It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103292 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84012 Dec 7, 2012
Guppy wrote:
Having a gun in your house is irresponsible. You know the reasons why.
Gun Deaths ~~
2011
Japan 11 deaths
Uk 39 deaths
US a staggering 9,000!!!!
Why? Too many yahoo's have guns.
Shame on you ~ American gun owners. Not only are you fearful, but you are violent too.
Gun laws have to change or else I am moving to the UK. The houses etc. in London aren't that expensive. Are they?
Why are you whining that 8500 criminals kill each other every year in the US??

Are you jealous that not enough criminals are killing each other. DC, Chicago and Ca certainly have their fair share.
X Obama Supporter

Coffeyville, KS

#84013 Dec 7, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
What Australians have done this day, just in case you hadn't heard....the potential to engineer a vacine is now on the cards...think of all the lives this can save.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-07-09/scienti...
I take it you aren't going to post what else Australians have done today.....you know, that nurse/suicide incident. Where's the link Aussie? You know, just in case someone hadn't heard.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84014 Dec 7, 2012
Patriot wrote:
Anti-Second Amendment Democrat Arrested With Gun at Chicago’s O’Hare
12/06/12
http://www.infowars.com/anti-second-amendment...
NICE!!!

Reminds me of assho, bunny, and illogical.

They are the pigs in Animal Farm, who say "every animal is equal", but some animals are more equal.

“Now thats a tin hat!”

Since: Oct 07

Blue Ridge Mountains

#84015 Dec 7, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
9,000 people were murdered by Guns in one year! That is the bottom line. You can moan and groan, but it doesn't change the facts.
Ban guns
Look at the UK and Japan/no guns = no deaths. Very few deaths. Why are the American's so fearful and the rest of the world is not.
Why do you whine abotu 8500 criminals getting killed by other criminals????

Are you related to all of them????

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#84016 Dec 7, 2012
Here's what few people realize.

The homicide rate in the most populated part of the UK, England/Wales, is about the same as for the USA, 10 per 100,000.

But somehow the anti-gun folks believe a person is less dead if not killed with a gun. Go figure!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#84017 Dec 7, 2012
The homicide comparisons between England/Wales and the USA clearly show that if there is a problem it is a violence problem, not a gun problem.

There's a huge disparity in gun homicides between the two places but almost no difference in overall homicide rates. But will say again, if the person is not killed with a gun they are much less dead, so thinks the anti-gun faction.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#84018 Dec 7, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
What Australians have done this day, just in case you hadn't heard....the potential to engineer a vacine is now on the cards...think of all the lives this can save.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2008-07-09/scienti...
==========
A little late but better late than never.

Professor Kelly Chibale and his colleagues of Cape Town South Africa have discovered a pill that with one dose wipes out malaria in a victim of it.

And of course, malaria was treatable before if done in time.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84019 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you whining that 8500 criminals kill each other every year in the US??
Are you jealous that not enough criminals are killing each other. DC, Chicago and Ca certainly have their fair share.
Judge and Jury?

How do you know there were 8500 criminals who killed each other?

Wineing? I would never do that.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84020 Dec 7, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
The homicide comparisons between England/Wales and the USA clearly show that if there is a problem it is a violence problem, not a gun problem.
There's a huge disparity in gun homicides between the two places but almost no difference in overall homicide rates. But will say again, if the person is not killed with a gun they are much less dead, so thinks the anti-gun faction.
Have you been drinking? You posted basically the same thing twice.

Christmas Cheer?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84021 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you whining that 8500 criminals kill each other every year in the US??
Are you jealous that not enough criminals are killing each other. DC, Chicago and Ca certainly have their fair share.
Dearest Zig,

I know it's the Christmas Season, but could you refrain from posting the same things over and over. You seem to just tweak it a bit.

Bottoms Up!

ps ~ yes, i am jealous. does that make you feel better.....aw, such a sweet boy.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84022 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you whine abotu 8500 criminals getting killed by other criminals????
Are you related to all of them????
Yes, I am related to MOST of them. At least I hope I am.

What happened to your previous avatar? The picture of you in a white dress. I liked that one better.

That dress featured you!
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84023 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
NICE!!!
Reminds me of assho, bunny, and illogical.
They are the pigs in Animal Farm, who say "every animal is equal", but some animals are more equal.
Honey ~ Why do you call me a Pig? Do I snort like one?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84024 Dec 7, 2012
X Obama Supporter wrote:
<quoted text>
I take it you aren't going to post what else Australians have done today.....you know, that nurse/suicide incident. Where's the link Aussie? You know, just in case someone hadn't heard.
OMG! Did they cure cancer?
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84025 Dec 7, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
Do yourself a favor then. The next time you need help...do NOT call 9-1-1. Why?? Because bad men WITH GUNS will show up and want to help you. And since guns are the root of all evil (according to you), we wouldn't want you to have a heart-attack or stroke because a gun is near. Really...it's for your own good.
Oh?

Isn't that why we pay taxes?

Maybe I should call the good fairy and she will sprinkle fairy dust on us.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#84027 Dec 7, 2012
Oh, must be the weekend and everyone is off.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84029 Dec 7, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
WOW! Bigoted much???
No, Not bigoted, just an honest and accurate observer of the human condition.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84030 Dec 7, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
<quoted text>
And ^that^ is nothing but pure PROJECTION, you racist POS.
where have I ever claimed not to be a racist...tell me after 911 that you didn't use racism against bin laden...or his race in genera,l and label all muslims in the same basket...well did you punk?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84031 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
What you say has merit, and indeed Zimmerman may be a wannabe cop.
My question to you is, when do you give up the right to defend yourself from someone trying to kill you?
There are specifics in the law here in NC. I am interested in your opinion.
This actually isn't about giving up the right to defend yourself, this is about a guy who ignored advice of police not to follow a posible threat, so he could play at being a hero to his community with dire consequences that could have been avoided.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84032 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
The photo of the bloody head was available a couple of weeks after the incident. You just won't see it on the liberal news. I found it on a UK source. The liberal news had already plastered the low res photos that did not show wounds to prove their point.
The liberal news hates it when it gets caught in a lie.
I didn't spot those pics till just recently, thanks for the info, but the pics change nothing for me as I never believed and altercation didn't occur....I just have my idea of how it went down judging on the facts as they come....Zimmerman said that Martin grabbed for his gun in the altercation that took place....that appears to be a lie because they have proved there is no DNA on the gun from Martin which supports Zimmermans accounts...which keeps my theory of him being the one that instigated it all, against expert advice, and it got out of hand.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#84033 Dec 7, 2012
ZigmunnDroid wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm.
We speculate that the thug banging Z's head on the sidewalk will kill Z, and you call that pure speculation.
You specualte that Z somehow confronted the thug until he was provoked enough to attack Z, and you have no evidence, and you call our theory "pure speculation".
We base our guess on known facts, you base you guess on things you made up.
Hmmm.
I go with the facts.
You are assuming this kid to be a thug in this instance when most of the evidence is that it was Zimmerman with his record and behaviour that was thuggish....he got out of his car and an altercation took place...stands to reason the kid was miffed...look at it from both sides....if that was you that some guy in this case Zimmerman was following, what would you have done.... if you felt confident about being there and were being followed...you would have stopped turned and asked what the guy wanted and when asked what you were doing there and you explained and the guy didn't accept your explanation, you would have told him to piss off, because you had a legit right to be there. It is all speculation on the information given and everyone has an opinion, it is human nature to want to take a side of the person that fits your idea of the norm rather than seek justice.
That is why we have a jury of our peers...

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