal aliens to be here is ridiculous and absurd. They *should* feel afraid and scared and uncomfortable, among other things.
Why the rant against these people? am I arguing with you about it?

I guessed it was assumed that if an employer was caught with illegal workers the illegals would be deported.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#30 Apr 25, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
By the way, we do not know if "securing the border" will work or not, as we have not yet secured the border.
How will it stop the other third? How far up the coasts will you go with the razor wire? It will need to be "secured" forever.

Taking care of the problem, instead of treating a symptom would do it all and it would actually work.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#31 Apr 25, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Why the rant against these people? am I arguing with you about it?
I guessed it was assumed that if an employer was caught with illegal workers the illegals would be deported.
Not under Obozo'z watch they aren't. Yet they should be!

Obozo is overlooking the fact that not only is sneaking in here without the proper paperwork a federal misdemeanor, but working without authorization is a crime, as are the following:

driving without a license;

driving without insurance (or a bond, for those states that do not have mandatory insurance and instead allow a bond for anyone who doesn't care to have vehicle insurance);

being paid cash under the table;

using a social security number that does not belong to you, for any purpose, including work;

not paying taxes on ALL monies earned;

and so on...

So when Obozo claims the ones who have not committed crimes can stay, he's overlooking all these other crimes they most certainly commit.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#32 Apr 25, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>How will it stop the other third? How far up the coasts will you go with the razor wire? It will need to be "secured" forever.
Taking care of the problem, instead of treating a symptom would do it all and it would actually work.
If this country would stop catering to illegals and stop with their P.C. nonsense, we'd get them out really quickly.

Of course employers must be punished, but it's hard to catch some, such as those employing them as maids or groundskeepers. Thus, if we *also* make it really uncomfortable for them to be here, we'll be catching them twofold...at the employment level *and* with fitting into society as a whole.

If someone can't speak English, they damn well should have their papers checked and see if they are here legally or not. All businesses should be required to use e-verify, no exceptions.

The decision to allow their children into our schools was made with the caveat that these children were not a burden on the schools. Perhaps back then they weren't. At present time, they are. Stop providing any type of education for their illegal spawn.

And so on. Take away ALL incentives for them to be here, and take away ALL incentives for employers to hire them. Make sure companies are fined big, with prison time, when caught hiring them.
Dances with Wolves

Glen Burnie, MD

#33 Apr 25, 2012
Suwannee wrote:
The border is secure????? What a fk'ing laugh!
That was my first thought...LOL

My second thought was that statement is a blatant lie. The Mexican border is NOT secure, and I don't care who tries to pass that on as the truth. It is, in fact, a LIE.

And lastly, anyone who believes that lie and runs with it is a fool.
brad

Manchester, CT

#34 Apr 25, 2012
Rebel wrote:
<quoted text>
If this country would stop catering to illegals and stop with their P.C. nonsense, we'd get them out really quickly.
Of course employers must be punished, but it's hard to catch some, such as those employing them as maids or groundskeepers. Thus, if we *also* make it really uncomfortable for them to be here, we'll be catching them twofold...at the employment level *and* with fitting into society as a whole.
If someone can't speak English, they damn well should have their papers checked and see if they are here legally or not. All businesses should be required to use e-verify, no exceptions.
The decision to allow their children into our schools was made with the caveat that these children were not a burden on the schools. Perhaps back then they weren't. At present time, they are. Stop providing any type of education for their illegal spawn.
And so on. Take away ALL incentives for them to be here, and take away ALL incentives for employers to hire them. Make sure companies are fined big, with prison time, when caught hiring them.
Dallas has come up with a novel and effective plan to at least get them off the roads and begin to locate them.
The city passed a no insurance ordinance which impounds their vehicles if they don't have proof of insurance and won't release them without paying fines and producing an insurance card.
The impound lots were full in less than 2 weeks of enacting the ordinance and accident rates were down 47% in that same time period.
80% of all the vehicles belong to illegals and they got them off the road without having to illegally ask them for proof of nationality.
I'm sure the ACLU and Justice Department are racking their brains trying to deem this unconstitutional or ammend the ordinance.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#35 Apr 25, 2012
brad wrote:
<quoted text>
Dallas has come up with a novel and effective plan to at least get them off the roads and begin to locate them.
The city passed a no insurance ordinance which impounds their vehicles if they don't have proof of insurance and won't release them without paying fines and producing an insurance card.
The impound lots were full in less than 2 weeks of enacting the ordinance and accident rates were down 47% in that same time period.
80% of all the vehicles belong to illegals and they got them off the road without having to illegally ask them for proof of nationality.
I'm sure the ACLU and Justice Department are racking their brains trying to deem this unconstitutional or ammend the ordinance.
LOL! I'm sure they're also trying to find a way to make this "racist".

