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Gay-marriage backers eagerly await appeals court's Prop. 8 ruling

There are 24 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Feb 6, 2012, titled Gay-marriage backers eagerly await appeals court's Prop. 8 ruling. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

Backers of gay marriage are eagerly anticipating an appeals court ruling Tuesday on the constitutionality of Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot measure that banned same-sex nuptials in California.

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#1 Feb 6, 2012
My guess is the appeal by pro 8 backers will fail. They will again appeal to SCOTUS who will not hear the case. They can only appeal the appelate Court's decision about standing. This would put SCOTUS in an untenable postition. If they decided in favor of the proponents then their standing would also be questionable since many are Catholics and Catholics funded the Pro-8 campaign. What's more, both Scalia and Thomas are members of Opu Dei, a radical Catholic organization to defend Church Doctrine. They will simply allow the lower court ruling to stand. End of game.

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#2 Feb 7, 2012
What are you crying about don't worry you will get your rights.Its in the stars.The world must be in this shape to get judgement.Go on sin against your on body.You turn down mercy there nothing left but judgement.Sin on now for the time is at hand.Enjoy this new life style.It the only one you will ever have.
mahu

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#3 Feb 8, 2012
theres no sin

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#5 Feb 8, 2012
By all means Mahu please tell me what is sin?Or can any of you can tell me what God calls Sin?

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#6 Feb 8, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
What are you crying about don't worry you will get your rights.Its in the stars.The world must be in this shape to get judgement.Go on sin against your on body.You turn down mercy there nothing left but judgement.Sin on now for the time is at hand.Enjoy this new life style.It the only one you will ever have.
Completely irrelevant. I don't care about your personal opinions of sin.

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#7 Feb 9, 2012
That is just what i tought you find out it not what you think.And most people get this one wrong?There is only 2 ways you can live on this earth.By faith or by wisdom.I think i know were you stand.So you preach your on gosple and i'll preach mine.You have made your choice i will make mine.But sin is not what you think it is.

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#8 Feb 9, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
That is just what i tought you find out it not what you think.And most people get this one wrong?There is only 2 ways you can live on this earth.By faith or by wisdom.I think i know were you stand.So you preach your on gosple and i'll preach mine.You have made your choice i will make mine.But sin is not what you think it is.
Why do you say faith and wisdom are mutually exclusive? Why do you say either is required to live on this earth? Many live without either.

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#9 Feb 9, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
That is just what i tought you find out it not what you think.And most people get this one wrong?There is only 2 ways you can live on this earth.By faith or by wisdom.I think i know were you stand.So you preach your on gosple and i'll preach mine.You have made your choice i will make mine.But sin is not what you think it is.
Sin is not what you think it is either.

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#10 Feb 9, 2012
waste water You either going to live by faith in god or worldly wisdom.The only damn thing you know is what you learn from a grow up or a teacher you was born blank knowledge it had to be learned.Your so damn stupid.Sin is not what everyone says it is.Sin is unbelieve you have look at the bible and you don't believe it.It not for you.Eve did the same thing she didn't think God meant what he said.The day you eat thereof you shall surely die.Everything after her did die.Smoking and drinking cussing lying cheating is a attribute of unbelief it finds no place in you.Your not born again yet.You ever find that and it is over the search is over then you found everything then.you don't find this in a demonational church hollywood preachers.It Christ looking for you.He must knock at least one time in your life.So listen to your heart real good.

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#11 Feb 9, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
waste water You either going to live by faith in god or worldly wisdom.The only damn thing you know is what you learn from a grow up or a teacher you was born blank knowledge it had to be learned.Your so damn stupid.Sin is not what everyone says it is.Sin is unbelieve you have look at the bible and you don't believe it.It not for you.Eve did the same thing she didn't think God meant what he said.The day you eat thereof you shall surely die.Everything after her did die.Smoking and drinking cussing lying cheating is a attribute of unbelief it finds no place in you.Your not born again yet.You ever find that and it is over the search is over then you found everything then.you don't find this in a demonational church hollywood preachers.It Christ looking for you.He must knock at least one time in your life.So listen to your heart real good.
I believe sin is simply separation from God. I don't set great store in the Adam & Eve Myth. First of all, it never really happened. Second of all, if God put the tree there in the first place, then it was God's will that it be done as it was. The scenario negates free will. Free will is just and illusion if one accepts such mythology as fact.

