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Sources: Secret probe eyeing LIRR disability abuse

There are 23 comments on the Newsday story from Sep 23, 2008, titled Sources: Secret probe eyeing LIRR disability abuse. In it, Newsday reports that:

Federal and state investigators have been quietly conducting a top-secret probe into possible massive abuse of the pension and disability system by employees of the Long Island Rail Road for the past six ...

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Everyone knew this

Farmingdale, NY

#1 Sep 23, 2008
You got to collect early by doing this. Every single RR worker filed and got disability pension so they collected early. No secret here. They contributed so they think it's their money.
Pfluger the Union Monkey

Boston, MA

#2 Sep 23, 2008
Imprison them. They have been laughing at the struggling taxpayers and riders for a long, long time.

Fine them. Make them repay.

Then, go after the hack politicians and appointees at the Authorities who knew about this abuse.

Then, start investigating every other level of goverment. Invalidate contracts. Switch retirement plans to 401Kk style cash accounts.

LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, and let these people live in the real world.
Louis

Pleasanton, CA

#3 Sep 23, 2008
Every day all over the country people are prosecuted for welfare fraud, social security fraud, bank fraud,
insurance fraud, tax fraud, etc. So why is this fraud allowed? It is just plain common sense that this should be investigated and where fraud is found it should be prosecuted. It should also not matter how old the fraud is as that just means they collected (stole) even more money if it is from many years ago and this also must be prosecuted. It is no wonder that they have to keep raising the prices for people who travel on the LIRR to and from work as conductors and engineers are paid absurdly high salaries and then ripping off the system for even more money. Everybody should urge Andrew Cuomo to have a fraud hotline where we can all report this fraud where we see it as these criminals flaunt it all the time and make fools out of all of us by claiming to be disabled
and are really not. They are no different than any other criminal
and should be prosecuted as such.

train trash

Hollis, NY

#4 Sep 23, 2008
Here's a box of nails.....go crucify yourself.
Sailor Joe

New York, NY

#5 Sep 23, 2008
train trash wrote:
Here's a box of nails.....go crucify yourself.
The LIRR are the scum of this country.

They are pigs with no self-respect and this latest chapter is just another in volumes of proof.

What a disgrace.
crappola

New York, NY

#6 Sep 23, 2008
Sailor Joe wrote:
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The LIRR are the scum of this country.
They are pigs with no self-respect and this latest chapter is just another in volumes of proof.
What a disgrace.
I thought we called those politicians?
Disgusted American

New York, NY

#7 Sep 24, 2008
Typical of the "entitlement" mentality that has taken hold of our country. "Grab what I can--no taxes for me, thank you!" It's making the U.S. a second class economy.

They should also look into the conduct of the doctors who approved these scams.
Johnny_B

Union City, NJ

#8 Sep 25, 2008
First off there is a big difference between disability and occupational disability. The issue here is the LIRR retirees and occupational disability. Under the current guidelines which were written in the 40's most injuries will result in meeting the criteria to get occupational disability. Medical evidence has to be submitted including MRI's, X-Ray's and any medication the individual is taking. There are no loop holes or scamming going on here. The monies paid come from the Rail Road retirement system that is totally paid for by rail road employees and the railroads. There is no connection to Social Security which is in the red. The rail road retirement system is fully solvent unlike Social Security and a little know fact that the majority of the people in the US do not know is most government employees including Congressmen and Senators are covered by the Rail road retirement system and NOT by Social Security. This information has always been publicly available.
KPD

Oceanside, CA

#9 Sep 25, 2008
I've been waiting years for someone to blow the lid off this scam. When my closest friend told me she was retiring from the LIRR on disability for a neck problem from years of looking at a computer I couldn't believe it. She easily got disability and now spends lots of time with all her disabled friends. They travel, excercise, do volunteer work, ride bikes, kayak, etc. but are apparently too disabled to work! I asked her wasn't she ashamed about using the system this way and she said no. After 20 years in the LIRR culture, they feel entitled. It's a completed disgrace. I also understand that employees pay someone to complete their disability paperwork for them. And who are these doctors - they should be thrown in jail.
stewart

Stamford, CT

#10 Sep 25, 2008
KPD wrote:
I've been waiting years for someone to blow the lid off this scam. When my closest friend told me she was retiring from the LIRR on disability for a neck problem from years of looking at a computer I couldn't believe it. She easily got disability and now spends lots of time with all her disabled friends. They travel, excercise, do volunteer work, ride bikes, kayak, etc. but are apparently too disabled to work! I asked her wasn't she ashamed about using the system this way and she said no. After 20 years in the LIRR culture, they feel entitled. It's a completed disgrace. I also understand that employees pay someone to complete their disability paperwork for them. And who are these (when they investigate the records they will see that it was the same doctor who approved them all) doctors - they should be thrown in jail.
(when they investigate they will see it was the same rvc doctor who approved all of the claims.)
get a life

Marlboro, NJ

#11 Sep 29, 2008
stewart wrote:
<quoted text>(when they investigate they will see it was the same rvc doctor who approved all of the claims.)
WRONG ...there are 12 doctors that specialize in this for the 3 metropolitan area states..I got an idea : if you don't know what you're talking about..SHUT UP !!!!
bugs

