It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103326 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Since: Feb 11

Ely, UK

#84120 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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If you would like ~ I could find out the answer to that.
5:08 PM Mild, dark, but if I look out the window my neighbor across the street has a huge lit/lighted star on her barn/house. Looks really cool.
Yes,,if you could find the answer it would be interesting,,I have'nt as yet disscovered the same thing here, but that's not to say it does'nt exit,,,England Scotland maybe.

My neighbour has gone overboard, lights everwhere and huge inflatable snowman and father christmas, he is raising money for charity.

22:27 pm still no moon, so very dark apart from glow at neighbours home, even colder now.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#84123 Dec 8, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
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Hmmm,,Teaman seems to have cleared things up, however as I am now intrigued, I will attempt to find out were this house is or was.
21:14 Dark, no moon, cold.
I was watching a show on the History channel named How the States Were Made. Interesting show. On one show they had a bar/tavern situated on a state line, one state being dry and the other wet (alcohol laws). One couldn't bring his drink to the part of the building where the men's room was located as it was in the dry state part of the building.:-)

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#84124 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Ornery dear.
APATHETIC much?
That's right ~ look the other way and try to blame an innocent person.
Do you find it to be a coincidence? Does that make you feel better?
Not feeble minded ~ yet.
Auzzie's are a cocky bunch.
Still frowning and shaking my head.
Auzzie's go home.
When it comes to blame there's only one person responsible for making the decision to end her own life, the nurse.
And I've still not heard or seen any official confirmation that she did do that, as far as I know it's still only 'suspected'.

Why should I get all upset about someone on the other side of the planet losing their life?
What's done is done, there's nothing I can do about it.
But the feeble minded such as yourself are quick to blame all Australians for the actions of two morons who managed to pull off a stupid prank.
Exactly like you blame all guns for the actions of a few morons in control of guns when bad things happen.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#84125 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
A Jersey guy born in Texass.
I don't know. I don't think I belong in the Peoples Republic of NJ.
Heh! Even the family dog is required to wear a seat belt here.:-(
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84127 Dec 8, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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I don't know. I don't think I belong in the Peoples Republic of NJ.
Heh! Even the family dog is required to wear a seat belt here.:-(
One of the bad things about NJ is, high school and real estate taxes.

How does one keep a dog in a seat belt?
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84128 Dec 8, 2012
_0rion_ wrote:
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When it comes to blame there's only one person responsible for making the decision to end her own life, the nurse.
And I've still not heard or seen any official confirmation that she did do that, as far as I know it's still only 'suspected'.
Why should I get all upset about someone on the other side of the planet losing their life?
What's done is done, there's nothing I can do about it.
But the feeble minded such as yourself are quick to blame all Australians for the actions of two morons who managed to pull off a stupid prank.
Exactly like you blame all guns for the actions of a few morons in control of guns when bad things happen.
Ornery,

Shaking head.

She committed suicide because she was ashamed of what she did. Your people pushed her over the edge. She couldn't deal with it. Maybe she was going to lose her job and be out on the street. No one would hire her because her name would be mud, so to speak.

No, there is nothing you can or could do, but you sound so apathetic and that's not nice.

Feeble minded. That's not nice. I see a pattern here.

Didn't blame ALL Auzzie's, but I think most of you found it to be funny. Fess up.

The actions of a FEW morons? 9,000 deaths are a FEW?

Learn to roll with the punches. I do.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#84130 Dec 8, 2012
You could say it is crazy talk to suggest Obama doesn’t want to bring our fiscal house in order, but I say, based on the evidence, it’s much crazier to pretend he has any intention of balancing the budget.

MAKE OBAMA PAY FOR HIS BULLYING TACTICS

This is not a close call, and reasonable people, if they understood the facts, would not support Obama. The problem is that so many people who trust him, inexplicably, look no further than his disingenuous statements and the liberal media’s slanted reporting. Meanwhile the Republican Party leadership simply cannot seem to get its message across. It would help if they evidenced more faith in the wisdom of their own approach.

This isn’t complicated. Our financial problems are overwhelmingly a result of excess spending, not of insufficient tax revenues. Increasing rates or decreasing deductions won’t make a speck of difference, and Obama knows it.

Our $16 trillion national debt and our $100 trillion of unfunded liabilities are going to destroy this nation in relatively short order if we don’t take drastic remedial action.

http://www.humanevents.com/2012/12/07/make-ob...

