7th Circuit Overturns Gun Ruling

7th Circuit Overturns Gun Ruling

There are 35 comments on the Boots and Sabers story from Jul 18, 2010, titled 7th Circuit Overturns Gun Ruling. In it, Boots and Sabers reports that:

Another bad ruling . Steve Skoien, 30, was convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence in 2006 - it was his second domestic battery conviction - and sentenced to probation.

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“Constitutionist/ SAF”

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#1 Jul 19, 2010
The antigun liberals can turn out more crazy laws than Ford could turn out Model T's.

Maybe we should stop blaming Judges and continue blaming lawmakers or ourselves.

Amerika has become a nation of nazis.

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#2 Jul 19, 2010
Tory II wrote:
The antigun liberals can turn out more crazy laws than Ford could turn out Model T's.
Maybe we should stop blaming Judges and continue blaming lawmakers or ourselves.
Amerika has become a nation of nazis.
Can you name someone besides yourself who isn't a Nazi?

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#3 Jul 20, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Can you name someone besides yourself who isn't a Nazi?
What does this mean (plain simple english):

Amerika has become a nation of Nazis ?

If you must ask the question then you are most likely a Nazi. Americans hate to be called NAZIS, but love to behave like them.

Some Americans who are (clearly) not Nazis:

Ron Paul
Glenn Beck
Bob Barr
Wayne LaPierre
Judge Andrew Napolitano
etc.

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#4 Jul 20, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>
What does this mean (plain simple english):
Amerika has become a nation of Nazis ?
If you must ask the question then you are most likely a Nazi. Americans hate to be called NAZIS, but love to behave like them.
Some Americans who are (clearly) not Nazis:
Ron Paul
Glenn Beck
Bob Barr
Wayne LaPierre
Judge Andrew Napolitano
etc.
Can someone who does not support the concept that the Aryan race is not a superior race be a Nazi?
Can someone who opposes reduction or elimination of our constitutional rights be a Nazi?
You continue to make a jackass out of yourself. It sounds like you are using a convoluted definition of Nazism. It seems like you are confusing Nazism with with Communism and/or Marxism. While Communism and Marxism do share some things in common with Nazism, they are completely different movements with totally different reasons for existing.

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#5 Jul 20, 2010
I misstated the following question in my previous post. It should read: Can someone who does not support the the concept that the Aryan race is a superior race be a Nazi?

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#6 Jul 20, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
I misstated the following question in my previous post. It should read: Can someone who does not support the concept that the Aryan race is a superior race be a Nazi?
Yes.

Racists who call themselves Nazis (skinheads or the KKK) are just racists who use the Nazi label (only because Hitler, the most famous Nazi, was also a racist). Why bother to focus on his racism when his destructive policies got millions of people murdered ?

AND, his use of Jews for slave labor was, equal to his racism, to help fund his war machine to get revenge for the Treaty of Versailles. Maybe he blamed Jews for the treaty.

A Nazi wants all individuals to give up their freedom for the benefit of the common good (gun control). Nazi Germany was about excessive govt power and its end result to people.

Consider the context of the GUNS forum or the subject of Guns in any other forum. It's much less about racism unless I mention Jim Crow gun laws.

Americans are taught Hitler murdered Jews because he hated Jews (that he was a racist). They'll say he waged war because he hated Jews. But Hitler waged war to get revenge on Europe for the Versailles Treaty. I hate Hitler because of what he did to Jews. His invasion of Russia was a criminal act (to seize Russia's resources)? His invasion of France and attacks on England were probably justified. The holocause was inexcusable or unforgiveable. Govt is always our worst enemy. Only a powerful 'unlimited' govt can commit genocide or enslavement.

The Jews (anywhere) should be a protected race.

How can an educated person not know I'm referring to the subject of govt power/liberty when I refer to Nazis ? Where is the evidence that leads to racism (skinheads)?