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#12 Feb 9, 2012
How do you really know that a person is not born with something? Don't many have gifts while other do not? I can do many things my father cannot do. He couldn't teach me that which he did not have.

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#13 Feb 9, 2012
One thing your reading the bible with a carnal mind not a spiritral mind you can't see it.It not given to you to know your lost.Find Christ and you will find life.The bible will become a new book.Do you remeber when you was 1 2 or3 or maybe 4.I raised 2 kids myself.They were born blank it had to be taught to them.Why am i trying to explain anything to a closed mined nut it beyond me.You need to get help if you can.

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#14 Feb 9, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
One thing your reading the bible with a carnal mind not a spiritral mind you can't see it.It not given to you to know your lost.Find Christ and you will find life.The bible will become a new book.Do you remeber when you was 1 2 or3 or maybe 4.I raised 2 kids myself.They were born blank it had to be taught to them.Why am i trying to explain anything to a closed mined nut it beyond me.You need to get help if you can.
How do you know how I read a Bible?

I do exactly as you say, I follow Jesus, consult the Holy Spirit, reflect, mediate, and do all sorts of things. Who are you to judge me? What does Matthew 7:1 say?

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#15 Feb 9, 2012
I am not judging you are judging yourself.your action proves what you are.If you go to hell you will send yourself there not me or God.You leave here a sinner you have judged yourself.You told God what he done for you not good enought.To go to hell you will fight ever step of the way there.You will have to trample over the blood of Christ to go there.So you think about it?

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#16 Feb 9, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
I am not judging you are judging yourself.your action proves what you are.If you go to hell you will send yourself there not me or God.You leave here a sinner you have judged yourself.You told God what he done for you not good enought.To go to hell you will fight ever step of the way there.You will have to trample over the blood of Christ to go there.So you think about it?
Whatever.... sounds like rationalizing and excuses to me.

I don't believe in your God who sends people to Hell or drowns innocent people in floods. Such a God is unworthy of worship.

Your God is too small.

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#17 Feb 9, 2012
BTW. Hell is not a place God sends people too when they die. Hell is a place we send ourselves too during this life because we don't know any better.

Here let me share my Bible with you.

Here are the things which the Lord says to obey.

35 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied:“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it:‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[d] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Here is what Paul really says:

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

1 “Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother,‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

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#18 Feb 10, 2012
waste water that a good name for you.because that is all you are.What do you think i said hell a place you send yourself.What part do you not understand.You trying quote scriptures that has nothing to do with what we were talking about.I want be the one judgeing you you are judgeing yourself now.what ever your action are good or bad.

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#19 Feb 10, 2012
mikey860 wrote:
waste water that a good name for you.because that is all you are.What do you think i said hell a place you send yourself.What part do you not understand.You trying quote scriptures that has nothing to do with what we were talking about.I want be the one judgeing you you are judgeing yourself now.what ever your action are good or bad.
Is this the best you can do. You have no ability to refute the points of my post so you resort to an ad hominem reply.

... nice
Blair

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#22 Feb 10, 2012
Child molester's dream come true

By Olivia St. John


Two recent government actions, one legislative and one judicial, have called into question our society's willingness to protect its youngest and most vulnerable members.

A hate crimes bill (H.R. 1913 and S. 909), dubbed by critics the "Pedophile Protection Act," has already passed the House and is up for vote in the Senate. The bill earned its unofficial name when Democrats rejected an amendment to exclude pedophiles from legal protection. No doubt this legislation serves as a precursor to onerous hate speech legislation in the future.

On the judicial front, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled in a divorce case that two minor children must be forced to mingle against their will with their homosexual father's "gay" and lesbian friends during visitation. Claiming the children of Eric and Sandy Mongerson will not suffer harm from this contact, Justice Robert Benham overturned an earlier lower court ruling protecting the children from exposure to "overnight company with a member of the opposite sex, or with any person deemed to be a paramour, unrelated by blood or marriage, in the presence of a child."

Beth Littrell, an attorney for the pro-homosexual group Lambda Legal, said, "The court has done the right thing today by focusing on the needs of the children instead of perpetuating stigma on the basis of sexual orientation."

An AP report said the mother's attorney, Lance McMillian, "claimed the father subjected the children to an 'array of violent, sexual, abusive and wholly inappropriate conduct' during a trip to Arkansas and contended the father was in a series of affairs with other men while still married."

