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Ninth Circuit Court Of Appeals Rules Prop 8 Unconstitutional

There are 99 comments on the lezgetreal.com story from Feb 7, 2012, titled Ninth Circuit Court Of Appeals Rules Prop 8 Unconstitutional. In it, lezgetreal.com reports that:

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled that Prop 8 is Unconstitutional. This is an historic ruling, but one that will have to be defended further as those who seek to make sure that lesbians, gays, bisexuals and trans people are considered second class citizens will appeal the ruling.

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“Love thy neighbor!”

Since: Dec 06

Westland , MI

#86 Feb 9, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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i try not to discuss such issues with them. my mother is 90 years old and doesn't look at life the way i do, and my sister is just as set in my mother's ways. she gets a look on her face like she could shit through the eye of a needle at 50 yards when you bring such issues up. if my daughter wants to hash it all out with them, then god bless her. i learned a long time ago that it's best to mind my own business on such things if you know what i mean.
A wise man picks his battles.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#87 Feb 9, 2012
snyper wrote:
Remember, a Constitutional Amendment is the card that trumps all our efforts, and it's likelihood ebbs and flows with the radical rightwing population of our elected Representatives at all levels of Government.
I think it's interesting that this Congress has not brought up a marriage amendment at all. It was a biennial favorite before 2008, even though it never gained even majority support. True, the House knows it would never pass the Senate. But that hasn't stopped them from pushing any other issues.

I've said for years that the Republicans would rather have this as an issue to fight about than to actually win. Unfortunately for them, fighting is now benefiting the Democrats not the Republicans.

Since: Dec 08

El Paso, TX

#88 Feb 9, 2012
snyper wrote:
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A very ORGANIZED audience for that "blather" that meets together twice a week in locations in every town across the Nation.
That cohesive organizing is what we must address and defeat.
How many coordination meetings did YOU attend this week? How many of your 17 and 18 yo (new voters for the upcoming elections) were at the meetings YOU attended? How many did YOU bring to those meetings?
Things are far from rosy, kids.
This is as easily a galvanizing rallying point for our opposition as it is a "major" win for us.
Remember, a Constitutional Amendment is the card that trumps all our efforts, and it's likelihood ebbs and flows with the radical rightwing population of our elected Representatives at all levels of Government.
Fine. Crack a champagne bottle for tonight ... but dig in and get back to work in the morning.
Remember, too, that Roe v. Wade is STILL not a securely settled issue. Our issues will not be in a different situation for at least a generation AFTER we get full Federal protections ... possibly longer.
You're a very handsome man. From the bottom of my heart.

Since: Mar 09

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#89 Feb 9, 2012
TomInElPaso wrote:
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You're a very handsome man. From the bottom of my heart.
Once upon a time, dear, perhaps.

Now I'm just an occasional stand-in for the Crypt Keeper.

It's ok. I like my sags and wrinkles. I earned 'em.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#90 Feb 10, 2012
snyper wrote:
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A very ORGANIZED audience for that "blather" that meets together twice a week in locations in every town across the Nation.
That cohesive organizing is what we must address and defeat.
How many coordination meetings did YOU attend this week? How many of your 17 and 18 yo (new voters for the upcoming elections) were at the meetings YOU attended? How many did YOU bring to those meetings?
Things are far from rosy, kids.
This is as easily a galvanizing rallying point for our opposition as it is a "major" win for us.
Remember, a Constitutional Amendment is the card that trumps all our efforts, and it's likelihood ebbs and flows with the radical rightwing population of our elected Representatives at all levels of Government.
Fine. Crack a champagne bottle for tonight ... but dig in and get back to work in the morning.
Remember, too, that Roe v. Wade is STILL not a securely settled issue. Our issues will not be in a different situation for at least a generation AFTER we get full Federal protections ... possibly longer.
Yes, there's much work to be done, but justice and truth always win out in the end. The lies and hypocrisy from the right are being exposed like never before. They'll be their own undoing.

Since: Mar 09

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#91 Feb 10, 2012
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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Yes, there's much work to be done, but justice and truth always win out in the end. The lies and hypocrisy from the right are being exposed like never before. They'll be their own undoing.
"NEVER underestimate the destructive power of stupid people in large groups."

"Remember what Joan of Arc learned" First they burn you, THEN they get guilty conscience."

(I'm not certain that a lot of these people even have consciences. I mean ... well ... just LISTEN to them!)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#92 Feb 10, 2012
snyper wrote:
<(I'm not certain that a lot of these people even have consciences. I mean ... well ... just LISTEN to them!)
Perhaps that's why they need books to tell them right from wrong.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#93 Feb 10, 2012
snyper wrote:
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"NEVER underestimate the destructive power of stupid people in large groups."
"Remember what Joan of Arc learned" First they burn you, THEN they get guilty conscience."
(I'm not certain that a lot of these people even have consciences. I mean ... well ... just LISTEN to them!)


