Judge hears case on Kansas juvenile sex law

Full story: SF Gate 80
A federal judge has begun hearing testimony about whether doctors, nurses and other health care professionals in Kansas should be forced to report instances of underage sex to authorities. Full Story
First Prev
of 4
Next Last
Dolly Mercer

Topeka, KS

#1 Jan 31, 2006
I am a school nurse at a middle school in Topeka, Kansas. I will tell you that it will be impossible for me to keep the trust of these saevy kids if they think I will "fink" them out.
They need to trust me so that I can help them and encourage them to do the right things for them. For some kids I am the only person they have. Bad Law !!!!!!!!
Kevin

Topeka, KS

#2 Feb 6, 2006
Where is the tradeoff. Sure you need thier trust, but what trust do you build knowingly sending them back into the same situation without helping them. So a 13 year old girl comes to you, gets help, you know she has been sexually active, but how do you know its not abuse, that she is not being abused by a 34 year old nieghbor, or worse yet her parent. Do you send her back into the same situation? Sometimes "badlaws" are not that bad and often have good outcomes.
Chris

Wamego, KS

#3 Feb 7, 2006
If a 13 year old is having sex, then it is rape. This is Kansas Law. There is no such thing as consensual sex with a 13 year old.

If a 13 year old is pregnant, then there is physical evidence of a rape. A felony.

I believe that we hired our Attorney General to enforce our laws. Doing nothing, or refusing to report a rape is IMHO obstruction of justice, and an accomplice to a felony crime. I think this is a good law. If the abortion mills want people who rape little children to walk free, then they need to have the laws changed first.
Wanda

Salina, KS

#4 Feb 10, 2006
Instituting a law that will only be applied to a portion of the population by definition makes the law discriminatory. This law will only impact a girl's right over her own body - it will in no way decrease the amount of sex BOYS have. Nor has there been even the slightest lip service to anyone caring how much sex boys have - but - we must make sure our girls don't have sex.
How anti-christ like.
Kevin

Topeka, KS

#5 Feb 10, 2006
Wanda wrote:
Instituting a law that will only be applied to a portion of the population by definition makes the law discriminatory. This law will only impact a girl's right over her own body - it will in no way decrease the amount of sex BOYS have. Nor has there been even the slightest lip service to anyone caring how much sex boys have - but - we must make sure our girls don't have sex.
How anti-christ like.
Are you just totally nuts. Of course if a couselor or Doctor thinks underage boys are having sex it should be reported. However, by all means lets make sure that the law is not passed because its seems "unfair and biased to girls." Lets keep the status quo where we let kids be abused. And that last comment - where did that come from? How totally ridiculous to think those of us who want this law are "anti-Christ like". With comments like that I wonder if you are Pro Abortion, which just makes your argument that much more appalling.
confused

Stevens Point, WI

#6 Feb 14, 2006
I agree completely with the nurse in Topeka, without trust a significant majority of students will not seek assistance. The argument brought against what she said was where is the trade off between trust and letting some abused 13 year old continue being abused. Please, use the most extreme example possible. I don't understand why people do that, perhaps it is to get a point across, but it just makes you look ridiculous. IF a 13 is being abused the odds of her looking to a school nurse for assistance in having sexual intercourse is quite unlikely. I could see someone like that going to her for help, or just not going at all. Oh, and the going to extremes is followed through with comments like "anti-christ like" and then the next person associating "anti-christ like" with "Pro Abortion"... some of you people need to open your eyes...
Kevin

Topeka, KS

#7 Feb 15, 2006
I can understand why you are confused. You do not get it. The bottom line is protecting children, not this privacy, not adult rights, not anything else but the children, because so often in the fight to protect rights, childrens rights are often trampled upon. And how else whould you compare Pro-Abortion. As far as I know, and if you know different, Abortion is Anti-Christ like, for he simple reason he teaches us that life begins at conception. If anytwo words did belong together, it would be Anti-Christ like and Pro-Abortion.
Wade

Wamego, KS

#8 Mar 2, 2006
Hmmm.... So, there has to be a law on the books for me to do the right thing? I would much rather take resposibility for my own actions, and do what is the right thing by NOT sending an abused child back into a dangerous situation. I don't care what the "law" says, I know what is right and I will take that action reguardless of whatever some bunch of politicians (lawyers) have tried to define as the "right" thing.

That's the biggest problem we have today, people expect the government to tell them what is right and wrong and to enforce it. I long for the "goood ol' days" when people just did the right thing without having to get the government involved in everything.
Jennifer

Tulsa, OK

#9 Mar 5, 2006
Is it rape if the girl is 13 or 14 and the boy is 16 or 17
Douglas

Wichita, KS

#10 Mar 5, 2006
Sex and drugs is what this generation is all about, forget about jobs because these children today couldn't pass a U.A. Test. How hard is the test and what do they study for LOL.. their only hope is working for McDonalds and sonic. want to solve the sex problem with children ? get rid of the drugs and the parents that abuse them into thinking it's alright for them to do..
donna

Lebanon, IL

#11 Mar 6, 2006
is it rape if the boy is 13 and the girl is 15 and the girl's grandmother lets them shut her bedroom door and that is when they had sex and got pregnant? What can I do about it? The boy's mother in Missouri
The younger generation

Odessa, MO

#12 Mar 6, 2006
Ok first of all if they don't have anyone to turn to then what. They'll be scared. You see it all the time these sick twisted mothers that give birth and then with in minutes after that beautiful little baby is born they kill it, because they are scared, of what of going to jail or there parents. Please it is never going to stop, do we want our children thinking that they have to kill there babies or rise them? I am a 24 year old mother of two boys and if they end up getting there girlfriend pregant while they are under 18 I Will accept her and my grandchild with open arms into my house, because what is done is done. My sister is 12 years older than me and had her first child a the age of 16 and there is nothing wrong with that, she turned out to be a great mother and a wounderful grandmother. I am sorry but I am so sick of hearing about this kids are going to rebel, they always have and always will.
donna

