It's the Guns, Stupid

It's the Guns, Stupid

There are 103299 comments on the Truthdig story from Apr 20, 2007, titled It's the Guns, Stupid. In it, Truthdig reports that:

“And that's the end of the issue”

Why do we have the same futile argument every time there is a mass killing? Advocates of gun control try to open a discussion about whether more reasonable weapons statutes might reduce the number of violent ... via Truthdig

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Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83834 Dec 5, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
"Dear god. Take pity on this man."
That YOU would make an appeal to THE very Creator which YOU have BOTH dismissed, AND discarded?!?!?
That's LAUGHABLE in the EXTREME!!!
The GATES OF HELL welcome YOU with OPEN ARMS!!!!
The gates of hell? And where would that be? Have you been?

Both? Me and who else?

It's easy to dismiss HIM, because he doesn't exist. You know that.

Discarded? How can I discard something that isn't real? It's not tangible.

You are being one bad kid tonight!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83836 Dec 5, 2012
_0rion_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, stop hogging all the 'stupid'.
Someone else might need some.
No ammount of even stupid brain matter or eletrical charges to your genitals could help you though, you are beyone all help.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83837 Dec 5, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Sanford is very close to Disneyland. Orlando, Florida
There is a train that starts in Lawton, Virginia that goes to Sanford, Florida. Your car goes on the train.
I wouldn't think that Amtrak (auto train) would be too happy with the Sanford problem.
Does that make sense?
MEANING ~ IF ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE IN SANFORD A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO TAKE THEIR KIDS ON THE AUTO TRAIN TO DISNEYLAND WILL THINK TWICE ABOUT BUYING A TICKET IF THERE ARE BIG PROBLEMS THERE.
HOW IS THAT RACIST?

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83838 Dec 5, 2012
whooyaa wrote:
<quoted text>
I said it was close to my phone, You manufactured that it was lying out in the open.
Protecting ones family is not a privilage, it is a responsibility.
Who do you think will protect your family? Your neighbor?, The cops? Doubt it.
Anyone with the mindset on killing their family, is gunna do it.
What they use to do it is really secondary.
Not at all if it is by the phone when you go upstairs to get your shotgun(which you make a point of) then it is clearly lying there in the open...der!
I believe everyone of the above would protect my family if they could...and that includes me....but I would do it out of love and not responsibility which implies it is a burden.
A gun is easy fast and clean....I bet if you were going to do it, you would use a gun because you have one, and you can stand at a distance and not get blood splatter or cuts in your hands...all good reasons to use a gun if your intent is to make out it wasn't you....
.

“Topix is lowlife scum with no”

Since: Jun 12

respect for anyone...

#83839 Dec 5, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
No ammount of even stupid brain matter or eletrical charges to your genitals could help you though, you are beyone all help.
At least I can make intelligible sentences.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83840 Dec 5, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU ARE RACIST!!!
WHAT do YOU NOT understand about that?
YOU ARE A RACIST!!!!
I have no clue what you are talking about.

For a shrink ~ you have no finesse.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83841 Dec 5, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> You are full of crap. You have made a race case out of this from your first post. Trayvon did the wrong thing, he assaulted a victim with a gun pure and simple. I have shown you over and over legally George did nothing wrong. According to the state Trayvon acted in malice and caused his own death. The rest of this case don't have a leg to stand on and when George walks you will be the first to cry race again. THE RACE CARD IS DEAD. You and your race baiters have been seen for what you are. Attention seekers who will use a dead body for their own sick needs. More and more REAL black leaders are getting as far away from Jackson and Sharpton as they can. Most criticize this case for what it is, a last ditch effort to make a dime off racism that they promote.
Hang on a minute, aren't you for believing people are innocent till proven guilty it sounds an awful lot like you have made up your mind and what a dumb decission that was considering if Zimmerman hadn't confronted the kid for no good reason the kid would still be alive. It is understandable that he is up for murder. I remember reading somewhere, where the cops hadn't arrested Zimmerman originally because he gave the "stand your ground defence and then because of the mass public outcry he was then arrested, and rightfully so.... Seems to me their are some decent and sane Americans after all...they are not all ignorant dumb arses like you and the gun owning dicks on this thread...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83842 Dec 5, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Wake up and realize you hooked your wagon to the wrong martir. Trayvon just wasn't the wind to reinflate the sail of affirmative action and getting away with crime with the excuse of blacks can't help it and blacks should get a free pass for passed crimes against people long dead and gone.
There you go with your redneck racism again...for all you know the kid was totally innocent even to the point of having to defend himself from a guy brandishing a gun and demanding he account for why he was there in the first place....seems all a bit like the days of old where the white guy could murder a black guy with impunity...would he have done the same thing if the guy had been white in his community....nope I don't think so because they are racist that is why they live in a gated community...they have a fear of blacks not whites.

