Lawyer for accused Nazi camp guard Demjanjuk: Deportation possi...

A lawyer for John Demjanjuk said U.S. immigration officials have told him they want to pick up the Ohio man on Tuesday for deportation to Germany, where an arrest warrant alleges the frail 89-year-old was a Nazi death camp guard.

[Rex Steele]

Good.
What is going to change by deporting an 89 year old man?
Nothing.
Let him die at home.
I don't want my tax money paying for his health care in prison.
Quit living so far in the past already!

[the past]

Soon all the living remenants of the Nazi era will be dead.

[Rex Steele]

the past wrote:

Soon all the living remenants of the Nazi era will be dead.

Then they will bitch about some other part of the era , it will never stop..

[Dead Horse]

Let me get this straight. This man was imprisoned in Israel for a few years while they determined his guilt. They eventually released him. Now Germany, in its never ending false guilt, decides that an 89 year old naturalized AMERICAN citizen who was found NOT GUILTY by Israel needs to go back and face charges. I am so ashamed that a judge allowed this to happen. The German courts should have been told to go @#$@ themselves.

[friendly]

If found guilty should not he be jailed ?

[Eric L]

Dead Horse wrote:

Let me get this straight. This man was imprisoned in Israel for a few years while they determined his guilt. They eventually released him. Now Germany, in its never ending false guilt, decides that an 89 year old naturalized AMERICAN citizen who was found NOT GUILTY by Israel needs to go back and face charges. I am so ashamed that a judge allowed this to happen. The German courts should have been told to go @#$@ themselves.

Illegally naturalized "American" citizen who was a Nazi war criminal who LIED on his citizenship application to get in line before those who wanted to immigrate here who were far more deserving. There were plenty of Chinese Nationalist vets after the Chinese Civil War who died trying to get to the US but were refused due to racist immigration quotas, yet this pondscum who fought against the Allies was allowed citizenship priviliges that he did nothing to earn at all. He is no victim, but a creep who benefitted unfairly from the misfortunes of others. US citizenship should not be cheapened any further by allowing him to stay.Demjanjuk should be deported immediately.

[Doctor Lecter]

Eric L wrote:

<quoted text>
Illegally naturalized "American" citizen who was a Nazi war criminal who LIED on his citizenship application to get in line before those who wanted to immigrate here who were far more deserving. There were plenty of Chinese Nationalist vets after the Chinese Civil War who died trying to get to the US but were refused due to racist immigration quotas, yet this pondscum who fought against the Allies was allowed citizenship priviliges that he did nothing to earn at all. He is no victim, but a creep who benefitted unfairly from the misfortunes of others. US citizenship should not be cheapened any further by allowing him to stay.Demjanjuk should be deported immediately.

Hello Eric,

Demjanjuk did not admit to any lie to get into the USA.

The US Deptartment of Justice convinced an immigration judge that Demjanjuk could not prove where he was at all times during WWII. That's how low the bar was set to strip an American of citizenship.

How many immigrants could prove where they were at all times during WWII --even Jews who suffered at the hands of the Nazis?

Why aren't all who "lied" to get into the US being deported?

Get real.

And don't be so naive, for your own sake.

H

[Eric L]

Doctor Lecter wrote:

<quoted text>
Hello Eric,
Demjanjuk did not admit to any lie to get into the USA.
The US Deptartment of Justice convinced an immigration judge that Demjanjuk could not prove where he was at all times during WWII. That's how low the bar was set to strip an American of citizenship.
How many immigrants could prove where they were at all times during WWII --even Jews who suffered at the hands of the Nazis?
Why aren't all who "lied" to get into the US being deported?
Get real.
And don't be so naive, for your own sake.
H

Big difference between the average person who stretched the truth and a mass murderer from the Waffen SS. I would still say that he wasn't a victim for another reason in that there were thousands who died due to being excluded due to racist immigration policies (remnants of Chinese exclusion) who fought for the allies, while Demjanjuk undeservedly enjoyed freedom and opportunity here. He is documented SS (this was not a case of not having a precise alibi) and his old SS photo ID complete with photo and stamp seal have been uncovered. US and Soviet archioves are not a conspiracy theory, just primary source documents that any researcher or historian uses to determine facts.
As far as Jews were concerned, most were sent to concentration camps and tattooed. The Germans also had ID cards and files made on them and seized their personal files-plenty of these are at our national archives and we can also currently access Soviet archives.Ironically, these are also another source on Demjanjuk too since he served in the Soviet army before he decided to abandon them for his German SS pals(once a rat, always a rat).

[Eric L]

Doctor Lecter wrote:

<quoted text>
Hello Eric,
Demjanjuk did not admit to any lie to get into the USA.
The US Deptartment of Justice convinced an immigration judge that Demjanjuk could not prove where he was at all times during WWII. That's how low the bar was set to strip an American of citizenship.
How many immigrants could prove where they were at all times during WWII --even Jews who suffered at the hands of the Nazis?
Why aren't all who "lied" to get into the US being deported?
Get real.
And don't be so naive, for your own sake.
H

One wouldn't think that Demjanjuk would "admit to any lie" to get US citizenship- we weren't exactly rolling out the red carpet for SS vets. He wasn't smart or skilled enough to have red tape cut for him like the Operation Paperclip types (Gehlen and von Braun), but he was smart enough to know that honesty could well have excluded him from being eligible for naturalization. It wasn't a low bar either-the Justice Department has found his old files. The only people who were eligible to be deported by law have been either criminals or those deemed undesireable due to ethnic background(i.e.Asians from 1882-1965). The first has always required documented evidence, the latter only needed to prove race alone (regardless of character and documents).

[Doctor Lecter]

John Demjanjuk as a Ukrainian born in Soviet Ukraine was subject to automatic repatrtiation to Bolshevik Russia under the terms struck by America's darling "Uncle Joe" Stalin, the genocider and President Roosevelt.

Stalin wanted all Soviet-born Red Army veterans, slave laborers, and other nationals deported back to Bolshevik Russia.

Those unfortunates who were repatriated ended up either in the Gulag or in various Stalinist colonization of Siberia projects.

Right after WWII, Ukrainians and other ethnic groups who found themselves as refugees in defeated Germany were not keen to discuss their origins for fear of repatriation by the Allies, especially in the American Zone, back to barbaric Bolshevik Russia.

The fact the Demjanjuk could not produce evidence of his whereabouts during WWII is hardly surprising. Most refugees from Stalinist Russia in Germany got rid of any documents that could be used to repatriate them back to the bloodthirsty Stalinist regime.

The US used Demjanjuk's inability to prove his whereabouts at all times during WWII as the pretext to strip him of his US citizenship and civil rights. This was a dirty trick to make his deportation to Germany easier.

Yes, indeed. The bar to strip Demjanjuk of his US citizenship in an immigration court was very, very low

Ironically the only "justice" group to have acted with any integrity in this tortuous 30 year persecution was the Israeli Supreme Court.

The so-called "new evidence" supplied by the discredited US Department of Justice Office of Special Investigations does nothing to prove Demjanjuk was a war criminal.

The US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations" has consistently acted without principles and shocked the world with their underhandedness during the Israel trial.

Is it a pathalogical case of "confirmation bias" that drives the unethical behavior of the US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations"?

...or is it the need to justify and expiate its existence as an organization at all costs including sacrificing "an easy target" 89 year-old ailing dementing retired auto worker?

One can only wonder what kind of financial resources anyone would need to have to defend themselves against this vicious and ruthless US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations" that now even resorts to entrapment-like Nazi Gestapo methods.

[Doctor Lecter]

Dead Horse wrote:

Let me get this straight. This man was imprisoned in Israel for a few years while they determined his guilt. They eventually released him. Now Germany, in its never ending false guilt, decides that an 89 year old naturalized AMERICAN citizen who was found NOT GUILTY by Israel needs to go back and face charges. I am so ashamed that a judge allowed this to happen. The German courts should have been told to go @#$@ themselves.

Hello Dead Horse,

This is all about creating a perception and illusion that the USA and Germany have been serious about prosecuting war criminals.

The fact is Germany has been the safest place on earth for real German Nazi war criminals.

Germany refuses to extradite its German Nazi war criminals to other countries where crimes were committed.

Germany also passed a statute of limitations on its own war crimes.

That's why an "easy target" like Demjanjuk was picked --to create the illusion for posterity that Germany sought justice. Ironically, a simple autoworker has frustrated these appallingly unethical and Machaivellian attempts by the US Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations to frame Demjanjuk (even resorting to falsified ID card and other evidence supplied by the psychopathic Yuri Andropov, Chief of Russia's notorious KGB.)

Look at all the press this case has been given over the last thirty years.

Meanwhile aging arch-Nazis in Germany have been well-protected and have safely retired with fat pensions.

Ta-ta

H

[Eric L]

The OSI is not thoroughly "discredited" nor are those Soviet archives,including a lot of the original files and IDs made by the Nazis for themselves and collaborators. If you know Solzhenitsyn and want formal documented proof for his experiences, then you need the same Soviet archives that Applebaum used. The OSI/OSS collected Nazi files as well. Character assassination of US,Soviet and Israeli intel sources(all of whom use German files as source material as well) doesn not make a very good case for Demjanjuk's defense.
Everyojne knows that the Germans protected a lot of their war criminals from Waffen SS, Police battalions. Same goes for the Vatican, the Americas (including the US) with Paperclip,Argentina, Brazil etc. but that doesn't make Demjanjuk innocent or eligible for a get out of jail free card. The tu quot/pot calls kettle black defense is a smokescreen. There are wheelmen and accomplices to murders who get prison time because they are guilty as participants in crime because all were knoingly involved.

[Doctor Lecter]

Dead Horse wrote:

Let me get this straight. This man was imprisoned in Israel for a few years while they determined his guilt. They eventually released him. Now Germany, in its never ending false guilt, decides that an 89 year old naturalized AMERICAN citizen who was found NOT GUILTY by Israel needs to go back and face charges. I am so ashamed that a judge allowed this to happen. The German courts should have been told to go @#$@ themselves.

Hello Dead Horse,

The US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations" was thoroughly discredited in the Israel trial for withholding critical evidence it had that would have exonerated Demjanjuk.

First of all Israeli Holocaust witnesses claimed "Ivan the Terrible" had been killed by prisoners, that he was much older than John Demjanjuk, and was someone else altogether --someone known as Ivan Marchenko.

Most interesting was that John Demjanjuk, in his old age, was impossibly taller than the height indicated on the counterfeit KGB-supplied ID card often seen in news article press photos.

The real "Ivan the Terrible" was described as a callous, remorseless, ruthless. sadistic, primary instrumentally violent psychopath --the very opposite of how John Demjanjuk has been described by those who have known him for over 50 years..

Psychopathy has a life-long course. There is no cure for psychopathy. Clinical psychopaths don't change their spots --and John Demjanjuk's empathic and open behavior is the best evidence that he was not the psychopathic "Ivan the Terrible."

The discredited US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations" was thoroughly discredited in Israel and continues to behave true to form like Nazi-Gestapo persecutors.

John Demjanjuk like any anyone is "Innocent until proven guilty."

The discredited and vindictive US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations" attempts to entrap John Demjanjuk may result in an unfair deportation.

Nevertheless, the hatred and revenge motivating the persecution of John Demjanjuk will still not make him guilty.

Ta-ta

H

[Eric L]

The thing that people forget is that a lot of these war criminals (then and now) lived otherwise "normal" lives with families and kids, well respected and loved by friends and communities etc.(one could argue the same for John Wayne Gacy, the Green River Killer etc.) "Character" witnesses are pretty useless in determining the facts regarding guilt for crimes. For one, many lead double lives and lie to their own families. In other cases when the families did know about the crimes (the SS killing Jews, allied POWs and photographing these), they approved of the crimes and these were "normal" acceptable behavior in such twisted societies.Plus these are friends and families, so they automatically have a bias towards the accused.

[Doctor Lecter]

John Demjanjuk of Cleveland has never fit the psychopathic profile of "Ivan the Terrible."

The real "Ivan the Terrible" was a huge, brutal, sadistic guard at Treblinka, who "bashed in babies' heads and slashed off women's breasts."

"Ivan the Terrible" was not someone who as "just following orders." He was not an ordinary killer or guard, but a sadistic primary psychopath --and his behavior would have been pathalogically devoid of empathy, characterized by pathological lying, grandiosity, impulsiveness and a host of other characteristics --behavior very inconsistent with the behavior of John Demjanjuk of Cleveland.

Any forensic psychiatrist assessment would have detected psychopathy in John Demjanjuk of Cleveland --but there has been none.

In any case. all witnesses after 60 years are pretty well useless, due to confabulation. There is overwhelming scientific evidence that memories are very unreliable --especially after 60 years and this will completely frustrate the prosecution if a trial ever happens.

Many of the guards and the collaborating "kapos" --the Jewish collaborators at the Nazi German death camps --as well as the guards like "Ivan the Terrible" were killed off by the inmates right upon liberation.

Jewish survivors of the claimed that the real "Ivan the Terrible" had been killed right after liberation.

Many in Israel never accepted the disgraced US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations"charge that John Demjanjuk of Cleveland was guilty --and for good reason.

At the end of the day this trail in Germany, if it ever happens, will test the limits of human decency and legal theories of evidence and testimony.

This case lends strength to the proverb the "people learn nothing from history."

[Eric L]

Doctor Lecter wrote:

John Demjanjuk of Cleveland has never fit the psychopathic profile of "Ivan the Terrible."
The real "Ivan the Terrible" was a huge, brutal, sadistic guard at Treblinka, who "bashed in babies' heads and slashed off women's breasts."
"Ivan the Terrible" was not someone who as "just following orders." He was not an ordinary killer or guard, but a sadistic primary psychopath --and his behavior would have been pathalogically devoid of empathy, characterized by pathological lying, grandiosity, impulsiveness and a host of other characteristics --behavior very inconsistent with the behavior of John Demjanjuk of Cleveland.
Any forensic psychiatrist assessment would have detected psychopathy in John Demjanjuk of Cleveland --but there has been none.
In any case. all witnesses after 60 years are pretty well useless, due to confabulation. There is overwhelming scientific evidence that memories are very unreliable --especially after 60 years and this will completely frustrate the prosecution if a trial ever happens.
Many of the guards and the collaborating "kapos" --the Jewish collaborators at the Nazi German death camps --as well as the guards like "Ivan the Terrible" were killed off by the inmates right upon liberation.
Jewish survivors of the claimed that the real "Ivan the Terrible" had been killed right after liberation.
Many in Israel never accepted the disgraced US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations"charge that John Demjanjuk of Cleveland was guilty --and for good reason.
At the end of the day this trail in Germany, if it ever happens, will test the limits of human decency and legal theories of evidence and testimony.
This case lends strength to the proverb the "people learn nothing from history."

I never said that John Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible, just that he a was a death camp guard. A lot of the guards, SS, police battalion personnel were not neccessarily sadistic,psychopathic type killers like Ivan. They committed horrible acts is a cold manner and lived otherwise normal lives.

[Dr Lecter]

This extradition of John Demjanjuk is a showy diversion from Germany's laxity in prosecuting its own real Nazi German war criminals living comfortably without fear of prosecution in Germany.

Psychopathy occurs in about 1 percent of the population. Hallmark traits of psychopathy are callousness, unemotionality, and lack of empathy. Most of the SS police were psychopathic, as this utterly evil work would naturally draw psychopaths to it --as would have any "volunteers" who willingly enjoyed doing such diabolical work. That also goes also for the Jewish kapos--the Jewish prisoners who willfully collaborated with the Nazi administration in the camps.(This would not apply to those who had been ordered to do work though.)

Any forensic psychiatrist would expect high psychopathy scores among not only the "Ivan the Terribles" but among all of the camp administration, especially those in contact with prisoners. These psychopathic individuals were well-known to the inmates who killed most of them upon liberation.

I expect that if there is a trial, the absense of psychopathic traits in John Demjanjuk of Cleveland will become a very important issue.

Other issues of course are the mental capacities to stand trial or of witnesses to testify, very dubious reliability of aging memories, and the reliability and trustworthiness of over six decades old evidence --just as ws the case in the trials in Israel. One must remember that forgeries found their way into the evidence at the Israel trial.

The discredited and biased US Department of Justice Office of Special Investigations is providing Germany with the so-called "new evidence" and that alone is serious cause for mistrust of the evidence.

There has also been six decades of opportunity for the evidence to be altered, forged or tampered with.

Being in Germany, or even at the site of one of those camps, does not necessarily imply one had to be a death camp guard. There were many civilian operations such as logging and railway reconstruction going on right at the camps or very near the German concentration and death camps.

Also many prisoners in these camps were not just Jews, but included for example, Ukrainians who served in the Red Army, Ukrainian Insurgent Army, and young Ukrainian civilians who opposed slave labour in Germany, or German occupation. Over one million Ukrainian youth were forced into slave labor in German factorie and farms during WWII. Many from the Soviet Ukraine to avoid being "repatriated" back to the brutal Stalinist regime after the war had to lie that they were born in Polish controlled Ukraine to get to the West.

Today, many Ukrainian victims of Naziism in Ukraine are wondering why Germany has not prosecuted the German Nazis who committed war crimes in Ukraine.

It is naive in the extreme to believe that only John Demjanjuk lied about his whereabouts during the entire course WWII. Many Jews had to lie too to avoid the Nazi-Bolshevik juggernaut.

This same hysteria about John Demjanjuk generated the last time before the extradition to Israel is happening again --except this tiime in Germany.

Many in Israel never accepted the disgraced US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations"charge that John Demjanjuk of Cleveland was guilty --and for good reason.

At the end of the day this trail in Germany, if it ever happens, will test the limits of human decency and legal theories of evidence and testimony.

This show trial if it happens cleverly deflects attention from the real issue. namely that Germany has regularly prevented its homegrown and genuine ethnic German Nazis from facing war crimes charges abroad, since it is the country’s long established policy to refuse to extradite them.....

See:
JOHN DEMJANJUK AND THE AMAZING HYPOCRISY OF GERMAN JUSTICE
Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:09 AM

http://www.newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx...

[Dr Lecter]

The looming extradition of John Demjanjuk is a showy diversion from Germany's laxity in prosecuting its own real Nazi German war criminals living comfortably without fear of prosecution in Germany.

Psychopathy occurs in about 1 percent of the population. Hallmark traits of psychopathy are callousness, unemotionality, and lack of empathy. Most of the SS police were psychopathic, as this utterly evil work would naturally draw psychopaths to it --as would have any "volunteers" who willingly enjoyed doing such diabolical work. That also goes also for the Jewish kapos--the Jewish prisoners who willfully collaborated with the Nazi administration in the camps.(This would not apply to those who had been ordered to do work though.)

Any forensic psychiatrist would expect high psychopathy scores among not only the "Ivan the Terribles" but among all of the camp administration, especially those in contact with prisoners. These psychopathic individuals were well-known to the inmates who killed most of them upon liberation.

I expect that if there is a trial, the absense of psychopathic traits in John Demjanjuk of Cleveland will become a very important issue.

Other issues of course are the mental capacities to stand trial or of witnesses to testify, very dubious reliability of aging memories, and the reliability and trustworthiness of over six decades old evidence --just as ws the case in the trials in Israel. One must remember that forgeries found their way into the evidence at the Israel trial.

The discredited and biased US Department of Justice Office of Special Investigations is providing Germany with the so-called "new evidence" and that alone is serious cause for mistrust of the evidence.

There has also been six decades of opportunity for the evidence to be altered, forged or tampered with.

Being in Germany, or even at the site of one of those camps, does not necessarily imply one had to be a death camp guard. There were many civilian operations such as logging and railway reconstruction going on right at the camps or very near the German concentration and death camps.

Also many prisoners in these camps were not just Jews, but included for example, Ukrainians who served in the Red Army, Ukrainian Insurgent Army, and young Ukrainian civilians who opposed slave labour in Germany, or German occupation. Over one million Ukrainian youth were forced into slave labor in German factorie and farms during WWII. Many from the Soviet Ukraine to avoid being "repatriated" back to the brutal Stalinist regime after the war had to lie that they were born in Polish controlled Ukraine to get to the West.

Today, many Ukrainian victims of Naziism in Ukraine are wondering why Germany has not prosecuted the German Nazis who committed war crimes in Ukraine.

It is naive in the extreme to believe that only John Demjanjuk lied about his whereabouts during the entire course WWII. Many Jews had to lie too to avoid the Nazi-Bolshevik juggernaut.

This same hysteria about John Demjanjuk generated the last time before the extradition to Israel is happening again --except this tiime in Germany.

Many in Israel never accepted the disgraced US Department of Justice "Office of Special Investigations"charge that John Demjanjuk of Cleveland was guilty --and for good reason.