Lebanon, IL

#13 Mar 6, 2006
I do invite them in my house unconditionally! I love my grandchild who is now 4 months old and my son is now 15 and his girlfriend is now 16. They just came over tonight and told me that they won't bring my grandson out to my home because there must be something in my house making him sick; and they haven't been over in a month! And his girlfriend says her grandmother is going to call the welfare on me about my house and her son's illness? Her house meanwhile is filled with urinating dogs they won't take out to use the bathroom! My house is very clean because I work in a hospital and I hate an unkept home.
The younger generation wrote:
Ok first of all if they don't have anyone to turn to then what. They'll be scared. You see it all the time these sick twisted mothers that give birth and then with in minutes after that beautiful little baby is born they kill it, because they are scared, of what of going to jail or there parents. Please it is never going to stop, do we want our children thinking that they have to kill there babies or rise them? I am a 24 year old mother of two boys and if they end up getting there girlfriend pregant while they are under 18 I Will accept her and my grandchild with open arms into my house, because what is done is done. My sister is 12 years older than me and had her first child a the age of 16 and there is nothing wrong with that, she turned out to be a great mother and a wounderful grandmother. I am sorry but I am so sick of hearing about this kids are going to rebel, they always have and always will.
donna

Lebanon, IL

#14 Mar 6, 2006
I try to bend over backwards and do everything in my power to help them out; My son is supposed to be living with his dad (he can't live with me because the welfare came in and seen how violent he is with his brothers) and I am giving him his part of the child support because his dad won't go to a lawyer and have his part of the child support taken off of what I am receiving, instead, his dad and her grandmother let my son move in with his girlfriend (who is living with her grandparents)and my son blames me for it when my son was the one in all of a hurry to "grow up and do what he wants". When he's sick he calls me to take him to the doctor when it is his dad's insurance that takes care of that, and I would gladly do it whether I had insurance or not but when you have a virus, the doctor won't prescribe you an anitbiotic and so he blames me for that, too.....I gave him what ever he wanted and needed up until he started rebelling against me at age 12. How much do I take? I have to worry about his 2 younger brothers, too. Do I just sit and get threatened and do nothing about that, too?
donna

Lebanon, IL

#15 Mar 6, 2006
So I guess that what I am getting from your reply is this: raise them as decent and good a life as you can possibly raise them, then let them spit in your face and take it. Great.
Carol

Lebanon, IL

#16 Mar 6, 2006
Hey, try Jesus. That goes for the teens too. If they don't like Him, the devil will always take them back.
Carol

Lebanon, IL

#17 Mar 6, 2006
Oh, by the way, here is the missouri law on rape: Rape - sex with another person of any age without that person's consent. Sex with a person less than 14 years of age is rape even if the person has consented to having sex. This came from this link: http://www.mobar.org/pamphlet/juvenile.htm . Don't know where you are in town, but maybe we can contact each other and talk.
donna

Lebanon, IL

#18 Mar 6, 2006
Thanks, carol. The only time they want to come and see me now with or without the baby is when they want or need something; not even a hello, mom just wanted to come out and visit with you. I just got my son a video game he wanted and tonight when they came out to get it they started in on me for no reason. All I asked was if they brought the baby with them, and then it hit the fan. WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, ANYONE????
Carol

Lebanon, IL

#19 Mar 6, 2006
TOUGH LOVE. I know what your going through. It hurts when you love your kids with all your heart and then they treat you like your the enemy. I have never raised a fist in anger to my kids, but they've done it to me. I pray for them all the time, but I won't give up praying. You may need to take up praying and see that it is the best thing you may can do now for your kids. As for your ex-husband (I presume) WHAT IS HE THINKING? DOES HE HAVE A BRAIN?
donna

Lebanon, IL

#20 Mar 6, 2006
carol, my exhusband and you're right to presume, never watched the kids while we were married and I was working my butt off to make ends meet. I even got the cops called over my middle son taking off way, way down the road when I was at work and their dad was supposed to be watching them!I even got put in jail for a bounced check in another county from like 7 years back I didn't know about because he would check the mail and then throw away the mail he didn't want me to see, and would even go so far as to take money out of the bank account and not tell me so I could put it in the checkbook! I had to take my days off and clean the house because all he would do was lay on the couch and watch tv. So, I divorced him and I started dating a coworker, and he and my son got along great until I let him move in with us. He's a great father himself as he has a boy that lives with his mother, and he's never brow beat my children. But, I don't know about my eldest son. I tried to get him counseling and therapy and depression meds, all to his defiance. Did I do something wrong? My kids seem to really like their dad's girlfriend. Maybe she doesn't lay boundaries for them like I do.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker
First Prev
of 4
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Federal Court Upholds Region's Same-Sex Marriag... Nov 13 tcaud 4
Judge strikes down SC same-sex marriage ban Nov 13 dark prince 10
Kan. Sup. Ct. to Hear Gay Marriage on Thurs. fo... Nov 8 RalphB 107
A look at how courts differ on gay... Nov 7 EdmondWA 3
Judge orders Kansas to let gay couples marry Nov 6 Imprtnrd 10
Federal judge orders Kansas to let same-sex cou... Nov 5 WeTheSheeple 3
3 states deny gay unions despite appellate rulings Oct 28 lides 86

Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE