Analysis: Fiscal battles could sideline U.S. immigration reform

Nov 25, 2012 Full story: WTAX-AM Springfield 69

They hoped that Obama, bolstered by the 70 percent-plus support he received from Hispanic voters, might now feel ready to champion the cause he largely avoided during his first term.

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Since: Nov 12

Clifton, NJ

#1 Nov 25, 2012
There is no need to wait any longer IMO. Most of concerns for the job market shortage, pays being lowered or economy problems that reform may cause is a myth. As 1986 amnesty(!) showed wages rather go up than down after illegals become legal workers since they seek equal treatment from employers, and what jobs they can "steal" from citizens? They already have a job! They are not bums from the street that after legalization become job seekers.Same with benefits. Yes, but from employers rather than from government and they are ready to give them benefits and pay taxes from their checks instead of giving them cash they expect so far. Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe.

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#2 Nov 25, 2012
Open Letter to John Gibson,Sean Hannity Jorge Ramos, John Boehner,Luis V. Gutierrez,Lindsey Graham &
Susan Collins

11/9/2012

The gentleman & Lady I've listed above are advocating amnesty for the 12-20 million (wag) illegal aliens in our country . I strongly disagree with their position for the following reasons.

In 1986 President Reagan signed off on a bill granting amnesty to 1 1/2- 2 Million illegal aliens, today I wonder how many thousands more of their family members are here now because of the current Chain
Immigration policy in place?

In the past 26 years since President Reagan signed that bill, because of politicians from both parties like Congressman John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez ,Senator Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins who have none nothing to help control both of our borders, except to stick their finger in the dike to appease the voters at home and not offend special interest groups ,12-20 Million more illegal aliens (wag) have entered our country and now because the finger caper didn't work, their solution to the problem is amnesty.

The message that people like John Gibson, Sean Hannity , Jorge Ramos, John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez,Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins are sending to immigrants around the world is that if you can enter our country illegally without getting caught and hide out for another 26 years, then sooner or later another amnesty will be granted.

Case in point, a large number of American Hispanic voters including Chicago Congressman Luis V Gutierrez & Jorge Ramos have again rally their support for amnesty, and are using their vote to blackmail the Democrats into granting it. My question is what are those Hispanic Americans basing their support on?

My answer is it's based on the fact that a large number of the illegal aliens are also Hispanics which would appear to make their support based on race.( Google some of Chicago Congressman Luis V Gutierrez's & Jorge Ramos comments on the subject).

Now if I say I don't support amnesty because it's wrong then those same people yell I'm a "Racist".

We currently have no control of illegal immigration into our country, yet continue to allow in around 900,000 legal immigrations a year, and now John Gibson,Sean Hannity Jorge Ramos, John Boehner, Luis V. Gutierrez, Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins want to add 12-20 Million illegal aliens (wag) to our population (315 Million), which doesn't include the millions more of their family members that will come here legally under the chain migration policy...

My question to John Gibson, Sean Hannity, Jorge Ramos, John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez, Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins that support amnesty is how many more immigrants will our country hold, and how many more legal & illegal ones entering our country will make you happy?

Just because you can walk across our borders or swim / wade across a river doesn't give someone a place at the head of the line here. The line for those people starts inside the border of their own country.

To compound the problem, under the 14 Amendment we have around 300,00 new American Citizens a year who are born in our country to illegal Hispanic women, and yes John, Sean, Jorge, John B., Luis, Lindsey & Susan a lot of them walk or swim/ wade across our borders just to have those new American babies..

My closing comment is granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens is not fair to immigrants waiting in their own country to enter here the legal way and violating our immigration laws should not be rewarded with American Citizenship, it's worth more than that!

The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.

