Gay marriage arguments ring a bell in Cincinnati

Aug 4, 2014 Full story: The Fresno Bee 23

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals will hear challenges Wednesday in downtown Cincinnati about the constitutionality of marriage bans in Ohio, Michigan, Kentucky and Tennessee.

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Ex Senator Santpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#1 Aug 4, 2014
A stock market bell? A boxing bout bell? An end of period bell?

Hmmm, what other kinds of bells are there?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#2 Aug 4, 2014
It's the same lame losing bell the anti-gay have been ringing in every other court they've lost in over the past year.

The difference is this time they may have 2 sympathetic judges.

Too bad we can't get live feed of the oral arguments.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#3 Aug 4, 2014
WeTheSheeple wrote:
It's the same lame losing bell the anti-gay have been ringing in every other court they've lost in over the past year.
The difference is this time they may have 2 sympathetic judges.
Too bad we can't get live feed of the oral arguments.
I'm not quite as convinced as you are that those two "conservative" judges will find against us. We've already been surprised by several "conservative" judges that have seen the light when it comes to equal treatment under the law.

I'm also curious about the effect that this flood of decisions in our favor may have in influencing the courts that have yet to rule on these cases. There's no way we'll ever know, unless some retired judge writes a tell-all autobiography at some distant future date. But judges *are* human, after all, and they can understand as well as anyone that when 20+ judges all use different reasoning in different cases to come to the same conclusion, there might just be some substance to what they're all deciding.

I'm also really curious to read the first decision that *does* come down upholding the bans. What can they say other than, "The people voted" or "I don't see the words 'same-sex marriage *anywhere* in the constitution"?? Anything they say in supporting second-class treatment for some people has got to be trumped up crap....

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#4 Aug 4, 2014
There's Liza Minnelli bells...
Ex Senator Santpornum wrote:
A stock market bell? A boxing bout bell? An end of period bell?
Hmmm, what other kinds of bells are there?
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#5 Aug 4, 2014
So Phil Burress, leader of the Citizens for Community Values; needs a state constitutional amendment to keep himself from marrying another man
.
HOW interesting! ;o)

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#6 Aug 4, 2014
eJohn wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not quite as convinced as you are that those two "conservative" judges will find against us. We've already been surprised by several "conservative" judges that have seen the light when it comes to equal treatment under the law.
I'm also curious about the effect that this flood of decisions in our favor may have in influencing the courts that have yet to rule on these cases. There's no way we'll ever know, unless some retired judge writes a tell-all autobiography at some distant future date. But judges *are* human, after all, and they can understand as well as anyone that when 20+ judges all use different reasoning in different cases to come to the same conclusion, there might just be some substance to what they're all deciding.
I'm also really curious to read the first decision that *does* come down upholding the bans. What can they say other than, "The people voted" or "I don't see the words 'same-sex marriage *anywhere* in the constitution"?? Anything they say in supporting second-class treatment for some people has got to be trumped up crap....
I actually agree. I was just pointing out this is probably the anti-gay's BEST chance at a victory. If you want to know what a decision upholding the bans would look like, just look at the dissenting opinions from the judges on the 4th & 10th circuit panels. I think it's basically the federalist argument- states have the authority to define marriage- and the rational basis procreation argument. Of course both are lame and have been rejected by the SCOTUS in the past regarding other marriage restrictions, but the point is if we get 2 conservative judges on the same panel who happen to believe that, then that's the ruling we're likely to get.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#7 Aug 4, 2014
A closer tally of actual homosexual population, appropriately done by the Center for Disease Control, puts the maximum representation of homosexuals at 1.6% of the population. Serious numbers like this should be of great significance to the courts. Such low numbers represent only the most deviant members of a population group. Actual numbers would be closer to 1%, as many of those answering questions would be misrepresenting themselves out of the more aberrant confusions common to deviant sub-groups.

