Watching the Greens Kill Australia

Watching the Greens Kill Australia

There are 39 comments on the AmmoLand story from Jul 25, 2012, titled Watching the Greens Kill Australia. In it, AmmoLand reports that:

Fortunately for America, President Obama's effort to impose a cap-and-trade law on carbon dioxide emission failed in a Democrat controlled Congress, that saw how disastrous its impact would have been in a time of economic distress.

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Since: Apr 10

Milwaukee, WI USA

#21 Jul 27, 2012
Pinatabo was in 1991

Since: Dec 10

Armadale, Australia

#22 Jul 27, 2012
Steve Case wrote:
Pinatabo was in 1991
My bad 1991, has that affected the crux of the conversation...ie the way the volcano changed the earths surface temp for example?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#23 Jul 27, 2012
This charade shows how interrelated affairs and life are in our present day.

The Greens have come to prominence and to hold the balance of power in the Nations Capital by taking votes from Labor's traditional turf in progressive politics.

When Labor first courted the Greens back in the early 80's as a mechanism for gaining power in the Lower and Upper House to get what Labor expediently wanted for short term gain, this relationship worked well through the 80's for Federal Labor and later the same thing for Bob Carr's NSW Labor. The Unions also found the Greens useful for obtaining what they wanted as Union issues aligned with Greens image of themselves as a bearer of social conscious while Unions had self interested motives. Now both Labor and the Greens are regretting their relationship of convenience with the Greens having created a Frankenstein threatening their survival as viable organisations.

This is a “Lessons Learned” to all other Political Parties demonstrating how Political Organisations that practice sewer rat cunning politics, is like making, then placing and finally detonating a bomb strapped to your own body. As the Labor Party and the Unions have done with the bomb called the “Carbon Tax” enforced by their relationship with the Greens Party.

The Lesson Learned in the era of the integral global village is, your acts aimed at self centred profit at the expense of others will give a return blow by the feed back loop as a result of being in a closed system, the integrated society. The “real politic” of today's world is “integrity politic” because doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do, will ensure you'll be alright in the integrated global world.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#24 Jul 27, 2012
Steve Case wrote:
Pinatabo[sic] was in 1991
Pinatubo.
NobodyYouKnow

Toronto, Canada

#25 Jul 27, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
My bad 1991, has that affected the crux of the conversation...ie the way the volcano changed the earths surface temp for example?
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0509/0509...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#26 Jul 27, 2012
LessFactMoreHype, aka:
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow wrote:
http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/p apers/0509/0509166.pdf
Posting URLs is probably your safest bet, Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty.
SpaceBlues

Melmore, OH

#27 Jul 27, 2012
NobodyYouKnow wrote:
Good one. Thanks.

Their summary: we have shown that Hansen’s hope that the dramatic Pinatubo climate event would provide an “acid test” of climate models has been achieved, although with an unexpected result. The effect of the volcano is to reveal a short atmospheric response time, of the order of several months, leaving no climate in the pipeline, and a negative feedback to its forcing.

IMO. the punchline is:[Our study of the Volcanic Eruption of Mount Pinatubo reveals] a short atmospheric response time, of the order of several months, leaving NO climate in the pipeline, and a NEGATIVE feedback to its forcing.
litesong

Everett, WA

#28 Jul 27, 2012
steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling wrote:
A Jack-of-all-trades.
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling' is most at ease with being a 'jackass-of-all-topix'.
scooterman

