The case we need

Sep 17, 2012 Full story: The Chronicle 52

I wonder if you heard about it; last week the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals made a landmark ruling in an abortion case.

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a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#41 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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I get where your coming from. I really do. One thing for sure,you can't force it. The children belong to the parents. Unless you can find it in the constitution,or pass a law to enforce it,on those prudish folks,your out of luck.
Yep. Guess so. If they don't want to tell their kids how their reproductive system works and won't let a school teacher tell them, their children will be left with no guidance and just have to figure it out themselves. Not great for reducing abortion rates.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#42 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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What other conditions would this women have to have? She's got 3 children already,is 33 years old. Lord knows she doesn't need anymore. This is just stupid.
My daughter had no problem getting hers,she was 28. She told the doctor,enough.
I guess he believed her.
Depends on the doctor. A friend was 33, had two older girls, smoked like a chimney and had a family history of all kinds of cancer, and she STILL couldn't get a doctor to do it. I hear stories like this all the time.

Of course it's stupid. Blame the sue-happy people who later changed their minds, causing the doctors to hestitate. Blame the culture that deep down thinks a woman must be fertile to be worthwhile, even if they don't acknowledge this.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#43 Sep 22, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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Donate now! There you go!
A donation to PP would only cover the procedure. Not the gas to get there, or the lost work. And what is she supposed to do with her kids while she's there?

Obviously, this is not a simple situation. Usually, you understand that.

I can't speak for the others, but this really surprises me from you. You're not normally so harshly judgemental.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#44 Sep 22, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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A donation to PP would only cover the procedure. Not the gas to get there, or the lost work. And what is she supposed to do with her kids while she's there?
Obviously, this is not a simple situation. Usually, you understand that.
I can't speak for the others, but this really surprises me from you. You're not normally so harshly judgemental.
This women has got under my skin, your right,normally I don't look at anyone in the way I do her.
I was wondering about the babysitter also,what did she do with her kids when she was rolling in the hay,or when she took the medication,to abort. Does it sound like she cares about her kids to you?
I find nothing being said about her taking anything to prevent her from becoming pregnant. Of course we'll hear,she couldn't afford them. Something is not right in assuming she pays for food,rent etc.,on 250.00.
I've read she's had one prior abortion eighteen months before,she paid for,and 3 miscarriages. I don't think this lady needs to go to jail,I think she needs a head doctor.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#45 Sep 22, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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This women has got under my skin, your right,normally I don't look at anyone in the way I do her.
I was wondering about the babysitter also,what did she do with her kids when she was rolling in the hay,or when she took the medication,to abort. Does it sound like she cares about her kids to you?
I find nothing being said about her taking anything to prevent her from becoming pregnant. Of course we'll hear,she couldn't afford them. Something is not right in assuming she pays for food,rent etc.,on 250.00.
I've read she's had one prior abortion eighteen months before,she paid for,and 3 miscarriages. I don't think this lady needs to go to jail,I think she needs a head doctor.
The whole point of the article was that she is NOT the sympathetic focal point needed for such a landmark court case, but that it shouldn't matter. The point being, with only two abortion clinics four hours away, are the laws in Idaho stating that abortion only be done by a physician in one of those clinics, an undue burden on a woman's right to choose.

You are allowing yourself to be distracted from the point by the woman, instead of concentrating on the point. A lot of people will do so.

BTW, I saw nothing about "3 miscarriages".

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#46 Sep 22, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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The whole point of the article was that she is NOT the sympathetic focal point needed for such a landmark court case, but that it shouldn't matter. The point being, with only two abortion clinics four hours away, are the laws in Idaho stating that abortion only be done by a physician in one of those clinics, an undue burden on a woman's right to choose.
You are allowing yourself to be distracted from the point by the woman, instead of concentrating on the point. A lot of people will do so.
BTW, I saw nothing about "3 miscarriages".
I believe this wasn't so much the distance as the money,she come up with a way to get there before,costing her 450.00 +. This one would cost 2 grand.
This makes me ask you how many abortion clinics should be in a town or city? When is undue burden undue burden?
I've read so many article,I'm not sure where I read it. I'll try and find it again.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#47 Sep 22, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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I believe this wasn't so much the distance as the money,she come up with a way to get there before,costing her 450.00 +. This one would cost 2 grand.
This makes me ask you how many abortion clinics should be in a town or city? When is undue burden undue burden?
I've read so many article,I'm not sure where I read it. I'll try and find it again.
You're judging without sufficient info. Did she lose a job since then? Do you know? DID it cost her 450, or did she qualify for less on a sliding scale based on income? Do you know? Would she have gone earlier if she could have managed it? Do you know?

We don't know. Again, you are allowing your self to be distracted by the woman instead of the point. She is not the point. Which WAS the point of the article.

We're not talking about a city. There are only two in the whole state. That IS an undue burden.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#48 Sep 22, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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You're judging without sufficient info. Did she lose a job since then? Do you know? DID it cost her 450, or did she qualify for less on a sliding scale based on income? Do you know? Would she have gone earlier if she could have managed it? Do you know?
We don't know. Again, you are allowing your self to be distracted by the woman instead of the point. She is not the point. Which WAS the point of the article.
We're not talking about a city. There are only two in the whole state. That IS an undue burden.
No,all I know is she got her hands on whatever the cost was and got one. This is the one before the shoebox one.
Alright,no more distractions, I'll try,lack of provides,lack of funds,lack of transportation,too many restrictions,did I miss anything? Does that cover undue burden? So what would you suggest?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#49 Sep 22, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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No,all I know is she got her hands on whatever the cost was and got one. This is the one before the shoebox one.
Alright,no more distractions, I'll try,lack of provides,lack of funds,lack of transportation,too many restrictions,did I miss anything? Does that cover undue burden? So what would you suggest?
Laws that do not place an undue burden.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#50 Sep 23, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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Laws that do not place an undue burden.
I've learn much since I post my first post in this. In Casey,the Court did not define precisely what constitutes a substantial obstacle,or undue burden. Both pro-life and pro-choice groups are hesitant,or scared,on the outcome,if this goes before the court again. Not having the money does cause a burden on someone. Not having money cause burdens on folk,in general,not only in the abortion issue. Should medicaid or state funds pay for it? This will not end pretty,if it ever does end. To be honest,I don't think it ever will.
God Is The Only Choice

Painesville, OH

#51 Sep 23, 2012
Wow, way too much discussion wasted here on a sick woman who needs to be in a mental ward. She didn't realize before 20 weeks that she wanted to abort? She is mentally ill. Sickening. In my opinion her other children need to be taken away from her before her next episode. Say, maybe drowning the other children?
Ocean56

AOL

#52 Sep 23, 2012
a voter wrote:
Yep. Guess so. If they don't want to tell their kids how their reproductive system works and won't let a school teacher tell them, their children will be left with no guidance and just have to figure it out themselves. Not great for reducing abortion rates.
Funny how the parents who either cannot or will not tell their teenage daughters the biological facts and how important it is to use protection ANY time they have sex -- or better yet, AVOID sex entirely -- are usually the ones whose teenage girls end up pregnant.

Thank goodness my parents told ME how easy it was to get pregnant, and why it would be wise for me to be sex-FREE (meaning free FROM sex) in high school. Thanks to them and their telling me the biological facts, I didn't end up "16 and Pregnant." Or pregnant at 17, 18 or 19, for that matter.:-)

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