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Gay couples ask high court for marriage equality

There are 220 comments on the The Daily Democrat story from Feb 22, 2013, titled Gay couples ask high court for marriage equality. In it, The Daily Democrat reports that:

Choosing a broad legal strategy with national implications, gay marriage advocates on Thursday urged the U.S. Supreme Court to strike down California's ban on same-sex nuptials and declare all such state laws unconstitutional.

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BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#130 Feb 24, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text> If you believe Civil Unions are equal, why don't you get one or encourage your family and friends to use that option?
Because my friends are generally superior people and don't require that I dictate how they feel or act. Nor do they require that I always agree with them. Your mileage may vary.

As for myself, I don't need one.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#131 Feb 24, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled...
That's a ruling, not a reason.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#132 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Why do civil unions necessarily have to require less than equal treatment?
It's not that they "have to".

They simply do.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#134 Feb 24, 2013
snyper wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not that they "have to".
They simply do.
That's as lame as saying "Gays don't "have to" be perverts, they simply are."

lides

“No Headline available”

Since: Jan 08

Defiance, Ohio

#135 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Like women? Like blacks?
<quoted text> It's not too bright to elect t\
BS Detector wrote:
Like women? Like blacks?
What part of the following do you not understand?

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BS Detector wrote:
It's not too bright to elect the morons we already have. I cite California in particular. But I agree that we don't need more laws... like invalidating centuries of how marriage is and has been defined by millions.
Congratulations, you illustrated that you can identify a problem, but canít offer a solution.
BS Detector wrote:
Not the reality. The notion. The reality in practice is quite different.
Youíve also offered that you can offer unrelated fragments with bearing upon the topic at hand.
BS Detector wrote:
And of course that notion is conveniently forgotten when demanding that certain taxpayers are arbitrarily taxed at a higher rate.

No, just high earners.
BS Detector wrote:
All you have to do is make the bogus claim using thoroughly dishonest and arbitrary terms like "fair share." And how equal is it that some others pay no federal income tax at all. So much for claims of equal treatment under the law. More like mob rule under the law. Is it any wonder that people and businesses leave California? And is it any wonder that corporations create offshore shell corporations outside the USA? And is it any wonder that those same corporations outsource jobs to the Third World?
Prove your bullshit. Sources are required.
BS Detector wrote:
So if and/or when your tantrums and demands are won, is it any wonder that so many people still won't like gays and the dishonesty of the politically lunatic fringe, feather boas and sequins?
Good post.
BS Detector wrote:
Like women? Like blacks?
What part of the following do you not understand?

ď
BS Detector wrote:
It's not too bright to elect the morons we already have. I cite California in particular. But I agree that we don't need more laws... like invalidating centuries of how marriage is and has been defined by millions.
Congratulations, you illustrated that you can identify a problem, but canít offer a solution.
BS Detector wrote:
Not the reality. The notion. The reality in practice is quite different.
Youíve also offered that you can offer unrelated fragments with bearing upon the topic at hand.
BS Detector wrote:
And of course that notion is conveniently forgotten when demanding that certain taxpayers are arbitrarily taxed at a higher rate.

No, just high earners.
BS Detector wrote:
All you have to do is make the bogus claim using thoroughly dishonest and arbitrary terms like "fair share." And how equal is it that some others pay no federal income tax at all. So much for claims of equal treatment under the law. More like mob rule under the law. Is it any wonder that people and businesses leave California? And is it any wonder that corporations create offshore shell corporations outside the USA? And is it any wonder that those same corporations outsource jobs to the Third World?
Prove your bullshit. Sources are required.
BS Detector wrote:
So if and/or when your tantrums and demands are won, is it any wonder that so many people still won't like gays and the dishonesty of the politically lunatic fringe, feather boas and sequins?
Good post.
You are a partisan tool, and not even a particularly effective one.
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“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#136 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> That's a ruling, not a reason.
In the Commonwealth of Massachusetts it's the law of the land. Civil unions ARE unconstitutional because of their inherent inequality. The ruling, gave the court's REASONS.

http://www.boston.com/news/specials/gay_marri...

“Equality for ALL”

Since: Jul 10

Massachusetts

#137 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
Because my friends are generally superior people and don't require that I dictate how they feel or act. Nor do they require that I always agree with them. Your mileage may vary.
As for myself, I don't need one.
But you have no reservations telling gays and lesbians how they should be able to live their lives. You tell us how we should be able to legally constitute our families.

Oh... you told us that you and your friends are 'superior people'. That explains everything. Well isn't that so much BS!
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#139 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> That's a ruling, not a reason.
And what are "rulings?"

