The case we need

There are 52 comments on the The Chronicle story from Sep 17, 2012, titled The case we need. In it, The Chronicle reports that:

I wonder if you heard about it; last week the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals made a landmark ruling in an abortion case.

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“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#21 Sep 21, 2012
a voter wrote:
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Well you just can't make someone else's decisions for them. At the rate, PP is being fired upon and defunded, we can expect more unplanned pregnancies and more bad outcomes. Couple that with the states that are not wanting to teach sexual education and it's not a pretty picture.
Embracing the offer does not mean I'm deciding anything from her.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/plan...

Are you one of the parents who has a problem talking to you kids,about sex? What do you think ought to be taught in schools about sex?

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#22 Sep 21, 2012
realkatie wrote:
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Well aside from your multiple judgments, OL, I agree a tubal would seem to be in her best interests. Maybe she was denied or had no insurance for herself (one benefit cut was health coverage for parents over age 25 or 26). Have not read anything regarding this aspect, but maybe it's part of the case and will be made public at some point.
The only thing I've judged is her stupidity. She's lost contact with the mothership.
a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#23 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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Embracing the offer does not mean I'm deciding anything from her.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/26/plan...
Are you one of the parents who has a problem talking to you kids,about sex? What do you think ought to be taught in schools about sex?
The reproductive system needs to be taught in schools. Puberty, pregnancy, how to protect yourself from disease and emotional abuse. Our society has made sex and sexual education so taboo, people get offended at the word vagina, so they'd rather not speak of sex and just brush it under the rug. They act as if people don't have a natural interest in sex and that's only true if you're asexual, which most of us aren't. Sex can be natural and healthy when not abused.

No problems talking about sex here when the time comes. I don't think it's a taboo subject like previous generations. Life is sexually transmitted. Virtually all mammmals procreate the same way. It's basic. Understanding the taboo society puts on it when humans are involved is the complicated part, somehow then, it's dirty or some sort of perversion. No wonder kids are confused. They have urges that no one wants to talk about so they are left to figure it out on their own.

“Rockabye”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#24 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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The only thing I've judged is her stupidity. She's lost contact with the mothership.
You labeled her unintelligent, yes. You also labeled her a faux-victim and ignorant of her reproductive cycle. Then you hint at abusiveness, as if the label belongs on her. See below:
OLD LADY wrote:
<quoted text>This isn't about intelligence,she has none. She's playing the victim in this mess. I'm guessing she had no idea what caused her health problem? Look Katie, abuse comes in all forms.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TH1K...

I do agree with you a tubal may be in her better interests. So far, I haven't seen any info regarding this point.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#25 Sep 21, 2012
Sad story altogether...

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#26 Sep 21, 2012
realkatie wrote:
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You labeled her unintelligent, yes. You also labeled her a faux-victim and ignorant of her reproductive cycle. Then you hint at abusiveness, as if the label belongs on her. See below:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/abortion/TH1K...
I do agree with you a tubal may be in her better interests. So far, I haven't seen any info regarding this point.
I label her for what I believe she is. Ignorant mostly.
That's because there is no information,its my opinion. I think it would help this women. She doesn't need another accident,to occur. Where is Planned Parenthood?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#27 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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I label her for what I believe she is. Ignorant mostly.
That's because there is no information,its my opinion. I think it would help this women. She doesn't need another accident,to occur. Where is Planned Parenthood?
A four hour drive from her home, and with a 24 hour mandatory waiting period necessitating either a total of 16 hours worth of gas, or 8 hours worth of gas, food and overnight lodging.

Yes, a tubal probably would help, but it's hard to get a doctor to agree to do one unless you fullfil certain conditions. It's not as easy as you apparently think it is.

