Is Atheism just another religion?

Jun 12, 2012 Full story: Examiner.com 84

The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals panel in San Francisco, a couple days ago, rejected two legal challenges by Sacramento atheist Michael Newdow, who said the references to God, in the Pledge of allegiance, are unconstitutional and infringe on his religious beliefs.

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“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#1 Jun 13, 2012
That's the problem with not having religious beliefs. We need some pagans to do this, not us atheists, at least the courts can't say pagans don't have religious beliefs.
Crooked Liberal Media

Los Angeles, CA

#2 Jun 13, 2012
Yes, atheism is just another faith...a faith that there is nothing.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#3 Jun 13, 2012
Crooked Liberal Media wrote:
Yes, atheism is just another faith...a faith that there is nothing.
I am an atheist and I don't have faith in anything. This ditty sums me up quite well..
http://www.atheismuk.com/2012/03/31/atheism/y...
(Please pardon the swear-words)

Quote, "Why should those with the second world view have the right to impose their view on everyone else, which a ruling like Atheists want would bring about, making possible public enforcement of the second world view."
Atheism isn't a worldview. It is merely the rejection of religion, nothing more. And it isn't a matter of the minority imposing a worldview on the majority. The point is that the majority are excluding a significant minority by using that wording.

Quote, "The truth be told, both world views, are statements about God. One says he exists and the other saying that he does not."
Both statements are about belief or non-belief in (an apparently abrahamic) god, atheism isn't a worldview.

Then it goes on to say, "Then, it should be very clear that one view is just as religious as the other and both comes with their all encompassing doctrines". Which is to ignore the definitions of atheism...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
And religion..
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/religion
The very opposite of atheism.

I don't define myself as an atheist, but as a human. I might welcome being defined as a humanist but certainly not as a religionist. My worldview is based on rational philosophy and specifically rejects religion.

Inserting god in an oath of allegiance is simply imposing a statement about god on part of society that doesn't believe in any god. That is all.

Religion = superstition. One man's theology is another man's myth. If religionists insist on forcing their god on those who have no need of it, they should consider that atheism, humanism and secularism are growing and that one reaps what one sows.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#4 Jun 13, 2012
Read my new memoir, "Thank God I'm an Atheist".
Crooked Liberal Media

Los Angeles, CA

#5 Jun 14, 2012
Atheism is a faith. It's not a religion, but rather it is a faith that there is no god. It requires faith to believe that there is no creator. Therefore, atheism is a faith.
KittenKocsmocker

Victoria, Mexico

#6 Jun 14, 2012
Atheism is a religion of pure hatred against the God of Abraham by perverts who cannot accept responsibility for their own filthy sordid lusts with anyone or anything that moves or even doesn't.

Dirty, filthy, vile base people that you are!
soso

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

#7 Jun 14, 2012

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#8 Jun 14, 2012
KittenKocsmocker wrote:
Atheism is a religion of pure hatred against the God of Abraham by perverts who cannot accept responsibility for their own filthy sordid lusts with anyone or anything that moves or even doesn't.
Dirty, filthy, vile base people that you are!
How are those paper dolls coming along?
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#9 Jun 14, 2012
Crooked Liberal Media wrote:
Atheism is a faith. It's not a religion, but rather it is a faith that there is no god. It requires faith to believe that there is no creator. Therefore, atheism is a faith.
You wish.
Thanks for the tacit admission that religious faith is essentially unreasonable.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/atheist
One should only believe anything as far as it can be justified by reason and evidence.
soso

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

#10 Jun 14, 2012
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soso

Jeddah, Saudi Arabia

#11 Jun 14, 2012
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“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#12 Jun 14, 2012
Atheism is the same in that in the eyes of the law and in civil discourse it should have the same standing and legal rights. It currently doesn't which is what atheists fight against.
EdSed

Hamilton, UK

#13 Jun 14, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
Atheism is the same in that in the eyes of the law and in civil discourse it should have the same standing and legal rights. It currently doesn't which is what atheists fight against.
I agree lack of equality and respect appears to be the main problem.