The lies and false memes perpetrated by the homosexual activists concerning such as their actual numbers should show the courts the inherent dishonesty common to deviant sub-groups. Once courts start to realize the severity of the homosexual maladjustment and its inherent fakery, they will start to understand why lessening rules and punishments for the homosexual vice, because of their terrorism and focused molestation of society's most vulnerable, was one of the greatest mistakes in American history. Allowing them to infect America with their diseases and permitting them to invade, distort and foul American culture must be reversed.
Huckle Buck

Anonymous Proxy

#8 Aug 4, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A closer tally of actual homosexual population, appropriately done by the Center for Disease Control, puts the maximum representation of homosexuals at 1.6% of the population. Serious numbers like this should be of great significance to the courts. Such low numbers represent only the most deviant members of a population group. Actual numbers would be closer to 1%, as many of those answering questions would be misrepresenting themselves out of the more aberrant confusions common to deviant sub-groups.
The lies and false memes perpetrated by the homosexual activists concerning such as their actual numbers should show the courts the inherent dishonesty common to deviant sub-groups. Once courts start to realize the severity of the homosexual maladjustment and its inherent fakery, they will start to understand why lessening rules and punishments for the homosexual vice, because of their terrorism and focused molestation of society's most vulnerable, was one of the greatest mistakes in American history. Allowing them to infect America with their diseases and permitting them to invade, distort and foul American culture must be reversed.
100% spot on as usual.
Ex Senator Santpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#9 Aug 4, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A closer tally
You're very sick.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#10 Aug 4, 2014
Ex Senator Santpornum wrote:
A stock market bell? A boxing bout bell? An end of period bell?
Hmmm, what other kinds of bells are there?
A tinkerbell.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#11 Aug 4, 2014
Actually, the data collection process seems skewed against determining ther sexual orientation of the populace:
"For the Family Core component, all adult members of the household 17 years of age and over who are at home at the time of the interview are invited to participate and to respond for themselves. Beginning in 1997 data were collected for active duty military personnel provided there is one civilian in the family, however, these persons are not weighted for analytic purposes. For children and for adults not at home during the interview, information can be provided by a responsible adult family member, 18 years of age and over, residing in the household. For the Sample Adult questionnaire, one civilian adult per family is randomly selected; generally this individual must self-report responses to questions in this section. Information for the Sample Child questionnaire is obtained from a knowledgeable adult in the household, usually a parent."

I might also add that I have never heard of any gay families being interviewed for this report. Certainly, closeted gays aren't represented, nor are gays in the military, in long-term care (meaning gay seniors are totally ignored, etc.)

I have never heard of a survey showing such a small number of bisexuals before, and it seems to contradict the reality that many straight-identified individuals have a history of one or more same-sex experiences.

The only real point of this info is that, if you believe it, then you also must accept that all the political/social changes concerning gays has happened over a tiny percent of the population, illustrating that the rights of the individual are more important than the wishes of the majority.
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A closer tally of actual homosexual population, appropriately done by the Center for Disease Control, puts the maximum representation of homosexuals at 1.6% of the population. Serious numbers like this should be of great significance to the courts. Such low numbers represent only the most deviant members of a population group. Actual numbers would be closer to 1%, as many of those answering questions would be misrepresenting themselves out of the more aberrant confusions common to deviant sub-groups.
The lies and false memes perpetrated by the homosexual activists concerning such as their actual numbers should show the courts the inherent dishonesty common to deviant sub-groups. Once courts start to realize the severity of the homosexual maladjustment and its inherent fakery, they will start to understand why lessening rules and punishments for the homosexual vice, because of their terrorism and focused molestation of society's most vulnerable, was one of the greatest mistakes in American history. Allowing them to infect America with their diseases and permitting them to invade, distort and foul American culture must be reversed.

“SCOTUS will Rule in June for”

Since: Aug 08

MARRIAGE EQUALITY:-)

#12 Aug 5, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A closer tally of actual homosexual population, appropriately done by the Center for Disease Control, puts the maximum representation of homosexuals at 1.6% of the population.
It DOESN'T matter if there was 1 person who was Gay or Lesbian or if there were millions of Gays and Lesbians.......laws CAN'T be written to remove those rights that others freely enjoy!!!

If the U.S. Census DOESN'T have the numbers on how much of the Population is Gay and Lesbian...how the hell can the CDC? Hell, they DON'T even have "REAL" numbers regarding the actual numbers to who has HIV/AIDS....all they have is ESTIMATES and nothing more!!!

Remember, that it ONLY took one female to change the abortion laws in this Country!!!

Since: Mar 07

Location hidden

#13 Aug 5, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A closer tally of actual homosexual population, appropriately done by the Center for Disease Control, puts the maximum representation of homosexuals at 1.6% of the population....
If that is the case, then where does your terror of gay folks come from? If there are so few of us, how will our marriages and families harm you in any way?