Dave

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

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#3 Nov 25, 2012
BarbaPapa wrote:
There is no need to wait any longer IMO. Most of concerns for the job market shortage, pays being lowered or economy problems that reform may cause is a myth. As 1986 amnesty(!) showed wages rather go up than down after illegals become legal workers since they seek equal treatment from employers, and what jobs they can "steal" from citizens? They already have a job! They are not bums from the street that after legalization become job seekers.Same with benefits. Yes, but from employers rather than from government and they are ready to give them benefits and pay taxes from their checks instead of giving them cash they expect so far. Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe.
Well, if one looks at the wreckage the '86 amnesty caused, you would know that another onslaught of illegals will sneak in and undercut these newly amnestied workers, putting them in the unemployment line. Making them legal will not stop them from sending money home to some relative who is saving up to pay off a coyote who will smuggle him/her into our country. I don't think you've thought too deeply about this. rewarding their illegal entry will only cause further damage to our ailing country.
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#4 Nov 25, 2012
The question is will the Democrats place the wants of a handful of racist and criminals above the needs of the majority of Americans? Based on their history with the KKK and trying to block civil rights as well as their open support for the La Raza reconquista agenda it seems likely. Obviously amnesty will slow any possible recovery from the current recession all though the inevitable decrease in wages will increase profits for some Democratic contributors who depend on easily exploitable labor.

Since: Nov 08

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#5 Nov 25, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
The question is will the Democrats place the wants of a handful of racist and criminals above the needs of the majority of Americans? Based on their history with the KKK and trying to block civil rights as well as their open support for the La Raza reconquista agenda it seems likely. Obviously amnesty will slow any possible recovery from the current recession all though the inevitable decrease in wages will increase profits for some Democratic contributors who depend on easily exploitable labor.
If the liberals keep pushing amnesty, they will eventually end the cartels billion dollar business on the border, and their liberal backing for elections.

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

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#6 Nov 25, 2012
And it's another "GOTCHA" from President home boy. Hispanics must feel so stupid right about now.
Next it will be the union's turn. LOL
ima

El Paso, TX

#7 Nov 25, 2012
BarbaPapa wrote:
There is no need to wait any longer IMO. Most of concerns for the job market shortage, pays being lowered or economy problems that reform may cause is a myth. As 1986 amnesty(!) showed wages rather go up than down after illegals become legal workers since they seek equal treatment from employers, and what jobs they can "steal" from citizens? They already have a job! They are not bums from the street that after legalization become job seekers.Same with benefits. Yes, but from employers rather than from government and they are ready to give them benefits and pay taxes from their checks instead of giving them cash they expect so far. Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe.
?????? WHAT ??????

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

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#8 Nov 25, 2012
BarbaPapa wrote:
There is no need to wait any longer IMO. Most of concerns for the job market shortage, pays being lowered or economy problems that reform may cause is a myth. As 1986 amnesty(!) showed wages rather go up than down after illegals become legal workers since they seek equal treatment from employers, and what jobs they can "steal" from citizens? They already have a job! They are not bums from the street that after legalization become job seekers.Same with benefits. Yes, but from employers rather than from government and they are ready to give them benefits and pay taxes from their checks instead of giving them cash they expect so far. Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe.
" Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe."
How can you be so sure of this. Link?

