Suicide Risk Among Antidepressant Users Varies By Age

Researchers from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration released an analysis on Tuesday that showed people under age 25 who take antidepressants have a higher risk of suicide, but adults older than that do not, Reuters reported.

[HumanSpirit]

More mental health crap to protect their industry and that of the pharmaceutical industry

[Red Pill]

HumanSpirit wrote:

More mental health crap to protect their industry and that of the pharmaceutical industry

On what grounds?

[HumanSpirit]

Red Pill wrote:

<quoted text>On what grounds?

The mental health industry indicated that Elderly suicide were excessively high several months ago.. Depression is a good seller. Lots of money and drugging going on particularly in Nursing homes.

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Suicide among the Elderly

The U.S. Center for Disease Control provides the following information:

Suicide rates increase with age and are highest among Americans aged 65 years and older. While this age group accounts for only 13% of the U.S. population, Americans 65 or older account for 20% of all suicides.

http://www.forsuicidesurvivors.com/elderly-su...

Elderly suicide rates:cross-national comparisons and association with sex and elderly age-bands in the European union

Suicide rates generally increase with age

http://www.cjmed.net/journal/articleInfo/id/3...

[ring-2]

HumanSpirit wrote:

More mental health crap to protect their industry and that of the pharmaceutical industry

So, you liked this article, did you? Did you read the original source memo and attached research provided by Dr. Laughren from the FDA? Because your conclusion doesn't line up with his. Here's the whole thing: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefi...

And since you're a big fan of excerpts, I'll give you some straight from Laughren's own hand:

"FDA has done several analyses on completed suicides for adult data sets provided to us in response to a request for patient level data for all relevant studies involving 9 antidepressant drugs studied in 251 randomized controlled trials with MDD and various anxiety disorders. Based on our analyses of these data, albeit quite limited because of the small number of completed suicides, we reached a similar conclusion, i.e., that there does not appear to be an increased risk of completed suicide associated with assignment to either active drug or placebo in adults with MDD or various anxiety disorders (Hammad, et al, 2006)." (regarding their own studies trying to find a link between SSRIs and actual suicides [not merely suicidal thoughts and related behaviors, as those can increase just from having more energy and being more active]).

"The risk is characterized in terms of risk difference, i.e., the average risk of events representative of suicidality was 4% in drug-treated patients compared to 2% in placebo-treated patients during the initial few months of treatment. There were no completed suicides among these patients." (regarding the motives behind FDA's decision in 2005 to start labeling meds with a warning)

So, in plain English, taking anti-depressants has not been found to CAUSE children to kill themselves. It's hard to gather enough examples of successfully completed suicides to evaluate, but the best data so far indicate that these drugs do not lead to an increased suicide rate.

What these people have found, after ponderously analyzing all of the applicable research in the field, is that some of these drugs may be linked to increases in suicidal thoughts and behaviors. An equally valid interpretation of these same data could be that these drugs work at relieving depression, and that increases in suicidal behavior are a danger for anyone recovering from depression; in this case, particularly children. Laughren mentions this in his introductory memo, that fears of just that type of recovery-suicide have been well grounded in the profession for 40 years!

[HumanSpirit]

ring-2 wrote:

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So, you liked this article, did you? Did you read the original source memo and attached research provided by Dr. Laughren from the FDA? Because your conclusion doesn't line up with his. Here's the whole thing: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefi...
And since you're a big fan of excerpts, I'll give you some straight from Laughren's own hand:
"FDA has done several analyses on completed suicides for adult data sets provided to us in response to a request for patient level data for all relevant studies involving 9 antidepressant drugs studied in 251 randomized controlled trials with MDD and various anxiety disorders. Based on our analyses of these data, albeit quite limited because of the small number of completed suicides, we reached a similar conclusion, i.e., that there does not appear to be an increased risk of completed suicide associated with assignment to either active drug or placebo in adults with MDD or various anxiety disorders (Hammad, et al, 2006)." (regarding their own studies trying to find a link between SSRIs and actual suicides [not merely suicidal thoughts and related behaviors, as those can increase just from having more energy and being more active]).
"The risk is characterized in terms of risk difference, i.e., the average risk of events representative of suicidality was 4% in drug-treated patients compared to 2% in placebo-treated patients during the initial few months of treatment. There were no completed suicides among these patients." (regarding the motives behind FDA's decision in 2005 to start labeling meds with a warning)
So, in plain English, taking anti-depressants has not been found to CAUSE children to kill themselves. It's hard to gather enough examples of successfully completed suicides to evaluate, but the best data so far indicate that these drugs do not lead to an increased suicide rate.
What these people have found, after ponderously analyzing all of the applicable research in the field, is that some of these drugs may be linked to increases in suicidal thoughts and behaviors. An equally valid interpretation of these same data could be that these drugs work at relieving depression, and that increases in suicidal behavior are a danger for anyone recovering from depression; in this case, particularly children. Laughren mentions this in his introductory memo, that fears of just that type of recovery-suicide have been well grounded in the profession for 40 years!

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[Red Pill]

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No need to bother HS, you've no doubt posted it many times before.

[HumanSpirit]

Red Pill wrote:

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No need to bother HS, you've no doubt posted it many times before.

Keep taking your drugs.

Have a good day

[MissNewRealizati on]

HumanSpirit wrote:

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Keep taking your drugs.
Have a good day

Without my medications I cant stand a normal day I go through periods where I am off the meds and its awful, some people need medication its not all a scam, but when doctors write prescriptions to make commission it is horrible. My problems arent even that bad.

[HumanSpirit]

MissNewRealization wrote:

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Without my medications I cant stand a normal day I go through periods where I am off the meds and its awful, some people need medication its not all a scam, but when doctors write prescriptions to make commission it is horrible. My problems arent even that bad.

Exactly what medical evidence or test for chemical imbalance did the mental health have to put you on these powerful mind drugs? There is no medical model, no evident based medicine and no test for chemical balance.(each person is chemically different) The mental health industry wouldn't know a good chemical balance from a chemical imbalance of the brain.

There Are No "Chemical Imbalances"

"The hypothetical disturbances of neurochemical function that are said to underlie "mental illness" are just that: hypothetical. No experiment has ever shown that anyone has an "imbalance" of any neurotransmitters or any other brain chemicals. Nor could any conceivable experiment demonstrate the existence of a "chemical imbalance," simply because no one, least of all the biopsychiatrists, has the slightest idea what a proper and healthy chemical "balance" would look like."

"...the views and beliefs of biopsychiatry have nothing to do with the answers to scientific questions in any case: the hunt for biological "causes" of "mental illness" is an entirely fallacious enterprise in the first place; the non- existence of data to support its assertions is quite beside the point."

"The latest edition of one pharmacology text has this to say about the status of depression as a disease: "Despite extensive efforts, attempts to document the metabolic changes in human subjects predicted by these [biological] hypotheses have not, on balance, provided consistent or compelling corroboration." This is a long-winded way of admitting that not even a scrap of evidence supports the idea that depression results from a "chemical imbalance." Yet patients are told every day - by their doctors, by the media, and by drug company advertising - that it is a proven scientific fact that depression has a known biochemical origin. It follows directly that millions of Americans are being lied to by their doctors; and people surely can't give informed consent for drug treatment when what they're being "informed" by is a fraud.... To sum up: there is no evidence whatsoever to support the view that "mental illness" is biochemical in origin; in other words, things like "Unipolar Disorder" and "Attention Deficit Disorder" simply do not exist."

http://www.adhd-report.com/biopsychiatry/bio_...

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[MissNewRealizati on]

I do beileive my medicine does in fact help me in some cases I do not like that I am on such a questionable drug like prozac, but previouslt medicines have helped me