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#7 Jul 20, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.
Racists who call themselves Nazis (skinheads or the KKK) are just racists who use the Nazi label (only because Hitler, the most famous Nazi, was also a racist). Why bother to focus on his racism when his destructive policies got millions of people murdered ?
AND, his use of Jews for slave labor was, equal to his racism, to help fund his war machine to get revenge for the Treaty of Versailles. Maybe he blamed Jews for the treaty.
A Nazi wants all individuals to give up their freedom for the benefit of the common good (gun control). Nazi Germany was about excessive govt power and its end result to people.
Consider the context of the GUNS forum or the subject of Guns in any other forum. It's much less about racism unless I mention Jim Crow gun laws.
Americans are taught Hitler murdered Jews because he hated Jews (that he was a racist). They'll say he waged war because he hated Jews. But Hitler waged war to get revenge on Europe for the Versailles Treaty. I hate Hitler because of what he did to Jews. His invasion of Russia was a criminal act (to seize Russia's resources)? His invasion of France and attacks on England were probably justified. The holocause was inexcusable or unforgiveable. Govt is always our worst enemy. Only a powerful 'unlimited' govt can commit genocide or enslavement.
The Jews (anywhere) should be a protected race.
How can an educated person not know I'm referring to the subject of govt power/liberty when I refer to Nazis ? Where is the evidence that leads to racism (skinheads)?
The whole Nazi movement was predicated on the theory that the Aryan race was superior to all others and that the Germans were the purest Aryan race. If you do not believe in Aryan superiority, by definition, you are not a Nazi.

Let us examine your line of thinking.
Nazis oppose gun ownership.
Obama opposes gun ownership.
Therefore, Obama is a Nazi.
However, using the same form of reasoning:
A man is a human.
Sarah Palin is a human.
Therefore, Sarah Palin is a man.
Your reasoning would receive a failing grade in Logic 101. I would suggest reading the Wikipedia article on Nazism.

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#8 Jul 20, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
The whole Nazi movement was predicated on the theory that the Aryan race was superior to all others and that the Germans were the purest Aryan race. If you do not believe in Aryan superiority, by definition, you are not a Nazi.
Let us examine your line of thinking.
Nazis oppose gun ownership.
Obama opposes gun ownership.
Therefore, Obama is a Nazi.
However, using the same form of reasoning:
A man is a human.
Sarah Palin is a human.
Therefore, Sarah Palin is a man.
Your reasoning would receive a failing grade in Logic 101. I would suggest reading the Wikipedia article on Nazism.
My reasoning would receive a failing grade only if my teacher were a Nazi. By now, can you feel the HATE emanating from this post (I HATE Nazis)?
flbadcatowner wrote:
The whole Nazi movement was predicated on the theory that the Aryan race was superior to all others and that the Germans were the purest Aryan race. If you do not believe in Aryan superiority, by definition, you are not a Nazi.
Partially wrong. Hitler was Austrian, and many of Nazi Germany's troops were not German at all. The Nazi movement was based on eliminating the requirements of the Versailles Treaty (and repairing Germany's economy). I'm not a historian and have never studied Hitler. Most Germans of the time saw Hitler as a leader who could repair Germany's economy (destroyed by war and by the treaty).

I (accurately) refer to any person who uses govt to control the masses as a Nazis (because that's what Hitler did). And since Hitler first disarmed the Jews before he forced them into camps, I refer to any person who uses govt to control the masses, AND supports gun control, as a Nazi.

Don't forget, fascism (a form of naziism) was popular at the time. Fascism was a form of economy. Hitler's German economy was fascist. Today we refer to a Fascist as a Nazi because it's the same thing. Nazi = Fascist = Socialist

Hitler may have believed the Germans to be a superior race but his primary motivations were to get revenge for the Versailles Treaty, liberate Germany from the treaty, and restore the German Republic. And as soon as he built a powerful military (or maybe before) he stopped paying off the fines that were established in the treaty.

Hitler was in the infantry during the first war (Bush was in the AirNationalGuard during VietNam).

And last: Amerikanos believe themselves to be superior to others just like the Nazis did. But our overseas military empire resembles the Romans more than the Nazis (or the Aryans).

YOU are simply trying to dodge the facts by using aryan bullshit to coverup Hitler's true motivations.
flbadcatowner wrote:
Nazis oppose gun ownership.
Obama opposes gun ownership.
Therefore, Obama is a Nazi.

However, using the same form of reasoning

A man is a human.
Sarah Palin is a human.
Therefore, Sarah Palin is a man.
Obama IS a Nazi. I usually refer to him as a socialist because that's more palateable to the sheep. No Amerikano can use racism, enslavement, genocide, or totalitarianism (collectivism) to carryout their political goals, so American politics are very carefully disguised.

And Sarah Palin could not possibly be a man (she's got about three or four kids.) Give me a better example.

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#9 Jul 20, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>
My reasoning would receive a failing grade only if my teacher were a Nazi. By now, can you feel the HATE emanating from this post (I HATE Nazis)?
<quoted text>
Partially wrong. Hitler was Austrian, and many of Nazi Germany's troops were not German at all. The Nazi movement was based on eliminating the requirements of the Versailles Treaty (and repairing Germany's economy). I'm not a historian and have never studied Hitler. Most Germans of the time saw Hitler as a leader who could repair Germany's economy (destroyed by war and by the treaty).
I (accurately) refer to any person who uses govt to control the masses as a Nazis (because that's what Hitler did). And since Hitler first disarmed the Jews before he forced them into camps, I refer to any person who uses govt to control the masses, AND supports gun control, as a Nazi.
Don't forget, fascism (a form of naziism) was popular at the time. Fascism was a form of economy. Hitler's German economy was fascist. Today we refer to a Fascist as a Nazi because it's the same thing. Nazi = Fascist = Socialist
Hitler may have believed the Germans to be a superior race but his primary motivations were to get revenge for the Versailles Treaty, liberate Germany from the treaty, and restore the German Republic. And as soon as he built a powerful military (or maybe before) he stopped paying off the fines that were established in the treaty.
Hitler was in the infantry during the first war (Bush was in the AirNationalGuard during VietNam).
And last: Amerikanos believe themselves to be superior to others just like the Nazis did. But our overseas military empire resembles the Romans more than the Nazis (or the Aryans).
YOU are simply trying to dodge the facts by using aryan bullshit to coverup Hitler's true motivations.
<quoted text>
Obama IS a Nazi. I usually refer to him as a socialist because that's more palateable to the sheep. No Amerikano can use racism, enslavement, genocide, or totalitarianism (collectivism) to carryout their political goals, so American politics are very carefully disguised.
And Sarah Palin could not possibly be a man (she's got about three or four kids.) Give me a better example.
Using a syllogism which uses the exact same format you would use to falsely prove that Obama is a Nazi can also be used to falsely prove Sarah Palin is a man. SORRY!!!!! but you flunk Logic 101. May I also note that Austrians are predominantly German in descent and certainly do qualify as Aryans. Calling Obama a Nazi is just plain irrational. If you were to call him a Socialist or a Marxist, it would make a lot more rational sense. I would agree that he has much more in common with Marxism and Socialism than he does with Nazism.

