Washington state lawmakers pass gay m...

Washington state lawmakers pass gay marriage bill

There are 17 comments on the Log Cabin Democrat story from Feb 8, 2012, titled Washington state lawmakers pass gay marriage bill. In it, Log Cabin Democrat reports that:

Rep. Jamie Pedersen, D-Seattle, center, is congratulated by Dave Upthegrove, D-Des Moines, left, and Drew Hansen, D-Kitsap County, after the House voted to legalize gay marriage in Washington state Wednesday, Feb.

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FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#1 Feb 9, 2012
WOOT !

Join the club !

:)

Since: Jan 08

Thailand

#2 Feb 9, 2012
Congratulations to the population of Washington State for having the courage to say no to bigotry!

“What Goes Around, Comes Around”

Since: Mar 07

Kansas City, MO.

#3 Feb 9, 2012
CONGRATS...... to the state of Washington!!!!!!!!

Since: Mar 09

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#4 Feb 9, 2012
The Dominoes keep falling. NJ is voting next week. Watching freedom spread is a wonderful thing.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#5 Feb 9, 2012
Get ready for thousand of the Wicked Witch's paid flying monkeys swooping down onto Washington State with petitions on clipboards gathering signatures to once again bring darkness where there once was happiness....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Feb 9, 2012
The anti-gays will have until Jun 6th to gather the 120,577 signatures necessary to put the law on hold until a referendum vote in November.

Considering there were over 800,000 no votes on Ref 71 (even with only 26% turnout), they'll have no problem getting the signatures.

This will be our best opportunity to finally beat them at their own game. Once they get spanked here, they won't be so eager to put it to a vote in the next state.
Sgt Common Sense

Denver, CO

#7 Feb 9, 2012
While this is of course great news, I have been involved in the fight for gay rigths since the '70s. Rejoice in this victory but, remember there will still be setbacks. Two steps forward one back is the way it always seems to go.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#8 Feb 9, 2012
eJohn wrote:
Get ready for thousand of the Wicked Witch's paid flying monkeys swooping down onto Washington State with petitions on clipboards gathering signatures to once again bring darkness where there once was happiness....
That is exactly what happened in Iowa! There was hardly a bleep on the news when marriage equality happened and then BAM...loads of outsiders whirled in from all directions stirring up negative press and fanning the flames of hate!
Congrats Washington!!!
John E

Troy, MI

#9 Feb 9, 2012
eJohn wrote:
Get ready for thousand of the Wicked Witch's paid flying monkeys swooping down onto Washington State with petitions on clipboards gathering signatures to once again bring darkness where there once was happiness....
I guess they need 120,000 signatures to get it on the Nov ballot for the people to vote on it.

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#10 Feb 9, 2012
John E wrote:
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I guess they need 120,000 signatures to get it on the Nov ballot for the people to vote on it.
The U.S. 9th Circuit Court Of Appeals also covers Washington and other states. If Washington established gay marriage by the legislature and governor, and then the voters repeal it later on by referendum, I think that situation is EXACTLY the same as Cali's Prop. 8, and would the results of teh referendum would be struck down as unconstitutional because of the 9th circuit's Prop. 8 decision.

I think the circumstances are exactly the same.

Do you agree ?

Since: Mar 09

Hidden

#11 Feb 9, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
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The U.S. 9th Circuit Court Of Appeals also covers Washington and other states. If Washington established gay marriage by the legislature and governor, and then the voters repeal it later on by referendum, I think that situation is EXACTLY the same as Cali's Prop. 8, and would the results of teh referendum would be struck down as unconstitutional because of the 9th circuit's Prop. 8 decision.
I think the circumstances are exactly the same.
Do you agree ?
As with all things legal it will depend on the wording and effect of the ballot measure.

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#12 Feb 9, 2012
CTEd wrote:
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As with all things legal it will depend on the wording and effect of the ballot measure.
If the Washington legislature passes a gay marriage bill, the governor signs it into law, the voters then vote to repeal it with a referendum, what praytell is the difference with the the Prop 8 case, which the court just said you can't do.

What's the difference ?

I contend that there is none, and so would not be allowed. You don't agree ? Why ?
Adam in AZ

United States

#13 Feb 9, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Washington legislature passes a gay marriage bill, the governor signs it into law, the voters then vote to repeal it with a referendum, what praytell is the difference with the the Prop 8 case, which the court just said you can't do.
What's the difference ?
I contend that there is none, and so would not be allowed. You don't agree ? Why ?
The difference is that Washington will never have actually had gay marriage. The law will not take effect if a referendum petition is filed.

The difference is the 18,000 marriages that took place in California. Washington state will have zero.
Adam in AZ

United States

#14 Feb 9, 2012
How can these judges say with a straight face that its against the constitution to remove marriage rights without a legitimate state interest, but it is not illegal to selectively withhold the same rights with the same lack of legitimate state interest?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#15 Feb 9, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
<quoted text>
The U.S. 9th Circuit Court Of Appeals also covers Washington and other states. If Washington established gay marriage by the legislature and governor, and then the voters repeal it later on by referendum, I think that situation is EXACTLY the same as Cali's Prop. 8, and would the results of teh referendum would be struck down as unconstitutional because of the 9th circuit's Prop. 8 decision.
I think the circumstances are exactly the same.
Do you agree ?
No.

The law in Washington doesn't take effect if there is a referendum vote, no technically they right to marry was never granted. Same thing happened in Maine in 2009- they passed marriage equality but it was "held in abeyance" until it was overturned by referendum.

Since: Mar 09

Hidden

#16 Feb 9, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Washington legislature passes a gay marriage bill, the governor signs it into law, the voters then vote to repeal it with a referendum, what praytell is the difference with the the Prop 8 case, which the court just said you can't do.
What's the difference ?
I contend that there is none, and so would not be allowed. You don't agree ? Why ?
Yes becuase a law in one state has NEVER been overruled by the courts only to have another law in another state that is very similiar but worded slightly differently stands. The court found Prop 8 to be unconsitutional becuase it singled out gays and lesbians and no other purpose.

Are you such a legal expert that you are saying that they won't learn from that and word it in an way that doesn't single out just gays and lesbians but a more broader ballot initiative that accomplishes the same thing?

Tricky no doubt, but it's happened before. While I am very well versed in the law, they will have armies working on this to try to change the wording enough so that it passes muster. Not saying that can do it, just realizing that it is possible. So no, it is not a given that it too will be overturned.

FaFoxy

“ WOOF !”

Since: Oct 10

Coolidge, AZ

#17 Feb 9, 2012
CTEd wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes becuase a law in one state has NEVER been overruled by the courts only to have another law in another state that is very similiar but worded slightly differently stands. The court found Prop 8 to be unconsitutional becuase it singled out gays and lesbians and no other purpose.
Are you such a legal expert that you are saying that they won't learn from that and word it in an way that doesn't single out just gays and lesbians but a more broader ballot initiative that accomplishes the same thing?
Tricky no doubt, but it's happened before. While I am very well versed in the law, they will have armies working on this to try to change the wording enough so that it passes muster. Not saying that can do it, just realizing that it is possible. So no, it is not a given that it too will be overturned.
We shall see soon enough.... The tide has turn in our favor and the people against equal marriage rights are on the losing side of history.

btw, I saw Ted Olson interviewed about this case yesterday, and I saw David Boies interviewed on Charlie Rose today about this case. Both were excellent interviews and I'm sure you can easily find them on the web if you're interested.

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