It would seem your obsession and fears are irrational.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#14 Aug 5, 2014
cpeter1313 wrote:
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The only real point of this info is that, if you believe it, then you also must accept that all the political/social changes concerning gays has happened over a tiny percent of the population, illustrating that the rights of the individual are more important than the wishes of the majority.
<quoted text>
Absolutely wrong. The only thing illustrated by the political/social changes is the use of homosexuals by Leftist thugs advantaging another deviant sub-group to pollute and destroy the foundations of security and wisdom in America. Once they're done with you, they'll dispose of you just as they cleansed Bolsheviks and other sub-human anarchist elements post 1917. Homosexuals are useful idiots.
Cordwainer Trout

Elizabethtown, KY

#15 Aug 5, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
It DOESN'T matter if there was 1 person who was Gay or Lesbian or if there were millions of Gays and Lesbians.......laws CAN'T be written to remove those rights that others freely enjoy!!!
If the U.S. Census DOESN'T have the numbers on how much of the Population is Gay and Lesbian...how the hell can the CDC? Hell, they DON'T even have "REAL" numbers regarding the actual numbers to who has HIV/AIDS....all they have is ESTIMATES and nothing more!!!
Remember, that it ONLY took one female to change the abortion laws in this Country!!!
The CDC numbers are based on accepted scientific polling methods.

Your allusion to Roe v Wade is also incorrect. That too, was a method of using a vulnerable personage by the Leftist goons in America intent on destroying Western values. Useful idiots are used by Marxists all the time now, after the false memes and anti-Americanism prevalent in the media for fifty years. They will use sexual pervert monsters like Kinsey to confuse people and get them to think of themselves as animal. They will use your referenced woman to perform their eugenics cynicism concerning humanity. They will use homosexuals in a combination of the two.

It's noteworthy, the woman you mention turned out to be a very vocal and effective voice against abortion, realizing the harm your(pl) ignorance had done to her and her child.
Gremlin

Louisville, KY

#16 Aug 5, 2014
Cordwainer Trout eats cockroaches.
Pat Robertson s Fatwass

Philadelphia, PA

#17 Aug 5, 2014
Gremlin wrote:
Cordwainer Trout eats cockroaches.
I do think that accusing another poster of cannibalism is going beyond the acceptable, and I am surprised it was you who did so, frankly.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#18 Aug 5, 2014
Pat Robertson s Fatwass wrote:
<quoted text>
I do think that accusing another poster of cannibalism is going beyond the acceptable, and I am surprised it was you who did so, frankly.
You are a cannibal.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#19 Aug 5, 2014
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
A closer tally of actual homosexual population, appropriately done by the Center for Disease Control, puts the maximum representation of homosexuals at 1.6% of the population. Serious numbers like this should be of great significance to the courts. Such low numbers represent only the most deviant members of a population group. Actual numbers would be closer to 1%, as many of those answering questions would be misrepresenting themselves out of the more aberrant confusions common to deviant sub-groups.
The lies and false memes perpetrated by the homosexual activists concerning such as their actual numbers should show the courts the inherent dishonesty common to deviant sub-groups. Once courts start to realize the severity of the homosexual maladjustment and its inherent fakery, they will start to understand why lessening rules and punishments for the homosexual vice, because of their terrorism and focused molestation of society's most vulnerable, was one of the greatest mistakes in American history. Allowing them to infect America with their diseases and permitting them to invade, distort and foul American culture must be reversed.
Your derangement continues in full force, Troutsky. You like to toss around the word "deviant", as though that were a scientific negative. It is mostly "deviants" who have invented, created, and dragged the world out of the stone age.
It's so odd that you stick your nose so deeply into other people's sexual lives. Rather that "deviant", more apt words would be "degenerate" or "perverted", especially when applied to you.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#20 Aug 5, 2014
Subverting wisdom is the sole occupation and focus of the teabaggers.
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely wrong. The only thing illustrated by the political/social changes is the use of homosexuals by Leftist thugs advantaging another deviant sub-group to pollute and destroy the foundations of security and wisdom in America. Once they're done with you, they'll dispose of you just as they cleansed Bolsheviks and other sub-human anarchist elements post 1917. Homosexuals are useful idiots.

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