Melbourne, Australia

#29 Jul 27, 2012
Australian Republic wrote:
This charade shows how interrelated affairs and life are in our present day.
The Greens have come to prominence and to hold the balance of power in the Nations Capital by taking votes from Labor's traditional turf in progressive politics.
When Labor first courted the Greens back in the early 80's as a mechanism for gaining power in the Lower and Upper House to get what Labor expediently wanted for short term gain, this relationship worked well through the 80's for Federal Labor and later the same thing for Bob Carr's NSW Labor. The Unions also found the Greens useful for obtaining what they wanted as Union issues aligned with Greens image of themselves as a bearer of social conscious while Unions had self interested motives. Now both Labor and the Greens are regretting their relationship of convenience with the Greens having created a Frankenstein threatening their survival as viable organisations.
Labor and the $200,000 plus/year heads of their attached 'worker's' unions sold their core constituency out decades ago and the Greens are simply filling (part of) the niche left.
Australian Republic wrote:
This is a “Lessons Learned” to all other Political Parties demonstrating how Political Organisations that practice sewer rat cunning politics, is like making, then placing and finally detonating a bomb strapped to your own body. As the Labor Party and the Unions have done with the bomb called the “Carbon Tax” enforced by their relationship with the Greens Party.
The Lesson Learned in the era of the integral global village is, your acts aimed at self centred profit at the expense of others will give a return blow by the feed back loop as a result of being in a closed system, the integrated society. The “real politic” of today's world is “integrity politic” because doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do, will ensure you'll be alright in the integrated global world.
Integrity has been and will always be a foreign word to many in bureaucracy careerism and the corporate world and people will continue to get sold down the drain as long as spin-doctors and astroturfers are successful in concealing the truth from the masses.
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#30 Jul 27, 2012
....if any sane adult genuinely doubts the effect of the massive amount of exhaust fumes released day after day after day after day , they should wrap their lips around the exhaust pipe of a car for 5 seconds to change their mind , and cop an unpleasant dose of reality......then check out the traffic commuting in and out and around every city in the world 24/7.....then ,there's the air traffic..spitting out tons of aviation fuel all over the world and dropping it over every ocean and every country......check the oil sales figures by the millions of barrels per day.....seriously , the sceptics are gullible people , with their head shoved so far up their r-soles ,that they will never get it back out.........
ddr

Farrer, Australia

#31 Jul 27, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
God help us!....there is stil some sanity.
I wonder where the Greens were when the Victorian fires took hold?
Or those that never get publicity (probably for the lack of human tragedy) that frequently get hold around Australia.

The fuel loads build and build. There generally is no back burning; no rotated cattle grazing once where they use to be allowed under licence; no maintaining fire trails.

The rural fire brigade recommends x amount of clearance around your house, but 'green laws' means you can't do that, so it puts your house under a fire hazard.

The Greens have help create huge expanses of marine parks which shuts out a lot of hobby fishermen but they ignore the fact many esturaries and other waters still cop a hammering from professional netting.
So many areas have suffered financially because they can no longer cater to the recreational fisherman. There is no balance in the equasion. It has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.

I would like the Greens to have to go and help shoot all burnt native and farm animals that have been caught in fires. God knows how many human and animal lives these nutters have really cost.
scooterman

Melbourne, Australia

#32 Jul 28, 2012
ddr wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder where the Greens were when the Victorian fires took hold?
Or those that never get publicity (probably for the lack of human tragedy) that frequently get hold around Australia.
The fuel loads build and build. There generally is no back burning; no rotated cattle grazing once where they use to be allowed under licence; no maintaining fire trails.
The rural fire brigade recommends x amount of clearance around your house, but 'green laws' means you can't do that, so it puts your house under a fire hazard.
The Greens have help create huge expanses of marine parks which shuts out a lot of hobby fishermen but they ignore the fact many esturaries and other waters still cop a hammering from professional netting.
So many areas have suffered financially because they can no longer cater to the recreational fisherman. There is no balance in the equasion. It has gone from the sublime to the ridiculous.
I would like the Greens to have to go and help shoot all burnt native and farm animals that have been caught in fires. God knows how many human and animal lives these nutters have really cost.
Part of the Greens' problem is their inner-city constituency who don't have a clue about life in rural areas and are guided by vague ideologies instead. A lot of them should stop pretending and vote for the Liberals instead.
funny moments in history

Melbourne, Australia

#33 Jul 28, 2012
Former treasurer Mr Costello told Hartcher:”It was 1999. Neither Howard nor I had much of an idea of what a greenhouse gas was, let alone how to abate it … Trying to co-operate without blowing the financial position, I whispered to Howard,‘Offer her four hundred.’