BrennusBains • a day ago &#8722;
Obama wants a 'virtual' one-party state and John Boner is accomodating him by screwing conservative house members.

The issue is not the debt ceiling or the budget. It's the Obama 'black reparations disguised as entitlements and taxes' dictatorship.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84131 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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Tracyvon,
Indians didn't have guns and rifles?
Blacks had canoes? If they did ~ it could be considered a navy.
When the Europeans came no the indians didn't have guns or other metal weapons, they had a stick with a rock on it. When they stole or gained firearms on the black market they were outdated or had little if any ammo. A small stick is a weapon when facing a bug, but when facing a large bear you would be considered unarmed.
Tray

Saltillo, MS

#84132 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
Looks like Tracyvon might eat her own words.
Smiling.
Would you like a little salt with that?

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#84133 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Ornery,
Shaking head.
She committed suicide because she was ashamed of what she did. Your people pushed her over the edge. She couldn't deal with it. Maybe she was going to lose her job and be out on the street. No one would hire her because her name would be mud, so to speak.
No, there is nothing you can or could do, but you sound so apathetic and that's not nice.
Feeble minded. That's not nice. I see a pattern here.
Didn't blame ALL Auzzie's, but I think most of you found it to be funny. Fess up.
The actions of a FEW morons? 9,000 deaths are a FEW?
Learn to roll with the punches. I do.
You don't know any of that is truth, you know nothing at all about who she was or why she did anything.
You're just speculating, guessing & doing what a few other posters in this thread seem to do consistently, making things up & turning things around to suit your own point of view.

Apathetic or not, it really doesn't concern me, if that's not suited to your view of 'nice' well that's just tuff luck, I'm sure you'll get over it eventually.

You think most Australians found it funny?
Why do you think that?
I think the only ones that found it funny were the 2 morons that did it & their small, narrow-minded band of followers.

9,000, comparing that to the total population & total number of guns within that population it could be argued it's a few.
My point was you blame the guns, not those in charge of them.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84137 Dec 8, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> When the Europeans came no the indians didn't have guns or other metal weapons, they had a stick with a rock on it. When they stole or gained firearms on the black market they were outdated or had little if any ammo. A small stick is a weapon when facing a bug, but when facing a large bear you would be considered unarmed.
Tracyvon,

Their guns were not outdated. A lot of times they were better than what the military had.

You may eat your words now.

Enjoy!
Dr Freud

Netherlands

#84138 Dec 8, 2012
sid wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying a gun doesn't “influence the mind of possessor”, I agree in the sense of a gun being an inanimate object having no mental control of it's owner. A gun is nothing more than a tool but the mental predisposition of the user is the determining factor. I could use a gun to blow holes in the ground to plant beans if I want or blow a hole in someone. Same as a car, the car isn't the problem, it's the nut behind the wheel.
A gun can give you a sense of or ability to,
1. The ability to harm or kill another
2. The almost guaranteed surety of harming or killing another
3. Being able to harm or kill without being harmed or killed.
4. A heightened sense of personal security [perceived or real]
5. A distorted view of personal ability [over confidence, superiority]
6. A potential to take risks you normally wouldn't
7. Respond disproportionately to a given situation [over react]
8. To kill or harm without intention [accidents]
9. To use force precipitously when inaction or delayed action may suffice
10. Escalate a situation rather than calm it.
11. An ease of ability to harm or kill
12. Being able to quickly resolve a situation
A knife or baseball bat will give you some of these senses or abilities but not all at once, it depends on the situation and the individuals. You are correct in saying that a gun never killed anyone of it's own volition but that's about as meaningful as saying a vacuum cleaner never cleaned the house of it's own volition.
You are right in saying it's “ It's all a matter of 'convenience”, but different inanimate objects are potentially lethal in varying degrees, to say vegetable knife is as lethal as glock 9mm is bullshit and you know it. I agree that the gun in someone's hand didn't kill anyone but the mental state of the person holding the gun caused the gun to kill. A knife can kill a gun can kill, that makes them equal in one potentially but the ability, speed, convenience, guarantee, personal safety of using a gun to kill leaves a knife in the shade. The solution to the so called gun problem is, either everyone has guns or no one has guns and that ain't going to happen.
Take it easy.
Once again: Inanimate objects are, well, inanimate.
You could no more blame a rock for a bashed skull, than you could blame a gun, or its bullets, for whatever injury or death.
Any attempt to stop untoward acts of violence through outlawry is as about as crazy, and stupid, as attempting to stop bad language by outlawing dictionaries.
Unthinking people who figure that they've got it all figured out, are the very worst, for they pretend to KNOW everything there is. But in the process of their completely faulted prognostications, they inevitably wreak MORE havoc through their totally worthless laws, which they inflict upon everyone else.
In sum total, it has been revealed innumerable times that outlawing objects has absolutely no affect upon criminals. But what outlawry does accomplish, is to turn those who are generally of peaceful mind into victims just waiting to happen.
Evaluated for the totality of the evidence then, it is seen that outlawry CREATES victims, whereas without outlawry, the probability of victimhood to violent behavior actually diminishes.
The proof of my last remark is to be seen in the U.S., whereas in those locations where guns are very severely regulated, the violent crime rate soars, but immediately outside those place, the violent crime rate plummets. WHY? Because violent criminals KNOW that the citizen in those outer places are ARMED, and ARE WILLING to employ their guns in their own self-defense. Violent predators are in essence cowards: They demand to have prey which cannot fight back.
Guppy