You must be tired. Your arguments are sloppy.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#140 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> Like women? Like blacks?
<quoted text> It's not too bright to elect the morons we already have. I cite California in particular. But I agree that we don't need more laws... like invalidating centuries of how marriage is and has been defined by millions.
<quoted text> Not the reality. The notion. The reality in practice is quite different. And of course that notion is conveniently forgotten when demanding that certain taxpayers are arbitrarily taxed at a higher rate. All you have to do is make the bogus claim using thoroughly dishonest and arbitrary terms like "fair share." And how equal is it that some others pay no federal income tax at all. So much for claims of equal treatment under the law. More like mob rule under the law. Is it any wonder that people and businesses leave California? And is it any wonder that corporations create offshore shell corporations outside the USA? And is it any wonder that those same corporations outsource jobs to the Third World?
So if and/or when your tantrums and demands are won, is it any wonder that so many people still won't like gays and the dishonesty of the politically lunatic fringe, feather boas and sequins?
Good post.
An appeal to tradition is a logical fallacy. Appeal to Tradition is a fallacy that occurs when it is assumed that something is better or correct simply because it is older, traditional, or "always has been done." This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:

X is old or traditional
Therefore X is correct or better.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because the age of something does not automatically make it correct or better than something newer. This is made quite obvious by the following example: The theory that witches and demons cause disease is far older than the theory that microrganisms cause diseases. Therefore, the theory about witches and demons must be true.
Logic 101..... check into it.

You do realize that legally married same sex couples pay higher taxes than similarly situated opposite sex couples, right?

And why did you bring up taxes in the first place? Don't even try a silly guilt-by-association smear, blaming high taxes and job outsourcing on same sex marriage. You've become desperate.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#141 Feb 24, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> That's as lame as saying "Gays don't "have to" be perverts, they simply are."
No it isn't the same. Civil Unions don't work like they are supposed to, and besides that, the wacko fundies that passed State constitutional amendments banning same sex marriage also ban recognition of civil unions.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#142 Feb 24, 2013
blue lipstick wrote:
<quoted text>
That's right, you never know how the courts are going to rule. Hopefully they'll rule with a mighty hand against homo perversion.
How's that been working out lately?

Uve

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#144 Feb 24, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>How's that been working out lately?
Don't feed the troll, he'll 'toe tap' around any of your questions...LOL
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#145 Feb 24, 2013
blue lipstick wrote:
<quoted text>
Pretty good so far. How's it working for you [email protected]?
The Courts rule in my favor..... at least they do on earth... I don't know about your planet.
Xavier Breath

West New York, NJ

#146 Feb 24, 2013
Uve wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't feed the troll, he'll 'toe tap' around any of your questions...LOL
point taken
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#147 Feb 25, 2013
lides wrote:
<quoted text> You are a partisan tool, and not even a particularly effective one.
Gee, and here I was SURE I voted for Clinton! Twice!

Ah, your prejudice shows yet again. You must be so proud... to be outed as a fraud.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#148 Feb 25, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
No it isn't the same. Civil Unions don't work like they are supposed to, and besides that, the wacko fundies that passed State constitutional amendments banning same sex marriage also ban recognition of civil unions.
Then go after the whacko fundies, idiot.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#149 Feb 25, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text>
But you have no reservations telling gays and lesbians how they should be able to live their lives. You tell us how we should be able to legally constitute our families.
Oh... you told us that you and your friends are 'superior people'. That explains everything. Well isn't that so much BS!
If you were honest and even semi-intelligent (and my guess is that you are neither), you would notice that I don't tell you that you had to do anything. Thus, the BS is clearly yours. What I *did* tell you was that I do not support same sex marriage and I do support civil unions or domestic partnerships. Clear, simple, non-invective. I stand by that clear, simple, non-invective position. If you want to disagree with that like an adult,(and I realize that may be difficult for you... on several levels) feel free to do so.

Since I am so compassionate and helpful to those who have challenges or disabilities (although in truth, I'm not sure simple stupidity is specified or recognized in the DSM IV), you start like this. "I disagree. I feel/think/support..." and then you specify what you feel, think or support. See how easy it can be? Clear, simple, non-invective. You don't even need hysterics!
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#150 Feb 25, 2013
DaveinMass wrote:
<quoted text> Oh... you told us that you and your friends are 'superior people'. That explains everything.
Perhaps not everything, but it does explain a lot... if you are at all perceptive. And I told you my friends were superior people, which is true. I never made any claim about myself.
BS Detector

Los Angeles, CA

#151 Feb 25, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text> You do realize that legally married same sex couples pay higher taxes than similarly situated opposite sex couples, right?
Irrelevant.
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
And why did you bring up taxes in the first place? Don't even try a silly guilt-by-association smear, blaming high taxes and job outsourcing on same sex marriage. You've become desperate.
Smearing nobody. And what, exactly, do you fantasize that I'm desperate about? The disparate tax issue has nothing to do with same sex marriage, pro or con. Simply illustrating the fallacy/myth of equal protection/treatment under the law.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#152 Feb 25, 2013
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> That's as lame as saying "Gays don't "have to" be perverts, they simply are."
That would be a misapplication.

For an answer to your "why" proposition, you'd have to ask the individuals who wrote the Laws creating Civil Unions for THEIR motivations in writing the Laws that way. ANything else is mere speculation.

All I can say is that as they ARE written, they do.

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