Same-sex marriage: It's inevitable

Same-sex marriage: It's inevitable

There are 24 comments on the www.latimes.com story from Feb 12, 2012, titled Same-sex marriage: It's inevitable. In it, www.latimes.com reports that:

With more openly gay people and strong support for same-sex unions among the young, the war is over even as the fighting continues.

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“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#21 Feb 13, 2012
eJohn wrote:
I've often wondered what group they will target next when demonizing GLBT folks doesn't work well enough anymore. Single mothers? Divorcees? Their options are drying up around them, aren't they?
Oh, I don't know. Perhaps people who use contraceptives and get PAP smears?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#22 Feb 13, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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Oh, I don't know. Perhaps people who use contraceptives and get PAP smears?
Yeah, but will there ever be big, big, BIG bucks involved in hating on people that use birth control?? Especially since virtually ALL straight people use contraceptives at some point in their life.

I just can't picture a group that could be demonized as easily and effectively as GLBT folks can. Certainly they could demonize Islam easily enough, but talk about walking on thin ice!! When you start throwing stones at someone else's crazy mythology, it's really easy for them to throw those same stones right back. I think only the craziest of the crazy fringe of "christian" fundies would be THAT stupid.....

Maybe they'll finally have to face the fact that there just isn't going to be as much money in hating people as there used to be and they'll have to find some other way to make themselves fat and rich.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#23 Feb 13, 2012
eJohn wrote:
I just can't picture a group that could be demonized as easily and effectively as GLBT folks can.
Obviously, my previous response was meant as a social commentary, not an answer to your question.
You are completely wrong, however, that the Christian hate industry can not go after another religion. They have been doing it for thousands of years. Even though Christians and Jews share much heritage and beliefs, look what the former did to the latter as recently as seventy years ago.[Even in our life-times, growing up Jewish in a Christian community wasn't always a bowl of cherries.]
And don't forget that Christians and Muslims have been trying to wipe each other out for 15 centuries. Americans seem oblivious to the fact that our intervention in the Persian Gulf just looks like a continuation of the Crusades to the locals.
Of course, there are always the immigrants toward whom we can direct our anger. This has been an American favorite for two hundred years.
We also shouldn't rule out the intellectuals. They have often been the target of the most violent and self-destructive eruptions of insanity. The contempt of the religious folk for evolution and science should not be taken lightly.
Hominids are by nature tribal. They like to form groups for protection, and they are naturally afraid of "others." At its best, spiritual leaders lead others in helping us overcome those tendencies and work together. But it's actually much easier and more lucrative to manipulate these tendencies.
So there will always be someone who seems different and easy to pick on. Gays, like Jews, are perfect targets because of the small but significant population and the distribution along the social and economic ladders. Members of both populations may not be obvious until they reveal themselves to others.
So who is the next perfect target? We're looking for a population range of 2-5% widely distributed through government and society. The population can not be large enough to have real power without the aid of allies. But they must have well-known leaders--enough that their detractors can name a dozen powerful leaders and "prove" that the group has more power than they deserve for the size of their population. For this ruse to be effective, it helps if the poor and average members of the group are relatively invisible.
For these reasons, immigrants may not be the ideal target, although plenty of anti-immigration leaders are making a livelihood anyway. They don't have enough people in positions of power to represent a real threat, and the hoards of powerless immigrants is too obvious.
Muslims, at the moment, are probably not spread uniformly enough across American, and there are not enough famous Muslims in power. Although Muslims can be any race, they do tend to come from countries where their differences are noticable. People don't have an image of them as rich and powerful.
Mormons are a fairly good fit, and they've certainly experinced their share of discrimination. But they're concentrated in some areas where they are, in fact, quite powerful, and mostly invisible in others.[Still, if we could convince the evangelicals that all those suited young men are just trying to steal their sons, we could get something going!]
So I'm going to go with social workers and community organizers. Watch out. If you helped someone who didn't deserve it, we're going to take it out of your hide.

Since: Mar 09

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#24 Feb 13, 2012
eJohn wrote:
"...the war is over, even as the fighting continues."
For the first time, I'm starting to believe that's true. I sure hope so, anyway.
Military education teaches, "Hope is never valid strategy or tactics."

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