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#10 Jul 20, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>
My reasoning would receive a failing grade only if my teacher were a Nazi. By now, can you feel the HATE emanating from this post (I HATE Nazis)?
<quoted text>
Partially wrong. Hitler was Austrian, and many of Nazi Germany's troops were not German at all. The Nazi movement was based on eliminating the requirements of the Versailles Treaty (and repairing Germany's economy). I'm not a historian and have never studied Hitler. Most Germans of the time saw Hitler as a leader who could repair Germany's economy (destroyed by war and by the treaty).
I (accurately) refer to any person who uses govt to control the masses as a Nazis (because that's what Hitler did). And since Hitler first disarmed the Jews before he forced them into camps, I refer to any person who uses govt to control the masses, AND supports gun control, as a Nazi.
Don't forget, fascism (a form of naziism) was popular at the time. Fascism was a form of economy. Hitler's German economy was fascist. Today we refer to a Fascist as a Nazi because it's the same thing. Nazi = Fascist = Socialist
Hitler may have believed the Germans to be a superior race but his primary motivations were to get revenge for the Versailles Treaty, liberate Germany from the treaty, and restore the German Republic. And as soon as he built a powerful military (or maybe before) he stopped paying off the fines that were established in the treaty.
Hitler was in the infantry during the first war (Bush was in the AirNationalGuard during VietNam).
And last: Amerikanos believe themselves to be superior to others just like the Nazis did. But our overseas military empire resembles the Romans more than the Nazis (or the Aryans).
YOU are simply trying to dodge the facts by using aryan bullshit to coverup Hitler's true motivations.
<quoted text>
Obama IS a Nazi. I usually refer to him as a socialist because that's more palateable to the sheep. No Amerikano can use racism, enslavement, genocide, or totalitarianism (collectivism) to carryout their political goals, so American politics are very carefully disguised.
And Sarah Palin could not possibly be a man (she's got about three or four kids.) Give me a better example.
I would like to add That you certainly have the right to define Nazi as you please by virtue of Amendment I. You also have the right to make a jackass out of yourself, compliments of Amendment IX (lol). The rest of us choose to dismiss your definition as totally asinine. If you have become a lightning rod and a magnet, you have only yourself to blame.

As far as using government to control the masses, if you have a leader with any authority whatsoever, elected or otherwise, you have government controlling the masses.

As far as Nazism is concerned, a much better and more rational example of it than the "examples" you provided would be the former nation of Yugoslavia which when divided degenerated into "ethnic cleansing" based on racism which killed countless thousands of ethnic minorities.

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#11 Jul 20, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>Yes.
Racists who call themselves Nazis (skinheads or the KKK) are just racists who use the Nazi label (only because Hitler, the most famous Nazi, was also a racist). Why bother to focus on his racism when his destructive policies got millions of people murdered ?
AND, his use of Jews for slave labor was, equal to his racism, to help fund his war machine to get revenge for the Treaty of Versailles. Maybe he blamed Jews for the treaty.
A Nazi wants all individuals to give up their freedom for the benefit of the common good (gun control). Nazi Germany was about excessive govt power and its end result to people.
Consider the context of the GUNS forum or the subject of Guns in any other forum. It's much less about racism unless I mention Jim Crow gun laws.
Americans are taught Hitler murdered Jews because he hated Jews (that he was a racist). They'll say he waged war because he hated Jews. But Hitler waged war to get revenge on Europe for the Versailles Treaty. I hate Hitler because of what he did to Jews. His invasion of Russia was a criminal act (to seize Russia's resources)? His invasion of France and attacks on England were probably justified. The holocause was inexcusable or unforgiveable. Govt is always our worst enemy. Only a powerful 'unlimited' govt can commit genocide or enslavement.
The Jews (anywhere) should be a protected race.
How can an educated person not know I'm referring to the subject of govt power/liberty when I refer to Nazis ? Where is the evidence that leads to racism (skinheads)?
I was taught many things in school about WWII. One of the things I was never taught is that it was because of the Jews. Most Americans understand the holocaust as arising from WWII and not as the cause. Most of us realize that the Jews were mere political pawns in the hands of Hitler's grandiose schemes. Did I detect an admission that racism does play a role in Nazism?

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#12 Jul 21, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>I was taught many things in school about WWII. One of the things I was never taught is that it was because of the Jews. Most Americans understand the holocaust as arising from WWII and not as the cause. Most of us realize that the Jews were mere political pawns in the hands of Hitler's grandiose schemes. Did I detect an admission that racism does play a role in Nazism?
Nazi, I see your bullshit rhetoric regularly here on Topix. A Nazi will not resist pulling words from my mouth.