Selden, NY

#12 Oct 2, 2008
The real outrage should be why social security is going bankrupt while Railroad Retirement is able to provide occupational disabilty and then retirement benefits for those it covers. The fact is that railroad employees pay approximately 6% more into RRB and only those who contribute to the system draw benefits. Perhaps if those of you who are upset about this would lobby your congressmen to up the amount you contribute to S.S. and then only distribute benefits to people who contribute to it, while not "borrowing" from it S.S. might be the equal to RRB. It is a working model that SS should be looking at rather than trying to rip RRB down.
Pelosi Schmelosi

Tempe, AZ

#13 Oct 2, 2008
Ooooops. Guess it's not a "secret" probe anymore...
seth

West Islip, NY

#14 Oct 3, 2008
Pfluger the Union Monkey wrote:
Imprison them. They have been laughing at the struggling taxpayers and riders for a long, long time.
Fine them. Make them repay.
Then, go after the hack politicians and appointees at the Authorities who knew about this abuse.
Then, start investigating every other level of goverment. Invalidate contracts. Switch retirement plans to 401Kk style cash accounts.
LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD, and let these people live in the real world.
You have no idea what you are talking about....the real world a RR's world is hell you pathetic jelous a-holes work 9-5 and all the holidays and weekends off you want we work 24 hours a day weekends, holidays and every other day you can imagine. you have dinner at 5 or six pm, we have dinner at 3 or 4 in the morning never seeing our families. Shut up learn about what you're trying to talk about, than comment, until that fuck you.
Railroader and smarter

Marlboro, NJ

#15 Oct 3, 2008
bugs wrote:
The real outrage should be why social security is going bankrupt while Railroad Retirement is able to provide occupational disabilty and then retirement benefits for those it covers. The fact is that railroad employees pay approximately 6% more into RRB and only those who contribute to the system draw benefits. Perhaps if those of you who are upset about this would lobby your congressmen to up the amount you contribute to S.S. and then only distribute benefits to people who contribute to it, while not "borrowing" from it S.S. might be the equal to RRB. It is a working model that SS should be looking at rather than trying to rip RRB down.
First intelligent thing I've heard yet! But some more facts : Social Security is a pathetic bankrupt spin-off of the Railroad Retirement Board. Our RRRB is so well funded and managed that Railroaders are afraid that the " F-ed " up Social Security will try to bail itsef out with OUR money. No thanks , our finances are solvent. We don't care about S.S.or Wall St bailouts. Fix your own financial houses , WE'RE DOING JUST FINE.
Railroader and smarter

Marlboro, NJ

#16 Oct 3, 2008
seth wrote:
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You have no idea what you are talking about....the real world a RR's world is hell you pathetic jelous a-holes work 9-5 and all the holidays and weekends off you want we work 24 hours a day weekends, holidays and every other day you can imagine. you have dinner at 5 or six pm, we have dinner at 3 or 4 in the morning never seeing our families. Shut up learn about what you're trying to talk about, than comment, until that fuck you.
You're just an F-ing idiot , not even fit to sleep with the pigs.
Railroader and smarter

Marlboro, NJ

#17 Oct 3, 2008
seth wrote:
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You have no idea what you are talking about....the real world a RR's world is hell you pathetic jelous a-holes work 9-5 and all the holidays and weekends off you want we work 24 hours a day weekends, holidays and every other day you can imagine. you have dinner at 5 or six pm, we have dinner at 3 or 4 in the morning never seeing our families. Shut up learn about what you're trying to talk about, than comment, until that fuck you.
Sorry Seth : I was referring to Pfluger the union monkey
Fools

Colts Neck, NJ

#18 Oct 18, 2008
Disgusted American wrote:
Typical of the "entitlement" mentality that has taken hold of our country. "Grab what I can--no taxes for me, thank you!" It's making the U.S. a second class economy.
They should also look into the conduct of the doctors who approved these scams.
The doctors that approve this arent the doctors being investigated. All claims have to be approved by the LIRR. The press just loves to make doctors look bad. Some of these doctors being investigated are honest, hard working individuals that truly care for their patients. They can only diagnosis what they feel the condition is. Medical tests also need to confirm this! You cant say someone has a herniated disk if it doesnt show on a MRI, for example. Most of the public have no clue about the medicine and believe everything they read in the paper and internet
MUSTANG

Medford, NY

#19 Nov 2, 2008
The Disability Rip off has been going on for many many years . I know a few of these dirtbags and they are all the same - They do nothing at work and spend every idle minute trying ways to screw the system . Most are arrogant morons who constantly brag about how they screwed the railroad and us. They should all be stripped of the pensions and prosecuted . Somebody should look into how the married employees all get divorced on paper so the spouse can collect Social Security in addition to the RR pension . What a pack of Crooks.
Get a friggin clue

Fort Lee, NJ

#20 Nov 2, 2008
Time to claw back all fraudulently claimed pension payments.

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