”’Okay,’ he said.‘$400 million.’

”She accepted. I tapped him on the shoulder and whispered in his ear,‘That’s not what I meant. I meant we should offer her $400,000&#8242;.”

There was no way to retract the offer.

”It was how $400 million got expended by mistake.”
http://www.smh.com.au/national/400000-sweeten...

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#34 Jul 28, 2012
scooterman wrote:
<quoted text>
Labor and ....sold their core constituency out decades ago and the Greens are simply filling (part of) the niche left.
<quoted text>

That's what I'm saying, by "setting up house" with the Greens to use as a partner in getting votes for legislation and Parliamentary bills would inevitably lead to conflict. One wants Industry and jobs the other wants a return to the Medieval era and remove Industry.

Integrity has been and will always be a foreign word to many in bureaucracy careerism and the corporate world .....
No, like Wikileaks, which by the way was a set up, the truth will come out. It just depends if, your enlightened enough to discover the truth quickly by proactively seeking it and responding correctly or the hard way with great pain when a cover up has been exposed. See how much is coming out, despite how hard the spin doctors try they are loosing control. Like Rupert Murdoch found with the revelations of phone hacking.
Foo

Brisbane, Australia

#36 Jul 28, 2012
Australian Republic wrote:
<quoted text>
No, like Wikileaks, which by the way was a set up, the truth will come out. It just depends if, your enlightened enough to discover the truth quickly by proactively seeking it and responding correctly or the hard way with great pain when a cover up has been exposed. See how much is coming out, despite how hard the spin doctors try they are loosing control. Like Rupert Murdoch found with the revelations of phone hacking.
.....I think in coming years a lot of truth will become known......not so much by information disclosure ,like wikileaks , but more by events before our eyes....events that cant be camouflaged by media or political spin.....myths and conspiracy theories will be exposed by irrefutable public evidence.....

Since: Dec 10

Armadale, Australia

#37 Jul 28, 2012
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>.....I think in coming years a lot of truth will become known......not so much by information disclosure ,like wikileaks , but more by events before our eyes....events that cant be camouflaged by media or political spin.....myths and conspiracy theories will be exposed by irrefutable public evidence.....
But in the meantime we have an Australian citizen being railroaded by their own country, we have the Americans trying to harass and deny his rights to financial support from his supporters by what ever means possible. Where do countries like America or Australia or Sweden get off with using their power and might unfairly and illegally as in the case of paypal and mastercard Australian's GG trying to rebuke his citizenship and a PM denegrating him when there was no evidence to support her claims, most sane and intelligent people know this is not justic nor is it fair yet they are all getting away with it anyway.....WHY is that, how stupid do you have to be to ignore every individual right that these govenments are breaking just to get their hands on a person who reported the truth....regardless of his source...what more have they hidden away and are now threatened by the likes of Wikileaks and Assange getting a hold of.....These decietful and conspiring governments are trying to deny Assange and Wikileaks true justice and freedom of the press, they are the ones that should be on trial here?

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#38 Jul 29, 2012
Foo wrote:
<quoted text>.....I think in coming years a lot of truth will become known......not so much by information disclosure ,like wikileaks , but more by events before our eyes....events that cant be camouflaged by media or political spin.....myths and conspiracy theories will be exposed by irrefutable public evidence.....
agreed, Foo,
We see this phenomenon of revelations coming out all the time as of recently. A couple of decades ago hardly anybody was aware the US Federal Reserve was a privately owned enterprise. It's common knowledge now but they still try to hold information back, like the identity of the owners of the Federal Reserve. How long before even this comes out?

The scope and magnitude of revelations embarrassing the Elite despite the best efforts of the Elite is unprecedented in all history!
Crime rate

Brisbane, Australia

#39 Jul 29, 2012
F*CK IT!, let the nukes fly and get this sh!t over and done with.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain retreat, SE Spain

#40 Jul 29, 2012
Crime rate wrote:
F*CK IT!, let the nukes fly and get this sh!t over and done with.
No worries, mate, your turn will come soon enough, just leave it to old ma Nature.

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