State Lawmakers Take On Birthright Citizenship

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Conservative lawmakers from five state legislatures launched a joint campaign on Wednesday to try to cancel automatic United States citizenship for the American-born children of illegal immigrants.
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Caes, I hate to break it to you, but these bills are undeniably unconstitutional. The 14th amendment is abundantly clear on the issue of birthright citizenship and will supersede all of these proposed bills.
Yes, it is abundantly clear that it does not give citizenship status to children born of parents who are not in the country illegally.

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Yes, it is abundantly clear that it does not give citizenship status to children born of parents who are not in the country illegally.
You just said that it doesn't give citizenship to children born of parents who are legally in the country. I'm not sure whether that was a typo on your part or what the point you're trying to make is, but I refer you to the 14th amendment, section 1.

[QUOTE who="14th Amendment, Section 1"]<quoted text>
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.[/QUOTE]

I don't see any wording that concerns the parents of a person born in the United States.
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You just said that it doesn't give citizenship to children born of parents who are legally in the country. I'm not sure whether that was a typo on your part or what the point you're trying to make is, but I refer you to the 14th amendment, section 1.
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I don't see any wording that concerns the parents of a person born in the United States.
It was a typo. That clause species that the child must be under the jurisdiction of the US. Any child born to parents who are in the country illegally are under the same jurisdiction as the parents. Additionally, the Mexican Constitution considers them to be Mexican citizens.
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They are trying to bring it before the Supreme Court for a ruling on the wording of the 14th amendment. But with 4 super liberals on the bench it's going to be very hard to get the rest of them to agree, it's in the wording about elegance to your home state/country, if your from a foreign country and here illegally then your not only breaking our emigration laws, but your allegiance is to a foreign country and therefore not eligible to have a kid that's automatically a US citizen.

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It was a typo. That clause species that the child must be under the jurisdiction of the US. Any child born to parents who are in the country illegally are under the same jurisdiction as the parents. Additionally, the Mexican Constitution considers them to be Mexican citizens.
Well, I did a bit of research and that seems entirely correct. What I couldn't find, though was any judicial precedent indicating why there would even be such a thing as "anchor babies" if the intent and wording (which the writer's comments make abundantly clear) should prevent them from being citizens. I ask in earnest, do you know of any court cases that have made a ruling on this?
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Well, I did a bit of research and that seems entirely correct. What I couldn't find, though was any judicial precedent indicating why there would even be such a thing as "anchor babies" if the intent and wording (which the writer's comments make abundantly clear) should prevent them from being citizens. I ask in earnest, do you know of any court cases that have made a ruling on this?
From what I understand, there was a decision in the late 1800s (the Wong - Ark decision) which has been wrongly interpreted as being in favor of "Jus Soli" or birthright citizenship. Also (and I don't know how true this is) hospitals were losing huge sums of money giving birth to the children of illegals so they started issuing US birth certificates so that they could be reimbursed by either the state or federal govt. "birth right citizenship" became common practice through this practice. The only way to get a definitive decision on this would be for the 40 states in accordance to start issuing "Non Resident Alien" birth certificates and then have the whole issue go to the supreme court. It's likely to be a lengthy and contentious process.

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Caes, I hate to break it to you, but these bills are undeniably unconstitutional. The 14th amendment is abundantly clear on the issue of birthright citizenship and will supersede all of these proposed bills.
The 14th amendment is UNDENIABLY clear to anyone who knows how to read ENGLISH. It DOES NOT GRANT CITIZENSHIP TO A PERSON JUST FOR BEING BORN HERE.Tell us where in the 14th amendment where it says that merely being born here makes one a citizen. Here is a clue for you....look up the meaning of the word AND!!!!

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<quoted text>The 14th amendment is UNDENIABLY clear to anyone who knows how to read ENGLISH. It DOES NOT GRANT CITIZENSHIP TO A PERSON JUST FOR BEING BORN HERE.Tell us where in the 14th amendment where it says that merely being born here makes one a citizen. Here is a clue for you....look up the meaning of the word AND!!!!
Did you see what I wrote 2 posts above yours? Racer told me otherwise, I did some research and admitted that the intent of the amendment's writer was not to give birthright citizenship to parents who come from foreign jurisdiction. Chill out and read the thread :P

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From what I understand, there was a decision in the late 1800s (the Wong - Ark decision) which has been wrongly interpreted as being in favor of "Jus Soli" or birthright citizenship. Also (and I don't know how true this is) hospitals were losing huge sums of money giving birth to the children of illegals so they started issuing US birth certificates so that they could be reimbursed by either the state or federal govt. "birth right citizenship" became common practice through this practice. The only way to get a definitive decision on this would be for the 40 states in accordance to start issuing "Non Resident Alien" birth certificates and then have the whole issue go to the supreme court. It's likely to be a lengthy and contentious process.
Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me if you're second conjecture was correct. I read about the Wong Kim Ark decision, and though it does include a rather liberal, though I feel appropriate, decision regarding the intent of the amendment, I don't feel the case is similar enough to those possible with illegal immigration cases to be judged though stare decisis. Although Ark's parents were Chinese citizens, they were also legal immigrants and had established domicile in the United States before his birth, unlike the situation that has arisen due to illegal immigration. I would honestly be shocked if SCOTUS were to vote for illegal alien birthright citizenship.

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Did you see what I wrote 2 posts above yours? Racer told me otherwise, I did some research and admitted that the intent of the amendment's writer was not to give birthright citizenship to parents who come from foreign jurisdiction. Chill out and read the thread :P
I saw your posts after I had responded to your original post. I eventually saw that you corrected yourself.
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Bigot. Latinos are here to stay.They do the jobs that you lazy a$$ Oakies won't do. You need them more than they need you. Why don't you get your fat white McDonald's lovin a$$ off your couch and do something productive with your self, you uneducated piece of shit. People like you are the reason why other countries around the world hate the United States,because of racist dicks like you. Stop blaming Latinos for your faliures.You fat white PIG.
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Quit smoking Meth it's damaging your brain.
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<quoted text> Quit smoking Meth it's damaging your brain.
Too late for you.

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