During the trial the two oldest children expressed fear for the safety of their younger siblings due to their homosexual father's violent outbursts. One of the girls told of finding a magazine with naked men while visiting her father.

So much for "justice" and the assertion that children's needs are a priority.

Benham might have done his homework and discovered a plethora of reasons to block easy access to these children by the friends of their homosexual father. He could have started with the wealth of material found at the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality. Numerous scientific studies show soaring rates of violence within homosexual and lesbian relationships, shortened life spans caused by diseases influenced by their lifestyle, and a significantly higher rate of child molestation as compared with heterosexual populations.

But if Benham were truly concerned about the wellbeing of children being raised by homosexuals, he could talk to internationally recognized speaker Dawn Stefanowicz, who authored "Out From Under," a book relating her childhood experience living with a homosexual father who was sexually abused as a boy and later died of AIDS. In the book she describes her childhood exposure to her father's gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transsexual, or GLBT, subcultures and their explicit sexual practices. She recently addressed the Canadian Senate on hate crimes legislation. She focuses on the impact the homosexual culture is having on children, particularly relating to marriage, parenting, sexuality and education.

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Blair

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#23 Feb 10, 2012
In a recent correspondence, Stefanowicz shared her own experiences and her concerns drawn from discussions with other adults who were raised in homosexual households. The following aspects typify these children's experiences:
* Associating with the parent's GLBT community creates painful gender identity confusion and prevents healthy development.
* Children are "silenced and forced to tolerate hearing speech, witnessing sexual behaviors, and going places they find offensive."
* Children are saddled with "stress, depression, anxiety, suicidal tendencies, anger, sexuality confusion, and tremendous insecurity."
* During Stefanowicz's childhood, her father "traveled all over North America and to the Islands, finding ample cruising partners and locations." She said it was not safe "to bring my good-looking boyfriends" home because they could be propositioned by her father to have threesome sex with another homosexual adult.
* A number of children feel sexually abused though association with the sights of the GLBT subculture and "witnessing their parent in sexual situations and multiple relationships." She said it's common for parents to take children to gay pride events sporting offensive sexual material, discussion and behavior.
* Stefanowicz says, "Some adult children express they have been sexually abused by a parent or partner(s) who have attempted to recruit them either directly or by innuendo and by example. Pedophilia is a big part of the subcultures." Sadly, she recounts her father being sexually involved with an underage boy who later committed suicide.
* Stefanowicz has heard personal accounts from children who have contacted her. "They have been exposed to hepatitis and other pathogens because of living in close association with sexually active parents and partners. When young, dependent children share snacks, utensils, drinking glasses, use bathroom facilities and do not wash hands, touch washcloths … toothbrushes … children are at risk of becoming infected." She recounts picking up "feces-covered sheets" after one of her father's encounters and is concerned that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledges the high level of disease risk associated with GLBT behaviors, yet fails to discuss infection transmission risk to children in their care.
* Stefanowicz sees firsthand the effect of hate crime laws in Canada. Predicting what is ahead for America should such legislation pass, she says, "It is deeply saddening to see how many churchgoers/conservatives/Repu blicans are in favor of hate crime (laws). Americans have no idea what hate crime really is all about."
* Her concerns are backed up by statistics. A 2007 Gallup poll indicated a majority of Americans (68 percent) support expanding hate crimes laws. According to USA Today, "Majorities of frequent churchgoers (62 percent), conservatives (57 percent), and Republicans (60 percent) also were in favor of the legislation."
Continuing, Stefanowicz says, "Unfortunately, charities that speak against homosexuality will lose their charitable status and be fined. Media will also get shut down by the FCC if anything negative is said about homosexuality, and mention is made of the health risks, research on causes, and possibility of people leaving the lifestyle. "Gay" activists will go back into web archives and make complaints about offensive articles and links. Pastors will also be sued and church denominations could lose their tax exempt status."
Stefanowicz sees a dire future if hate crime laws are strengthened, stating, "With hate crime federally implemented, soon Human Rights Commissions – the likes of what we have in Canada – will hold tribunals in every state, prosecuting those who speak against the sin of homosexuality or mention any health dangers associated with homosexuality.… In Canada, it is a 100% conviction rate."
Do hate crime laws really protect children? No. They protect adults perpetrating acts of indecency on minors.

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