I never said WW II was caused by Jews.

Bullshit = propaganda = Nazi = YOU

Amerikanos are not a 'race', but they do believe in their superiority, Nazi, that's why I accurately say "Amerika has become a nation of Nazis".

It won't be long before you begin advocating gun control here at Topix (because, obviously, you're a dirty Nazi piece of shit).

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#13 Jul 21, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
As far as Nazism is concerned, a much better and more rational example of it than the "examples" you provided would be the former nation of Yugoslavia which when divided degenerated into "ethnic cleansing" based on racism which killed countless thousands of ethnic minorities.
The Serbs got revenge for what Bosnians did to them prior to and during WWII AND targeted Muslims.

Racism was very common all over the world. The absence of racism is a recent phenomenon. Slave labor was also common, and the Russians practiced slave labor during WWII.

As hard as you will try, you will never be like me, let it go, dummy.

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#14 Jul 21, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
Using a syllogism which uses the exact same format you would use to falsely prove that Obama is a Nazi can also be used to falsely prove Sarah Palin is a man. SORRY!!!!! but you flunk Logic 101.
Everyone knows Palin is NOT a man. And saying Obama is a Nazi (speaking to an adult) does not necessarily mean he's an actual member of the Nazi party of Nazi Germany. It means (to any intelligent adult) he is nazi like. Being nazi-like is good enough to make the point he has unAmerican values (or that he's a socialist).
flbadcatowner wrote:
May I also note that Austrians are predominantly German in descent and certainly do qualify as Aryans.
Dude, ALL Europeans could be Aryans, AND (you fking dummy) all people, all men and women, come from the same first homo sapiens, including people with the darkest skin pigments (Negroes). In other words, we all come from the same water.

Hitler, YOU, and any other racist, were simply ignorant about race. What, HOW, do you even think racist thought was eliminated recently.

Your ridiculous assertion that Hitler attacked Europe to prove Germans were racially superior and or to racially cleanse Europe is wrong. He invaded France to reclaim land that originally belonged to Germany (lost after WW I because of the Versailles treaty). No doubt he wanted to kick the crap out of the British too for what they did to Germany during and after WWI. The same for Russia with the exception Hitler wanted Russia's oil and minerals. He invaded Poland to reclaim land belonging to Germany (Silesia, where Auschwitz is).
flbadcatowner wrote:
< Calling Obama a Nazi is just plain irrational. If you were to call him a Socialist or a Marxist, it would make a lot more rational sense. I would agree that he has much more in common with Marxism and Socialism than he does with Nazism.
Socialism, Marxism, Naziism are all the same garbage. They depend on govt control over the masses. And they all require the govt to disarm the people. I don't have to write a book to explain all the details (unless I speak to a pos nazi like you).

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#15 Jul 21, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>Nazi, I see your bullshit rhetoric regularly here on Topix. A Nazi will not resist pulling words from my mouth.
I never said WW II was caused by Jews.
Bullshit = propaganda = Nazi = YOU
Amerikanos are not a 'race', but they do believe in their superiority, Nazi, that's why I accurately say "Amerika has become a nation of Nazis".
It won't be long before you begin advocating gun control here at Topix (because, obviously, you're a dirty Nazi piece of shit).
Au contrare. It is you doing the misrepresentation of my words. What I was trying to accomplish was to correct your incorrect statement that Americans have been taught that the Holocaust was the cause of WW II. If you read my postmore carefully, you will not see any assertion that I said that you said that the Holocaust caused WW II.

Getting back to what constitutes Nazism, it refers to Hitler's party in Germany who taught that the Aryan race was superior, and thus deserved to rule the rest of the world. Neo-Nazism refers to those who believe in racial superiority. Most neo-Nazis in our country believe in gun ownership as it gives them a better opportunity to create their own little paramilitary groups for the purpose of denying minorities the right to live in peace.

