Major victories by proponents of same-sex marriage propel the issue to the Supreme Court

Same-sex marriages in the state will not resume as a result of the ruling because the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit stayed its order to allow an appeal. Full Story
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Since: May 12

Murfreesboro, TN

#44 Jun 6, 2012
Me personally, I want this before the Supreme Court, simply to get it done. I really don't care which way it is decided, because it has nothing to do with me, but I would like to ask a question. If the Supreme Court rules against gay marriage, will the gay community act like the pro choice people and continue to fight to get what they want or will they accept the ruling as final?
Resident Racist Saiuz

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#45 Jun 6, 2012
MountainOx wrote:
Me personally, I want this before the Supreme Court, simply to get it done. I really don't care which way it is decided, because it has nothing to do with me, but I would like to ask a question. If the Supreme Court rules against gay marriage, will the gay community act like the pro choice people and continue to fight to get what they want or will they accept the ruling as final?
You have never met anyone from the left in person, eh?
Green Fairy

Laguna Niguel, CA

#46 Jun 6, 2012
Resident Racist Saiuz wrote:
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That would make them roommates, not wives.
Because they're different?

“Goodbye ObamaCare”

Since: Mar 09

Hello Impeachment time

#47 Jun 6, 2012
MountainOx wrote:
Me personally, I want this before the Supreme Court, simply to get it done. I really don't care which way it is decided, because it has nothing to do with me, but I would like to ask a question. If the Supreme Court rules against gay marriage, will the gay community act like the pro choice people and continue to fight to get what they want or will they accept the ruling as final?
They may commit mass suicide. Many of them are known to be suicidal to begin with this may throw them over the edge as there is absolutely nothing they can do when SCOTUS rules in our favor...

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#48 Jun 6, 2012
FaFoxy wrote:
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If ou cannot write English correctly at a 3rd grade level, you don't have any credibility at all.
Back to school with ya !
Look who's talking about writing 3rd grade English. Typos happen don't they? LOL

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#49 Jun 6, 2012
Wayfollower wrote:
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Boy, you've got it covered don't you: no God, no sin.... You don't have to answer to anyone. Typical atheist sinner's claim!(and I am a sinner, too, I just have the decency to admit it!)
That would be Myth #6

"6) Atheists don’t have a moral code. Atheist are routinely asked how people will know not to rape and murder without religion telling them not to do it, especially a religion that backs up the orders with threats of hell. Believers, listen to me carefully when I say this: When you use this argument, you terrify atheists. We hear you saying that the only thing standing between you and Ted Bundy is a flimsy belief in a supernatural being made up by pre-literate people trying to figure out where the rain came from. This is not very reassuring if you’re trying to argue from a position of moral superiority.

If anything, atheism correlates to better behavior on average. Atheists are under-represented in prison, for instance, and more religious nations have higher rates of violent crime, teen pregnancy, early adult mortality and even abortion. But setting the numbers aside, we can see that even religious people generally believe that morality exists outside of religion. After all, most religious people condemn people who commit acts of evil in the name of religion. If religiosity were the measure of morality, terrorists who murder in the name of God would be more moral than atheists who pay their taxes and give to charity. You’ll find few believers agreeing that a murderous terrorist for God is a better person than a nonviolent atheist, showing that believers grasp that morality doesn’t come from religion, but that we can measure religious claims against our pre-existing understanding of morality."
Wayfollower

Fairmont, WV

#50 Jun 8, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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That would be Myth #6
Hardly a myth:

Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
"Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism ….there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …
The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.

The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!"

http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Mur...

And I would point out that every act of mass murder under the name of Christianity--such as the Inquisitions, mentioned in the above quote--is an act done by those who have CALLED themselves Christians. They most certainly were NOT true Christians!