At the end of the day this trail in Germany, if it ever happens, will test the limits of human decency and legal theories of evidence and testimony.

This show trial if it happens cleverly deflects attention from the real issue. namely that Germany has regularly prevented its homegrown and genuine ethnic German Nazis from facing war crimes charges abroad, since it is the country’s long established policy to refuse to extradite them.....

See:
JOHN DEMJANJUK AND THE AMAZING HYPOCRISY OF GERMAN JUSTICE
Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:09 AM

http://www.newmajority.com/ShowScroll.aspx...

[Dr Lecter]

Tamaki Saito, a psychiatrist from Japan. makes some very interesting points on false and fallible memories of witnesses in the Demjanjuk case....

"....There is something very odd about this story. Why did so many survivors from the Treblinka death camp mistakenly identify Demjanjuk as the notorious Ivan the Terrible? Comparing photographs of the two men that have been made public, one finds few similarities aside from their thinning hair. Still, it is unlikely that it was a conspiracy to frame an ordinary former soldier. There is only one explanation, then: the testimonies of survivors are unreliable.

In his book, "Why Life Speeds Up with Age," Douwe Draaisma, a Dutch expert on the history of psychology, covers this topic in great depth. Citing the writings of Bruno Bettelheim, a psychologist and survivor of Nazi concentration camps, Draaisma suggests that the memory of people in extreme situations suffers drastically as a result of the sense of futility they experience. What use is memory to people, if they are not going to make it out of a situation alive?

Extreme conditions distort and destroy a human being's cognitive ability and memory. Draaisma points to the example of one Treblinka survivor, whose testimony in the Demjanjuk trial became fraught with inconsistencies as time went on. Yet, there exists no standard by which to determine which testimony is correct.

Surely, the wrongful conviction of John Demjanjuk is perfect material for Holocaust deniers to strengthen their argument. But what we should actually be able to see from this evidence of the fallibility of human memory is the destructive psychological effect of the Holocaust...."

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/perspectives/times/arc...

[Red]

This article helps put the looming Demajanjuk show trial in context...

The Heart of Hitler’s Darkness
17 July 2009
By Alexander J. Motyl

Nazi Germany’s greatest war crime is the Holocaust, of course, but the genocides against Ukrainians and Belarussians constitute a close second. And yet, while the Holocaust is common knowledge, few know much about the extermination of Ukrainians and Belarussians —and Germans may know about this least of all. The tragedy of these peoples’ suffering in the war has been compounded by the world’s almost complete ignorance and indifference.

That lamentable condition may be about to change, if only among professional historians. In a ground-breaking article that was published in the July 16 issue of The New York Review of Books, Yale University historian Timothy Snyder describes in excruciating detail just how Nazi policy was directed at exterminating first the Jews and then the Slavs. Since Belarus and Ukraine were occupied for almost four years, they suffered enormous population losses.

According to Snyder,“Half of the population of Soviet Belarus was either killed or forcibly displaced during World War II: nothing of the kind can be said of any other European country.… The peoples of Ukraine and Belarus, Jews above all but not only, suffered the most, since these lands were both part of the Soviet Union during the terrible 1930s and subject to the worst of the German repressions in the 1940s. If Europe was, as Mark Mazower put it, a dark continent, Ukraine and Belarus were the heart of darkness.”

The devastation that affected both countries is even greater when one considers their experiences in the Stalinist 1930s and in World War I. Ukraine lost at least 3 million people in the genocidal famine of 1933. Both countries also served as the main killing fields of the Eastern Front during World War I (1914-18), the Civil War in Russia (1918-21) and the Polish-Russian War (1919-21).

According to a recent study of the Moscow-based Institute of Demography, Ukraine suffered close to 15 million “excess deaths” between 1914 and 1948:

1.3 million during World War I

2.3 million during the Civil War, the Polish-Soviet War, and the famine of the early 1920s

4 million during the genocidal famine of 1933

300,000 during the Great Terror and the repressions in Western Ukraine

6.5 million during World War II

400,000 during the post-war famine and the destruction of the Ukrainian nationalist movement....

See:
The Heart of Hitler’s Darkness
17 July 2009
By Alexander J. Motyl
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/article/1016/42/379...