The value or harm religion does is debateable and negotiable.

Freedom of and from religion. Separation of Church and State. It's important for the world that they US gets there. Equality, respect, freedom of speech and thought.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...
Prejudice against blacks and women have been largely overcome.

A bit off-topic but..
No 'oath' to a god should be imposed on anybody, let alone in an oath of allegiance. One can put "in god we trust" on money and courtrooms, but it won't be true of everyone. Such dogma isn't in anyone's interest. Secular environments and affirmations should be equally acceptable for everyone, of faith or none.
Crooked Liberal Media

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Jun 14, 2012
Equal rights for the atheist faith will also require a separation of atheism and state...an equal requirement of any other faith...religious faith or otherwise.

Currently, atheism and state are deeply integrated - and that is unacceptable.

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#15 Jun 14, 2012
EdSed wrote:
<quoted text>I agree lack of equality and respect appears to be the main problem.
The value or harm religion does is debateable and negotiable.
Freedom of and from religion. Separation of Church and State. It's important for the world that they US gets there. Equality, respect, freedom of speech and thought.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/writ/ghwbush.h...
Prejudice against blacks and women have been largely overcome.
A bit off-topic but..
No 'oath' to a god should be imposed on anybody, let alone in an oath of allegiance. One can put "in god we trust" on money and courtrooms, but it won't be true of everyone. Such dogma isn't in anyone's interest. Secular environments and affirmations should be equally acceptable for everyone, of faith or none.
I quite agree. How do you have freedom 'of' religion if you are not first free 'from' religion. And I am talking about governmental actions. We are not one nation under god. We are one nation under a constitution, that allows each of us, for ourselves, to determine if there is a god, no god, or more than one and what our relationship is to that deity (if it/they exist).

What part of 'Congress shall make no law...' don't people, and unfortunately the courts, don't understand. There is no concept of 'ceremonial deism' to be found in the constitution which has been used to justify the changes to pledge and the country's motto.

And 'so help you god' in oaths should never be asked of anyone. The presidential oath, which is in the constitution does not contain 'so help me god.'

I just wish people would understand that if the government were to remove these references to a god, it does not mean that a god doesn't exist, just that the government makes no claim that one exists which is what the government is currently doing, which is unconstitutional.
Frank Rizzo

Santa Rosa, CA

#16 Jun 14, 2012
Crooked Liberal Media wrote:
Equal rights for the atheist faith will also require a separation of atheism and state...an equal requirement of any other faith...religious faith or otherwise.
Currently, atheism and state are deeply integrated - and that is unacceptable.
Excellent point. It is critical that government separate from atheist doctrine. Right now, they are nearly one and the same.
Frank Rizzo

Santa Rosa, CA

#17 Jun 14, 2012
DaveinMass wrote:
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I quite agree. How do you have freedom 'of' religion if you are not first free 'from' religion.
How can you have freedom of religion if government requires that everyone be free "from" religion?

How can you have freedom of religion when there is no separation of atheism and state?

Since: Apr 08

Grimsby, UK

#18 Jun 14, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent point. It is critical that government separate from atheist doctrine. Right now, they are nearly one and the same.
Still socking your way around these threads.

Since: Apr 08

Grimsby, UK

#19 Jun 14, 2012
Frank Rizzo wrote:
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Excellent point. It is critical that government separate from atheist doctrine. Right now, they are nearly one and the same.
Come back when your government has abolished the National Day of Prayer, removed "God" from your nation's motto as well as your pledge of allegiance.

That'll be a start.
Aztec

Grimsby, UK

#20 Jun 14, 2012
Khatru wrote:
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Still socking your way around these threads.
Good call, Khatru.

That Frank Rizzio uses so many socks it's not true.

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