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#16 Jul 21, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>Au contrare. It is you doing the misrepresentation of my words. What I was trying to accomplish was to correct your incorrect statement that Americans have been taught that the Holocaust was the cause of WW II. If you read my postmore carefully, you will not see any assertion that I said that you said that the Holocaust caused WW II.
Getting back to what constitutes Nazism, it refers to Hitler's party in Germany who taught that the Aryan race was superior, and thus deserved to rule the rest of the world. Neo-Nazism refers to those who believe in racial superiority. Most neo-Nazis in our country believe in gun ownership as it gives them a better opportunity to create their own little paramilitary groups for the purpose of denying minorities the right to live in peace.
Nope. You're full of shit again. Your first assertion I don't know where you got it.

Hitler may have used the idea that aryans were superior ONLY to motivate Germans into going along with his schemes. Most people at the time were racist anyway. A nazi does not have to be a racist, nor do they have to believe in or support genocide or slavery. A Nazi believes in govt power over the people (that's what gun control is). All antigun Amerikanos are Nazis (babykillers), including Durbin and Schumer.

And, since you're in the habit of making crap up, your last comment about your re-occurring dream of butfking Hitler I don't know anything about perversions.

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#17 Jul 21, 2010
Dang Tory II, you should drink de-caf. Seriously.

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#18 Jul 22, 2010
Tory II wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. You're full of shit again. Your first assertion I don't know where you got it.
Hitler may have used the idea that aryans were superior ONLY to motivate Germans into going along with his schemes. Most people at the time were racist anyway. A nazi does not have to be a racist, nor do they have to believe in or support genocide or slavery. A Nazi believes in govt power over the people (that's what gun control is). All antigun Amerikanos are Nazis (babykillers), including Durbin and Schumer.
And, since you're in the habit of making crap up, your last comment about your re-occurring dream of butfking Hitler I don't know anything about perversions.
All governments have power over the people. If you can show me a link that uses your delusional definition of Nazi, I'd certainly like to see it. You are little more than a delusional potty mouth. Keep it up and the government one day may declare that you are too mentally ill to own a gun (LOL). Watch out! The "Nazis" are coming to take you away, ha ha.

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#19 Jul 22, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
All governments have power over the people.
Nazi, tell me the difference between 'unlimited govt' and 'limited govt'.
flbadcatowner wrote:
If you can show me a link that uses your delusional definition of Nazi, I'd certainly like to see it.
It's the definition that exposes you for what you are. Any American who advocates for gun control laws is a Nazi, plain and simple. I don't need a dictionary to define a Nazi.
flbadcatowner wrote:
You are little more than a delusional potty mouth. Keep it up and the government one day may declare that you are too mentally ill to own a gun (LOL). Watch out! The "Nazis" are coming to take you away, ha ha.
Exactly, that's one reason why I'm here, Nazi.

My re-occurring dream is being able to strap a Nazis' face to the exhaust pipe of a running internal combustion engine.
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#20 Jul 22, 2010
flbadcatowner wrote:
<quoted text>All governments have power over the people. If you can show me a link that uses your delusional definition of Nazi, I'd certainly like to see it. You are little more than a delusional potty mouth. Keep it up and the government one day may declare that you are too mentally ill to own a gun (LOL). Watch out! The "Nazis" are coming to take you away, ha ha.
All goverments are not susposed to have power over people.

The original intent of the founders, was for the people to have power over their goverment.

The goverment is susposed to serve the people.

The "Bill of rights ", primary reason for existance, is to protect individual rights , not collective rights.

The abreviation , NAZI, means National Socialists Workers Party.

Hitler , nationalized every business in Germany except the Krupp Firm.

Tory,you are correct regarding NAZI's being Socialists but you dilute the meaning of the term by calling everyone else a NAZI.

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