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#9 Nov 25, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
And it's another "GOTCHA" from President home boy. Hispanics must feel so stupid right about now.
Next it will be the union's turn. LOL
Obama’s 4 years of deficits totalling near $6 trillion are everyone else’s fault. When the bills start arriving for Obamacare, it will be the Republican’s fault, probably Bush’s, or maybe they will blame Fox News, who knows what liberals will blame for a problem that they created
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#10 Nov 25, 2012
Cricket 23 wrote:
Open Letter to John Gibson,Sean Hannity Jorge Ramos, John Boehner,Luis V. Gutierrez,Lindsey Graham &
Susan Collins
11/9/2012
The gentleman & Lady I've listed above are advocating amnesty for the 12-20 million (wag) illegal aliens in our country . I strongly disagree with their position for the following reasons.
In 1986 President Reagan signed off on a bill granting amnesty to 1 1/2- 2 Million illegal aliens, today I wonder how many thousands more of their family members are here now because of the current Chain
Immigration policy in place?
In the past 26 years since President Reagan signed that bill, because of politicians from both parties like Congressman John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez ,Senator Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins who have none nothing to help control both of our borders, except to stick their finger in the dike to appease the voters at home and not offend special interest groups ,12-20 Million more illegal aliens (wag) have entered our country and now because the finger caper didn't work, their solution to the problem is amnesty.
The message that people like John Gibson, Sean Hannity , Jorge Ramos, John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez,Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins are sending to immigrants around the world is that if you can enter our country illegally without getting caught and hide out for another 26 years, then sooner or later another amnesty will be granted.
Case in point, a large number of American Hispanic voters including Chicago Congressman Luis V Gutierrez & Jorge Ramos have again rally their support for amnesty, and are using their vote to blackmail the Democrats into granting it. My question is what are those Hispanic Americans basing their support on?
My answer is it's based on the fact that a large number of the illegal aliens are also Hispanics which would appear to make their support based on race.( Google some of Chicago Congressman Luis V Gutierrez's & Jorge Ramos comments on the subject).
Now if I say I don't support amnesty because it's wrong then those same people yell I'm a "Racist".
We currently have no control of illegal immigration into our country, yet continue to allow in around 900,000 legal immigrations a year, and now John Gibson,Sean Hannity Jorge Ramos, John Boehner, Luis V. Gutierrez, Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins want to add 12-20 Million illegal aliens (wag) to our population (315 Million), which doesn't include the millions more of their family members that will come here legally under the chain migration policy...
My question to John Gibson, Sean Hannity, Jorge Ramos, John Boehner , Luis V. Gutierrez, Lindsey Graham & Susan Collins that support amnesty is how many more immigrants will our country hold, and how many more legal & illegal ones entering our country will make you happy?
Just because you can walk across our borders or swim / wade across a river doesn't give someone a place at the head of the line here. The line for those people starts inside the border of their own country.
To compound the problem, under the 14 Amendment we have around 300,00 new American Citizens a year who are born in our country to illegal Hispanic women, and yes John, Sean, Jorge, John B., Luis, Lindsey & Susan a lot of them walk or swim/ wade across our borders just to have those new American babies..
My closing comment is granting amnesty to millions of illegal aliens is not fair to immigrants waiting in their own country to enter here the legal way and violating our immigration laws should not be rewarded with American Citizenship, it's worth more than that!
The inscription at the base of the Statute of Liberty concludes, "I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" It says nothing about welcoming people who bypass our entry doors by climbing walls, swimming rivers and sneaking under border fences.
Dave
Great post as pandering is going past the Democrats.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#11 Nov 25, 2012
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
The question is will the Democrats place the wants of a handful of racist and criminals above the needs of the majority of Americans? Based on their history with the KKK and trying to block civil rights as well as their open support for the La Raza reconquista agenda it seems likely. Obviously amnesty will slow any possible recovery from the current recession all though the inevitable decrease in wages will increase profits for some Democratic contributors who depend on easily exploitable labor.
You got that right and it appears that the Democrats care nothing about other Americans.
Who

Wyoming, MI

#12 Nov 25, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama’s 4 years of deficits totalling near $6 trillion are everyone else’s fault. When the bills start arriving for Obamacare, it will be the Republican’s fault, probably Bush’s, or maybe they will blame Fox News, who knows what liberals will blame for a problem that they created
Obastard care is "free", the money is coming from Obastard's "stash".

Tell him liberals, remind us of how "free" free healthcare will be. As "free" as their OBAMA PHONE!
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#13 Nov 25, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
And it's another "GOTCHA" from President home boy. Hispanics must feel so stupid right about now.
Next it will be the union's turn. LOL
Hey all the special interests are asking for their bribe like Romney correctly predicted. Funny how the news attacked him and he was right. I guess they don't like the truth stated to them in plain English.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#14 Nov 25, 2012
Vance1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama’s 4 years of deficits totalling near $6 trillion are everyone else’s fault. When the bills start arriving for Obamacare, it will be the Republican’s fault, probably Bush’s, or maybe they will blame Fox News, who knows what liberals will blame for a problem that they created
Yeah, Obama never took responsibility for his actions and mistakes. I bet for Obama that Bush will be responsible 10 years after he was out.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

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#15 Nov 25, 2012
OH NO YOU Did not wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey all the special interests are asking for their bribe like Romney correctly predicted. Funny how the news attacked him and he was right. I guess they don't like the truth stated to them in plain English.
Isn't that something? LMAO! Told ya so.
Hate the NCAA

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#17 Nov 25, 2012
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Well, if one looks at the wreckage the '86 amnesty caused, you would know that another onslaught of illegals will sneak in and undercut these newly amnestied workers, putting them in the unemployment line. Making them legal will not stop them from sending money home to some relative who is saving up to pay off a coyote who will smuggle him/her into our country. I don't think you've thought too deeply about this. rewarding their illegal entry will only cause further damage to our ailing country.
Illegal got the same hormones as you and as*hole like you have so they will fornicate and birth! That is a mandate from nature that does not obey political boundaries. 300,000? Then since 2008, when O got elected, there should be 1.2 million children (US nationals) of one illegal parent. That data is inconsistent!