I don't underestimate them, even a little bit. I suspect that when their legal agenda fails them, we'll also so an increase in violence. They've deluded themselves into thinking that they are doing god's work. Or at least, that's their excuse. They're a dangerous lot. They've learned nothing from history, which is why they're constantly trying to re-write it.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#94 Feb 10, 2012
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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I don't underestimate them, even a little bit. I suspect that when their legal agenda fails them, we'll also so an increase in violence. They've deluded themselves into thinking that they are doing god's work. Or at least, that's their excuse. They're a dangerous lot. They've learned nothing from history, which is why they're constantly trying to re-write it.
Perhaps they'll turn to violence, but I wouldn't anticipate any wide-spread movement. Remember that youth is most-easily manipulated into violent behavior.[That's why we recruit eighteen-year-olds for the armed forces, not 35-year-olds.] And youths are less likely to feel the same level of fear and hatred toward gays.

Religionthebigli e

“saved From jesus”

Since: Jul 11

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#95 Feb 10, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Perhaps they'll turn to violence, but I wouldn't anticipate any wide-spread movement. Remember that youth is most-easily manipulated into violent behavior.[That's why we recruit eighteen-year-olds for the armed forces, not 35-year-olds.] And youths are less likely to feel the same level of fear and hatred toward gays.
Yes. Times are changing. It's slow, but justice usually is. It will be up to the younger generations to see through all of the nonsense. I've spoken to younger people, in the graduating class of a local high school in my area. They see gays as "no big deal", and have many openly gay students in their H.S. I graduated 30 years ago. Things have changed quite a bit since then.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#96 Feb 10, 2012
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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Yes. Times are changing. It's slow, but justice usually is. It will be up to the younger generations to see through all of the nonsense. I've spoken to younger people, in the graduating class of a local high school in my area. They see gays as "no big deal", and have many openly gay students in their H.S. I graduated 30 years ago. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
What surprises me is the enthusiasm that people under 35 show for gay rights issues. When we graduated, maintaining your friendship counted as support. Youth are actually as motivated to support change as the women's movement when we were young.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

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#97 Feb 10, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
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A wise man picks his battles.
and also knows when to hike up his pant legs and run like hell.

Since: Mar 09

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#98 Feb 10, 2012
Religionthebiglie wrote:
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Yes. Times are changing. It's slow, but justice usually is. It will be up to the younger generations to see through all of the nonsense. I've spoken to younger people, in the graduating class of a local high school in my area. They see gays as "no big deal", and have many openly gay students in their H.S. I graduated 30 years ago. Things have changed quite a bit since then.
I am pleased to hear that.

I will be ecstatic if you can get the same ones to the polls when we need them.

Do you have the team together that can throw a few magnet raves leading up to votes?

That's what we did in our town and at the local University and Community College.

Kids learn best through music and play.

We also found that seeding the attendees with some attractive female spin masters had a positive result with the male attendees.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#99 Feb 10, 2012
dances with weebles wrote:
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i try not to discuss such issues with them. my mother is 90 years old and doesn't look at life the way i do, and my sister is just as set in my mother's ways. she gets a look on her face like she could shit through the eye of a needle at 50 yards when you bring such issues up. if my daughter wants to hash it all out with them, then god bless her. i learned a long time ago that it's best to mind my own business on such things if you know what i mean.
Lucky me, I drew the short stick and had to tell my extremely religious brother that his only son was gay. He took it suprisingly well all things considered. Maybe having a gay brother kinda primed the pump.
cjrian

United States

#100 Feb 10, 2012
snyper wrote:
I am pleased to hear that.
I will be ecstatic if you can get the same ones to the polls when we need them.
Do you have the team together that can throw a few magnet raves leading up to votes?
That's what we did in our town and at the local University and Community College.
Kids learn best through music and play.
We also found that seeding the attendees with some attractive female spin masters had a positive result with the male attendees.
In other words, you rely on gimmicks

Dole out trinkets and eye candy to get others to sell their vote

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#101 Feb 10, 2012
cjrian wrote:
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In other words, you rely on gimmicks
Dole out trinkets and eye candy to get others to sell their vote
Nope. That's just how political parties always get out the vote.(They are called "parties" for a long historical reason) No trinkets given out. It's just the modern form of political rally.

Other age groups have dinner/cocktail parties, etc.

Podiums and speeches have their place, but why does politics have to be all dry, dull and mugging for the camera.

cjrian

United States

#102 Feb 10, 2012
snyper wrote:
Nope. That's just how political parties always get out the vote.(They are called "parties" for a long historical reason) No trinkets given out. It's just the modern form of political rally.
Other age groups have dinner/cocktail parties, etc.
Podiums and speeches have their place, but why does politics have to be all dry, dull and mugging for the camera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =rEqKeYylWjUXX
It's still gewgaws and kewpie dolls
Trinkets for to "votewhores" who'll sell their vote for entertainment

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

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#103 Feb 10, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Lucky me, I drew the short stick and had to tell my extremely religious brother that his only son was gay. He took it suprisingly well all things considered. Maybe having a gay brother kinda primed the pump.
ouch!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#104 Feb 11, 2012
cjrian wrote:
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It's still gewgaws and kewpie dolls
Trinkets for to "votewhores" who'll sell their vote for entertainment
I'll be sure to tell your Party members that at their convention festivities in the various ballrooms of their hotels.

Grow up.

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