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#36 Apr 25, 2012
reform to all dems means shamnesty. we need not ever give in to illegal aliens again nor give them a chance for citizenship. best thing would be cut all ties with the south and let them turn into adults and take care of their own for once without begging for the U.S.A.

mexico, momma USA feed us give us . that is all they have ever done in my life time not once have they taken care of themselves.just like helpless babies wanting others to do for them.

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#38 Apr 26, 2012
Secure Mexican border? Surely they must mean Mexico's southern border that the CFR's plan fortified recently. That's for "Building a North American Community" to go along with the CFR's "Security and Prosperity Partnership" [CFR speak for North American Union ].

The USA's southern border is being removed entirely, which will nullify our Constitution. The NAFTA fascist traitors are continuing to shaft America for the sake of their power plays. Welcome to the New World Order. BOHICA.

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#39 Apr 26, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>so you don't want these people here. good. you should work for a solution that will prevent them from coming here. "securing" the border has not worked, it will not work. Fixing the problem (the hiring of illegals) will work.
No, it won't. They have anchor babies to get them welfare and food stamps. Then they turn to crime. My illegal neighbors do quite well selling illegal drugs right out of their home. The woman across the street runs a stash house for illegals who move in and out during the night.

Lots of illegals make runs to Mexico over our 'secure' border (ha!) and bring back cheap Mexican and Chinese goods they sell at flea markets and garage sales. There's a dirty looking illegal dude that sells cheap socks out of a stolen supermarket basket without a vendor's license.

If one man in the house has a job, the rest of the extended family, up to 10 adults with god knows how many children, all eat. They go to the city and church food pantries to scam freebies they don't deserve. You should have seen them in Houston after Hurricane Ike came through. All queued up for FEMA freebies in their new SUVs. Outside the city limits where citizens can keep small stock, goats disappear in the night, too.

Hispanic businesses are the worst exploiters of cheap illegal labor in Texas, so there will be no shortage of low-skilled, under the table low-paying jobs here for illegals. Illegals do just fine here 'without' jobs - better than they would in Mexico, and they get flush toilets to boot.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#40 Apr 29, 2012
Secure?????? One look at any given playground across the country certainly tells a different story. Schools are inundated with the children of illegals, if the border is secure, how are they swarming into our schools causing budgets to go in the red? Every penny spent on their free meals should be going to sick and elderly Americans.
Suwannee

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#41 Apr 29, 2012
teddyr4me wrote:
Secure?????? One look at any given playground across the country certainly tells a different story. Schools are inundated with the children of illegals, if the border is secure, how are they swarming into our schools causing budgets to go in the red? Every penny spent on their free meals should be going to sick and elderly Americans.
In my town you see kids at recess or getting off school busses and MOST ARE HISPANIC. The schools drop electives right and left and nothing is done by Congress to stop the flood of illegals crossing the borders. Our corrupt government has thrown us to the wolves. AND IT'S TIME CITIZENS REALIZE IT!!!

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#42 Apr 29, 2012
Suwannee wrote:
<quoted text>
In my town you see kids at recess or getting off school busses and MOST ARE HISPANIC. The schools drop electives right and left and nothing is done by Congress to stop the flood of illegals crossing the borders. Our corrupt government has thrown us to the wolves. AND IT'S TIME CITIZENS REALIZE IT!!!
you haven't seen nothing yet. like here in ca and the foolish dream crap for illegal aliens,first step let them instate tuition,then give them aide to get a free ride,the next thing i see coming is no citizen will be able to get that aide to to every cent will start going to illegal aliens.

that is the way all things start off when doing for illegal aliens,every little thing is just a foot in the door to give them whatever they want. all things for them need to be stopped unless it is to get them out of the country.

we all heard give and inch,thats the thing we never need to give anything make all things hard except for them leaving

“It matters but not very much”

Since: Oct 07

Houston, TX

#43 Apr 29, 2012
Suwannee wrote:
<quoted text>
In my town you see kids at recess or getting off school busses and MOST ARE HISPANIC. The schools drop electives right and left and nothing is done by Congress to stop the flood of illegals crossing the borders. Our corrupt government has thrown us to the wolves. AND IT'S TIME CITIZENS REALIZE IT!!!
The fascist and progressive traitors in Washington are doing their damnedest to destroy our country. Then they plan on "saving" us with a North American Union. That's one of the reasons they're trying to get us used to seeing Mexicans rob us blind - they leave the border wide open. Social engineering by fascists - what a crime.

They've been working on eroding our Constitution since right after WWII, when the fascists pretty much won in Europe - the EU is the result of that win.

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order.”
--Henry Kissinger, 1978

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