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83843 Dec 5, 2012
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> HAA HAA HAA! I have proven you wrong and a liar to the point I could pave a 4 lane highway with your lies. Get real no one has bought your bull since you began.
Well when and if you ever do I will let you know!
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83844 Dec 5, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
"You should consider Estrogen."
If YOU are NOT a medical professional, then YOU should TAKEN TO COURT for MEDICAL malpractice, inasmuch as 'prescribing' medication over the Internet is considered 'malpractice.'
YOU have NO IDEA about the use of the hormone 'estrogen,' and its influences.
YOU should be HUNTED DOWN, arrested, tried, and convicted for MEDICAL MALPRACTICE!
CALM DOWN.

I will consult my attorney first thing in the morning. I"ll be up ALL night ~ worried to death.

I was merely trying to help Ms. X. I am astute enough to see that she is suffering from Estrogen depletion. Estrogen would do her a world of good. Maybe you too.

Yes, I do have an idea about the use of Estrogen. I DO go to the Doctor, you know. SOME PEOPLE HAVE TO WEIGH THE BENEFIT TO THE RISK AND MAYBE TAKE IT. It's not going to kill you! It may give you breast cancer etc., but most likely they were going to get it anyway. Chill.

Maybe Ms X could take Estrogen suppositories?

Didn't know I could Prescribe. That is news to me.

Taken to court? The courts are backed up with criminals like you. You are misleading people. You WANT people to think you are a Medical Doctor, when in fact, YOU ARE NOT. That is obvious.
AND it is quite obvious that you are not a lawyer either. I can't believe I am going to say this, but lawyers have more sense than you. Ha!

Dear god in heaven. Please help this person to see the error of his ways.

Saint Ann

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83845 Dec 5, 2012
spider1954 wrote:
<quoted text>
What the hell are you talking about, cardinal rule my arse, YOU do not know what was said by either party, any more than I do, your basing your opinion on emotion. Untill I first visited this thread and hence this case, I was'nt aware of the stand you ground law, why would I bastardise it, it doesent affect me unless they introduce it into law in the UK. According to you if I follow and ask a stranger what they are doing in a secure fenced of area, I am in the wrong,,,Im starting something,,,your completly loopy.
More of your pedantic delusional bullshit....yes the one cardinal rule from the time you have your first fight that the one who started it was the guilty party...it is always right....always...in this case Zimmerman overstepped the mark he approached the kid, and now he will pay dearly for his fears and overeaction that cost this kid his life...and good job I say...the dumb yanks should never have laws like stand your ground because they don't have the nouse not to use it as a protection for their racism hate and fear....it's a white's carte' blanche' to kill with impunity....and they abuse the shit out of it...in only a couple of cases have they proved that this law was ever used correctly, the rest were just idiots overeaction...and this is another one....
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83846 Dec 5, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
Hang on a minute, aren't you for believing people are innocent till proven guilty it sounds an awful lot like you have made up your mind and what a dumb decission that was considering if Zimmerman hadn't confronted the kid for no good reason the kid would still be alive. It is understandable that he is up for murder. I remember reading somewhere, where the cops hadn't arrested Zimmerman originally because he gave the "stand your ground defence and then because of the mass public outcry he was then arrested, and rightfully so.... Seems to me their are some decent and sane Americans after all...they are not all ignorant dumb arses like you and the gun owning dicks on this thread...
You Are Only Innocent Until Proven Guilty In A Court Of Law.