Bristol, PA

#84139 Dec 8, 2012
_0rion_ wrote:
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You don't know any of that is truth, you know nothing at all about who she was or why she did anything.
You're just speculating, guessing & doing what a few other posters in this thread seem to do consistently, making things up & turning things around to suit your own point of view.
Apathetic or not, it really doesn't concern me, if that's not suited to your view of 'nice' well that's just tuff luck, I'm sure you'll get over it eventually.
You think most Australians found it funny?
Why do you think that?
I think the only ones that found it funny were the 2 morons that did it & their small, narrow-minded band of followers.
9,000, comparing that to the total population & total number of guns within that population it could be argued it's a few.
My point was you blame the guns, not those in charge of them.
You are so ornery!

Yes, I am just speculating. Don't WE ALL do that at one time or another. Yes..

9,000 etc. Bet you wouldn't be saying that if some of your family were killed with a gun. No matter how you slice it ~ it is still a lot of people ~ that still should be alive.

Apathetic? You are and that's not a good trait to have.

Yes, I think Austrailians thought it was funny. As in, Hahahaha.

Reflect...
Dr Freud

Netherlands

#84140 Dec 8, 2012
Teaman wrote:
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So was I. Born in Texas but raised in Europe. What does that make me?
Umm, okay, I think I know: A European Tex-a-billy?
;-)

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#84141 Dec 8, 2012
Guppy wrote:
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One of the bad things about NJ is, high school and real estate taxes.
How does one keep a dog in a seat belt?
A dog seat belt from Petco.

http://www.petco.com/product/112438/Petco-Pre...

The real estate taxes are the highest in the nation. School is included in the tax.

Since: Jan 11

Mount Holly, NJ

#84142 Dec 8, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
Umm, okay, I think I know: A European Tex-a-billy?
;-)
That's a good one. Military dependent though.

European red neck? German wet back?
More

Santa Fe, NM

#84143 Dec 8, 2012
American Lady wrote:
. It's the Obama 'black reparations disguised as entitlements and taxes' dictatorship.
insane racist crp.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84145 Dec 8, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Hmm. Three examples of what happens to unarmed populations.
No this is what happens when a race of people want what another has, it's called greed and racism!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84146 Dec 8, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Interesting isn't it. Violent crime in gun-free countries goes up. Since the victims can't defend themselves the crime is more likely successful leaving more victims. Is it better to have many more rape and assault victims than a few dead criminals who get to just reoffend over and over? Interesting fact-people killed each other very well long before guns were ever invented mostly by criminals and oppressive dictators.
And it is a crime rate dominated by men.... so therefore there should be a perfectly simple answer to controlling the violence, hate, rape and murder...re_educate the scum, and if they fail to be educated...get rid of them.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84147 Dec 8, 2012
Tray wrote:
The discovery of penicillin is attributed to Scottish scientist and Nobel laureate Alexander Fleming in 1928. He showed that, if Penicillium rubens were grown in the appropriate substrate, it would exude a substance with antibiotic properties, which he dubbed penicillin. This serendipitous observation began the modern era of antibiotic discovery. The development of penicillin for use as a medicine is attributed to the Australian Nobel laureate Howard Walter Florey, together with the German Nobel laureate Ernst Chain and the English biochemist Norman Heatley.
The penicillin you have today is because of a dicovery of the recognised British born Australian Howard Florrey, do get it right dweeb..........http://www.abc. net.au/science/slab/florey/sto ry.htm

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