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#51 Jun 8, 2012
Wayfollower wrote:
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Hardly a myth:
Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
"Apparently it was just an amazing coincidence that every Communist of historical note publicly declared his atheism ….there have been twenty-eight countries in world history that can be confirmed to have been ruled by regimes with avowed atheists at the helm … These twenty-eight historical regimes have been ruled by eighty-nine atheists, of whom more than half have engaged in democidal162 acts of the sort committed by Stalin and Mao …
The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war, civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined.
The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.
Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation!"
http://conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_Mass_Mur...
And I would point out that every act of mass murder under the name of Christianity--such as the Inquisitions, mentioned in the above quote--is an act done by those who have CALLED themselves Christians. They most certainly were NOT true Christians!
You're referencing conservapadia. LOL You may as well throw in FAUX Noise while you're at it.

Anyway, sure there have been leaders of countries in the past who have committed atrocities and may have been atheists. However, they committed those atrocities in the name of a political agenda and not for a nonreligious agenda. One could easily also say they were not True Atheists(True Christians anyone?). This is just a red herring used by godbots in a effort to make their god of the bible look good, despite this supposed god being a homicidal, patricidal, infanticidal, genocidal, slave loving maniac. This made the Inquisition look like a walk in the park.

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#52 Jun 8, 2012
Wayfollower wrote:
<quoted text>Vox Day notes concerning atheism and mass murder:
Theodore Beale

Theodore Beale, known by his pseudonym Vox Day,[1] is a game designer, "musician,"[2] libertarian, apologist, and all-around idiot. He is a regular pundit for WorldNetDaily (which says a lot about the demographic he's pitching to). Vox Day also has his own website, voxday.net , and a blog, Vox Popoli, on which he attempts to "disprove" atheism, environmentalism, and liberalism through extensive use of poorly-thought out attacks. He also wrote the book The Irrational Atheist: Dissecting the Unholy Trinity of Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens, which pioneered some of the most popular methods of "debating" atheists (mostly just calling them names).
He is a member of Mensa and, according to himself, has an IQ "[o]ver the so-called 'genius' threshhold."[3] This demonstrates one of two things: Showcasing how allegedly smart people can make a living saying very stupid things, or that the IQ test is severely overrated as a measure of actual intellectual capacity.

Beliefs and claims
Vox Day is generally a libertarian and disagrees with the GOP over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but he has shown signs of moving towards the Right in terms of social issues such as homosexuality. He is also a major Austrian school crank and gold bug (note all the Ludwig von Mises Institute and gold links on his blog). He generally prefers to stick to battling atheists because it is far less likely to divide his small audience.
The man also claims, in The Irrational Atheist, to refute the Euthyphro problem, which asks whether something is good because God says it, or God says it because it is good. His solution seems to be that it is both. He also uses the ad hominem/non sequitur argument "Richard Dawkins is socially autistic, therefore Goddidit" very prominently in a stroke of genius that has garnered the attention of "respected institutions" such as Conservapedia. The screed is downloadable from his web site in all popular formats.
He is a creationist and "anti-materialist" (read: "anti-science"), which has caused him to enter numerous spats with, among others, PZ Myers and Phil Plait.[4]
According to him, "female equalitarianism" is a greater threat to science than religion.[5][6] In response to a blog posting by PZ Myers questioning how, exactly, many of the unsavoury aspects of religion benefited women, Beale suggested that honor killings, throwing acid in women's faces and even genital mutilation benefited women because they prevent female independence and promiscuity, which he repeatedly referred to as social ills.[7]"

“Tis the Season for Reason!”

Since: Feb 11

Pale Blue Dot

#53 Jun 8, 2012
Theodore Beale continued:

Insights

Some of his most brilliant insights are to be found on Vox Popoli or in The Irrational Atheist. On teh geyz, he says:

“Homosexuality is a birth defect from every relevant secular, material, and sociological perspective...[we must] help them achieve sexual normality[8]”

On Muslims and Brits:

“You silly English twit. Limit your historically ignorant, politically correct, socialist sensitivity concerns to Londonistan and the rest of your island.[9]”

His refutation of atheism:

“[I]mpaired social cognition... is the hallmark of the militant New Atheists.[T]he anti-religious socially autistic crusaders... simply cannot understand that your religious beliefs, whatever they might be, are no legitimate concern of theirs.[10] High Church atheism may be little more than a mental disorder taking the form of literal autism.[11]”

On race and intelligence:

“It is absurd to imagine that there is absolutely no link between race and intelligence.[12]”

On how to bring peace to the Middle East:

“The Israeli government must announce to the world a unilateral ceasefire, balanced by the deadly promise that for every Israeli soldier killed, 25 Palestinian police will die. For every civilian, 100 non-combatant Palestinian adults will be slain, and for every child, 1000 adults.[13]"

And perhaps most horrifically, on women (our emphasis):

“Because they are the intellectual driving force of humanity, men will be fine... It is written that women ruin everything.[5]”
And
“First, there is no such thing as marital rape. Once consent is formally given in public ceremony, it cannot be revoked [14]”

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale
Wayfollower

Fairmont, WV

#54 Jun 8, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
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1. You're referencing conservapadia. LOL You may as well throw in FAUX Noise while you're at it.
2. Anyway, sure there have been leaders of countries in the past who have committed atrocities and may have been atheists. However, they committed those atrocities in the name of a political agenda and not for a nonreligious agenda.
3. One could easily also say they were not True Atheists(True Christians anyone?).
4. This is just a red herring used by godbots in a effort to make their god of the bible look good, despite this supposed god being a homicidal, patricidal, infanticidal, genocidal, slave loving maniac. This made the Inquisition look like a walk in the park.
1.Like, what, I should use a leftist, liberal source!(Anyway, it's a Genetic Fallacy)
2.Their agendas were irrelevant; they used atheistic, non-moral ideals to produce horrific crimes against mankind.(Fallacy of relevance)
3.What, pray tell, would a "true" atheist look like?
4.Nice use of the tried and true red herring to prove a red herring! Instead of answering any of the info. mentioned in the Vox Day quote, you go off on the typical tangient trying to discredit the writer rather than the writing (aka Genetic Fallacy). Also, your red herring is this idea that God is a monster, but you assert it because you have simply seen and heard all of your other atheist cohorts say it.(Bandwagon Fallacy: this one is specifically based on the absolute lack of understanding of the Bible).
How about trying to use your own logic rather than the logical fallacies of others.
Wayfollower

Fairmont, WV

#55 Jun 8, 2012
MrDesoto1 wrote:
Theodore Beale continued:
Insights
Some of his most brilliant insights are to be found on Vox Popoli or in The Irrational Atheist. On teh geyz, he says:
“Homosexuality is a birth defect from every relevant secular, material, and sociological perspective...[we must] help them achieve sexual normality[8]”
On Muslims and Brits:
“You silly English twit. Limit your historically ignorant, politically correct, socialist sensitivity concerns to Londonistan and the rest of your island.[9]”
His refutation of atheism:
“[I]mpaired social cognition... is the hallmark of the militant New Atheists.[T]he anti-religious socially autistic crusaders... simply cannot understand that your religious beliefs, whatever they might be, are no legitimate concern of theirs.[10] High Church atheism may be little more than a mental disorder taking the form of literal autism.[11]”
On race and intelligence:
“It is absurd to imagine that there is absolutely no link between race and intelligence.[12]”
On how to bring peace to the Middle East:
“The Israeli government must announce to the world a unilateral ceasefire, balanced by the deadly promise that for every Israeli soldier killed, 25 Palestinian police will die. For every civilian, 100 non-combatant Palestinian adults will be slain, and for every child, 1000 adults.[13]"
And perhaps most horrifically, on women (our emphasis):
“Because they are the intellectual driving force of humanity, men will be fine... It is written that women ruin everything.[5]”
And
“First, there is no such thing as marital rape. Once consent is formally given in public ceremony, it cannot be revoked [14]”
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Theodore_Beale
A lot of hot air, friend. This is all ad hominem fallacy!

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