Has nothing to do with the general public.

Lahala

Saint Ann

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83847 Dec 5, 2012
Dr Freud wrote:
<quoted text>
"You should consider Estrogen."
If YOU are NOT a medical professional, then YOU should TAKEN TO COURT for MEDICAL malpractice, inasmuch as 'prescribing' medication over the Internet is considered 'malpractice.'
YOU have NO IDEA about the use of the hormone 'estrogen,' and its influences.
YOU should be HUNTED DOWN, arrested, tried, and convicted for MEDICAL MALPRACTICE!
You men should try a little estrogen yourselves, it would remove the build of testosterone that sees your need to aquire and use guns.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83848 Dec 5, 2012
Did Treyvon Martin live in the same gated community as George Zimmerman?

Why doesn't someone change the topic?

Maybe yous can talk about the fact that any person can go into a store, buy a rifle, and shoot animals. WITHOUT TRAINING. That means they are not killing them with the first shot.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83849 Dec 5, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
More of your pedantic delusional bullshit....yes the one cardinal rule from the time you have your first fight that the one who started it was the guilty party...it is always right....always...in this case Zimmerman overstepped the mark he approached the kid, and now he will pay dearly for his fears and overeaction that cost this kid his life...and good job I say...the dumb yanks should never have laws like stand your ground because they don't have the nouse not to use it as a protection for their racism hate and fear....it's a white's carte' blanche' to kill with impunity....and they abuse the shit out of it...in only a couple of cases have they proved that this law was ever used correctly, the rest were just idiots overeaction...and this is another one....
Prove that white American's abuse the shite out of Stand Your Ground.

Prove that ~ it's a white's carte blanche to kill with impunity.

Totally a lie.

You Austrailians are a crazy bunch of yahoo's! I only know one Austrailian, and he's a kook.
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83850 Dec 5, 2012
This is what goes on whilst I am usually asleep?

Can't sleep tonight.

Worried about the police coming to my door because I Prescribed Estrogen to a pre-menopausal woman.

I swear, I'll never do it again.

St. Ann
Guppy

Gadsden, AL

#83851 Dec 5, 2012
Dumb Yanks? Can you imagine an Austrailian saying that about an American?

Without the American's you guys wouldn't exist, or you would still be back in the stone age.

Audacity...

Since: Jan 11

Abingdon, VA

#83852 Dec 5, 2012
Ahomana wrote:
<quoted text>
There you go with your redneck racism again...for all you know the kid was totally innocent even to the point of having to defend himself from a guy brandishing a gun and demanding he account for why he was there in the first place....seems all a bit like the days of old where the white guy could murder a black guy with impunity...would he have done the same thing if the guy had been white in his community....nope I don't think so because they are racist that is why they live in a gated community...they have a fear of blacks not whites.
Did Zimmerman become white?

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13...

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83853 Dec 5, 2012
Guppy wrote:
<quoted text>
Prove that white American's abuse the shite out of Stand Your Ground.
Prove that ~ it's a white's carte blanche to kill with impunity.
Totally a lie.
You Austrailians are a crazy bunch of yahoo's! I only know one Austrailian, and he's a kook.
What you noong, can't read your own papers..and evidence put out by those in the know...that might not make you a kook but it sure makes you one ignorant yankee twat, no surprise there.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/19787/jorda...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-hemenway-...

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/cri...

By the way fish, there is plenty of information on stand your ground abuses on the internet....my advice get off your tuffet and go look then you would kill your ignorance...fat chance!

Since: Dec 10

Perth, Australia

#83854 Dec 5, 2012
Teaman wrote:
<quoted text>
Did Zimmerman become white?
http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13...
Zimmerman was a white hispanic...living in a middle class gated community....

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