You took the better agricultural and gold part of Mexico in 1848 and then you proceeded to intervene into Mexico in the 1900's so you will pay for the consequences of your actions in the past. The border used to be at Lamar Texas, then you moved to Phoenix AZ, and then you moved to Nogales, AZ. It is you who had moved into Mexico,displacind their people and then you intefered with the evolution of Mexico via military incursions, aid cut, sovereingty violations, and then your selective appetite for drugs! Making Mexico poor but stealing their land and feeding revolution instability on purpose without thinking of that consequence is stupid!!

You are so fking arrogant that an blinded imperialism of having more that delivered economic poverty and political instability to others should have a blowback on you!

Fking idiot, read history, not just the one convenient to you, and then critically think. You almost did the same to Canada in 1812-1813 but the Canadian kicked your rear hole. Otherwise, Canada will be without those tarsand oil that they are selling to the world! Canada has used immigration to elevate the standard of living of their 33 million people but they are also a source of your most feared enemies from the Middle East that can sneak through that border.
OH NO YOU Did not

Rancho Cucamonga, CA

#18 Nov 25, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>Isn't that something? LMAO! Told ya so.
Nah, he told us so and the press denigrated him for stating the truth. I guess the press hates the truth.

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

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#19 Nov 25, 2012
Immigrunt wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow! <shaking head>
Me too.
Hate the NCAA

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#20 Nov 25, 2012
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>" Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe."
How can you be so sure of this. Link?
It is call RESPONSIBILITY! If an illegal sends money to his or her obligations that they left behind (families), this is a sign of person with integral values! You never forget what brought into this world and what you brought out to this world. Failure to forget this makes unworthy of being a citizen anywhere in the world.

We all recall that in 1700's, 1800's and early 1900's, money transfer was difficult (even gold transfer between banks was dangerous) so the immigrant that came in during those time had no choices to spend everything here leaving their relatives or children back home to their own devices or fend for themselves.

The illegal pay taxes (at least consumption) even when they send money back to their countries. But their biggest impact is the work dones that would not get done with our legals. You are complaining because illegal conduct their normal physiological duties (fornication, get sick by DNA, birthing, die, etc.) that cost money anywhere they are at.

You should complaint about the greater than 50% of the manufacturing jobs lost to Asia (globalism) and we gained low wage paying jobs instead. That impoverishment, done deliverly by the upper class and multinationals, is causing more damage to the US than 10 million illegal. You better ask the GOP about Gap inequality (GINI) and salary freeze led to our increase poverty base and poverty rate!!!!!!!!!!

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#23 Nov 25, 2012
" Moreover these employees will gladly pay taxes and spend money they earn here in US instead of sending it abroad just to be safe."
How can you be so sure of this. Link?
Hate the NCAA wrote:
<quoted text>
It is call RESPONSIBILITY! If an illegal sends money to his or her obligations that they left behind (families), this is a sign of person with integral values! You never forget what brought into this world and what you brought out to this world. Failure to forget this makes unworthy of being a citizen anywhere in the world.
We all recall that in 1700's, 1800's and early 1900's, money transfer was difficult (even gold transfer between banks was dangerous) so the immigrant that came in during those time had no choices to spend everything here leaving their relatives or children back home to their own devices or fend for themselves.
The illegal pay taxes (at least consumption) even when they send money back to their countries. But their biggest impact is the work dones that would not get done with our legals. You are complaining because illegal conduct their normal physiological duties (fornication, get sick by DNA, birthing, die, etc.) that cost money anywhere they are at.
You should complaint about the greater than 50% of the manufacturing jobs lost to Asia (globalism) and we gained low wage paying jobs instead. That impoverishment, done deliverly by the upper class and multinationals, is causing more damage to the US than 10 million illegal. You better ask the GOP about Gap inequality (GINI) and salary freeze led to our increase poverty base and poverty rate!!!!!!!!!!
You haven,t answered my question.
Responsibility just doesn't cut it and you know this, especially when our nation is dealing with those here illegally. Responsibility means nothing to them as they have already demonstrated no regard for our laws at all.

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