The only reason I got one at 30 was because I was having my third C-Section, couldn't have another without damaging my health, and had no hope of ever delivering vaginally.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#28 Sep 21, 2012
a voter wrote:
<quoted text>
The reproductive system needs to be taught in schools. Puberty, pregnancy, how to protect yourself from disease and emotional abuse. Our society has made sex and sexual education so taboo, people get offended at the word vagina, so they'd rather not speak of sex and just brush it under the rug. They act as if people don't have a natural interest in sex and that's only true if you're asexual, which most of us aren't. Sex can be natural and healthy when not abused.
No problems talking about sex here when the time comes. I don't think it's a taboo subject like previous generations. Life is sexually transmitted. Virtually all mammmals procreate the same way. It's basic. Understanding the taboo society puts on it when humans are involved is the complicated part, somehow then, it's dirty or some sort of perversion. No wonder kids are confused. They have urges that no one wants to talk about so they are left to figure it out on their own.
Well dear,I'm 65 years old,my mother was not comfortable speaking about sex,but I on the other hand I have no problem. I think most parents, are afraid what others will tell their kids. Maybe a good thing would be that parents and teachers address this together in class. So parents would know what's going on. At what age should we start?
Now,how would you implement it? You do know it's going to be a hard thing to do. There are folks that would rather do it themselves,and will fight it tooth and nail,against it.
a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#29 Sep 21, 2012
Bitner wrote:
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A four hour drive from her home, and with a 24 hour mandatory waiting period necessitating either a total of 16 hours worth of gas, or 8 hours worth of gas, food and overnight lodging.
Yes, a tubal probably would help, but it's hard to get a doctor to agree to do one unless you fullfil certain conditions. It's not as easy as you apparently think it is.
The only reason I got one at 30 was because I was having my third C-Section, couldn't have another without damaging my health, and had no hope of ever delivering vaginally.
How could an unemployed mother of 3 living on child support afford the cost of a tubal ligation? I know it's a rhetorical question but anyone unemployed usually can't afford anything medical.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#30 Sep 21, 2012
Bitner wrote:
<quoted text>
A four hour drive from her home, and with a 24 hour mandatory waiting period necessitating either a total of 16 hours worth of gas, or 8 hours worth of gas, food and overnight lodging.
Yes, a tubal probably would help, but it's hard to get a doctor to agree to do one unless you fullfil certain conditions. It's not as easy as you apparently think it is.
The only reason I got one at 30 was because I was having my third C-Section, couldn't have another without damaging my health, and had no hope of ever delivering vaginally.
What other conditions would this women have to have? She's got 3 children already,is 33 years old. Lord knows she doesn't need anymore. This is just stupid.
My daughter had no problem getting hers,she was 28. She told the doctor,enough.
I guess he believed her.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#31 Sep 21, 2012
a voter wrote:
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How could an unemployed mother of 3 living on child support afford the cost of a tubal ligation? I know it's a rhetorical question but anyone unemployed usually can't afford anything medical.
Donate now! There you go!

“Rockabye”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#32 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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I label her for what I believe she is. Ignorant mostly.
That's because there is no information,its my opinion. I think it would help this women. She doesn't need another accident,to occur. Where is Planned Parenthood?
One in Boise, one in Twin Falls.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-cente...

The article states, "She had turned to the drug after realizing she had neither the time nor resources to seek an abortion from one of Idaho’s legally authorized abortion clinics (I could only find two of these after a fairly thorough Internet search). Both clinics are located in Boise, which is over four hours away from her home in Pocatello, Idaho."
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/case-we-...

I think you have a harsher opinion of this woman than you'd hold of a woman who miscarried two or more times consecutively. It's just my opinion, though.
a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#33 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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Donate now! There you go!
I am actually hoping that Planned Parenthood will keep it's funding since my tax dollars go the the government. But seeing as it was so far away for her, it probably wouldn't have helped her in this situation.

I am ultimately hoping at the rate medical expenses are rising that we will see either some regulation on costs in that field(which probably won't do enough for those who can't find gainful employment) or be offered a national health care plan that will actually bring us into the 21st century with all of the other 36 countries have have better health care systems for their citizens.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#34 Sep 21, 2012
realkatie wrote:
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One in Boise, one in Twin Falls.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-cente...
The article states, "She had turned to the drug after realizing she had neither the time nor resources to seek an abortion from one of Idaho’s legally authorized abortion clinics (I could only find two of these after a fairly thorough Internet search). Both clinics are located in Boise, which is over four hours away from her home in Pocatello, Idaho."
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/case-we-...
I think you have a harsher opinion of this woman than you'd hold of a woman who miscarried two or more times consecutively. It's just my opinion, though.
I read one article,of the police describing the fetus,maybe that's why. They weren't describing a clump of cells,not at 19-21 weeks.
a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#35 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
<quoted text>
Well dear,I'm 65 years old,my mother was not comfortable speaking about sex,but I on the other hand I have no problem. I think most parents, are afraid what others will tell their kids. Maybe a good thing would be that parents and teachers address this together in class. So parents would know what's going on. At what age should we start?
Now,how would you implement it? You do know it's going to be a hard thing to do. There are folks that would rather do it themselves,and will fight it tooth and nail,against it.
That really is the problem with this country. Too prudish and greedy for our own good. Something always offends someone or it's going to do something good for someone we don't like so we don't do anything or tie it up in court so long we can't do anything.

Is it worth letting our kids go uneducated about something that affects our population so much to not offend someone? Kids not having knowledge of their reproductive system b/c it makes someone uncomfortable is pretty asinine considering the risks. I think parents should fear the misinformation the kids will get from each other figuring it out on their own, rather than curriculum the teacher would teach. However, if parents are doing their jobs, a kid would already know about sexual health before their sexual health class.

Look at our teen birth rate, it's at historical lows. However, it's highest in states with abstinence only education policies. In states where comprehensive sex education is taught, the figures are the lowest. These young adults are smart enough to understand their bodies and need to be able to make informed decisions about their bodies.

Again, it being an uncomfortable topic isn't reason to let people go uneducated about sexual health. But, why do we make it so uncomfortable when it's how our species procreates?

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#36 Sep 21, 2012
realkatie wrote:
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But no dog had come along to disturb the box while out on her porch. That we know of, anyway.
That's good. No bears or other wildlife either, I hope.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#37 Sep 21, 2012
a voter wrote:
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I am actually hoping that Planned Parenthood will keep it's funding since my tax dollars go the the government. But seeing as it was so far away for her, it probably wouldn't have helped her in this situation.
I am ultimately hoping at the rate medical expenses are rising that we will see either some regulation on costs in that field(which probably won't do enough for those who can't find gainful employment) or be offered a national health care plan that will actually bring us into the 21st century with all of the other 36 countries have have better health care systems for their citizens.
It would help her now,if she wanted a tubal ligation,planned parenthood,who wants to help the poor,should help her now,don't you think?
a voter

Saint Augustine, FL

#38 Sep 21, 2012
OLD LADY wrote:
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It would help her now,if she wanted a tubal ligation,planned parenthood,who wants to help the poor,should help her now,don't you think?
IF that's her choice and it's available to her in her area, sure. Are they actively denying her help right now? I didn't see anything in the article about her currently being denied help getting a tubal.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#39 Sep 21, 2012
a voter wrote:
<quoted text>
That really is the problem with this country. Too prudish and greedy for our own good. Something always offends someone or it's going to do something good for someone we don't like so we don't do anything or tie it up in court so long we can't do anything.
Is it worth letting our kids go uneducated about something that affects our population so much to not offend someone? Kids not having knowledge of their reproductive system b/c it makes someone uncomfortable is pretty asinine considering the risks. I think parents should fear the misinformation the kids will get from each other figuring it out on their own, rather than curriculum the teacher would teach. However, if parents are doing their jobs, a kid would already know about sexual health before their sexual health class.
Look at our teen birth rate, it's at historical lows. However, it's highest in states with abstinence only education policies. In states where comprehensive sex education is taught, the figures are the lowest. These young adults are smart enough to understand their bodies and need to be able to make informed decisions about their bodies.
Again, it being an uncomfortable topic isn't reason to let people go uneducated about sexual health. But, why do we make it so uncomfortable when it's how our species procreates?
I get where your coming from. I really do. One thing for sure,you can't force it. The children belong to the parents. Unless you can find it in the constitution,or pass a law to enforce it,on those prudish folks,your out of luck.

“OUCH”

Since: Mar 07

Russell Springs, KY

#40 Sep 21, 2012
a voter wrote:
<quoted text>
IF that's her choice and it's available to her in her area, sure. Are they actively denying her help right now? I didn't see anything in the article about her currently being denied help getting a tubal.
I gave an opinion on here,that's all. Who knows if this women would even consider it,only her lawyer,I'm sure.

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