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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#858359 Feb 12, 2013
Nuculur option wrote:
This is further proof of your lies and ignorance,Dweeb.
Geothermal heating systems have no need for water, you nitwit!! They cannot, by law, tap into an aquifier.
You stupid enough to believe there are aquifiers everywhete??
You're a stupid person. Even a cursory look would have better informed you.
And you claim to be a geologist!! I saw your earlier post where you said too many geothermal systems would heat the earth too much!!
ROFLMAO
That's like saying too many air conditioners in a neighborhood would raise the ambient temperature for the neighborhood!! Pure stupidity!!
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""HOW A GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM WORKS
Throughout the year, outdoor temperatures fluctuate with the changing seasons. However, about four to six feet below the Earth's surface, Wisconsin temperatures remain relatively moderate and consistent all year (about 50 degrees F, in WI). This is because the Earth absorbs 47% of all heat and energy from the sun that reaches the surface. A geothermal system circulates a water-based fluid through a buried loop system to take advantage of these consistent temperatures.
GEOTHERMAL HEAT CYCLE
During the heating process, fluid in the loop absorbs heat from the earth. It is transferred to the unit located in the home. The geothermal system distributes the warm, comfortable air by either a conventional duct system or radiant heat system.
----------
The heat exchange is with the earth, nitwit!! If you have a pond on your property, the 'pond loop' system can be used, but is less efficient, as surface water temp. changes quickly.
Geothermal systems NEVER uses aquifiers, due to possible pollution from the anti freeze or other chemicals in the geothermal loop.
You are the biggest idiot on this thread.
<quoted text>
All your Wikipedia crap refers to one type of geothermal system. Other types do circulate and reinject aquifer water, with appropriate permitting, particularly in places like Iceland and Japan where natural hot springs occur.

Even environmentally sensitive areas such as Long Island employ open loop geothermal systems.

http://pbisotopes.ess.sunysb.edu/reports/enge...

http://dspace.sunyconnect.suny.edu/bitstream/...

"Open loop geothermal systems typically include one or more supply wells and one or more diffusion, recharge, return or injection wells. In an open loop geothermal well system, groundwater is withdrawn from an aquifer through the supply well and pumped to a heat exchange device where it acts as a heat source or sink in the heating or cooling process. A typical heat exchange device is a plate heat exchanger, in which a non-contact, nonconsumptive
process takes place between the groundwater and the building’s internal circulation water. Heat is transferred between the two waters without ever physically coming into contact or mixing with one another. Once the groundwater passes through the heat
exchange device it is returned to the aquifer through a diffusion well(s). The only difference between the supply and return water is the temperature. The open loop system is one of the
more common systems found on Long Island and is utilized in both large and small scale applications."

“Gloria Ad Caput Venire”

Since: Jan 08

Location hidden

#858360 Feb 12, 2013
Homer 2016 wrote:
In honor of Ted Nugent attending tonight's event, Homer may just crank up Stranglehold, set off some fireworks and toss back a Pabst or two.
Wouldn't it be something if he got up to speak on the real state of the union? LOL
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#858361 Feb 12, 2013
flack wrote:
<quoted text> No one would ever know because it is buried so far down. The only way you would know is if the pump stopped working due to no fluid.
You would know when a neighbor's well showed contamination.
Nj raider 1

United States

#858362 Feb 12, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>
You just exposed your black racist heart to us and you appear smugly happy with yourself as a consequence.
Enough said.
please do explain how that makes me racist. I can name areas where white people are more talented than black people. The statistics are there. You run down sport by sport & give me your best in each sport.
RUSH10ME

Gloucester, VA

#858363 Feb 12, 2013
Nj raider 1 wrote:
<quoted text> And what evidence do you have to refute that statement? I can think of a plethora of reasons that would damn near make that fact! Music, sports, entertainment, comedy, acting thats a toss up, but you get the point. I'm not being ignorant, if you can name some irrefutable names to make that statement a lie I'm open.
Why don't you mosey on down to the nearest ,MLK BLVD and find some talent .
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#858364 Feb 12, 2013
RealDave wrote:
<quoted text>
The antifreeze fluid for these applications is completely biodegradable & not toxic.
My installer offered to drink it.
Now what?
Provide the chemical formula and we can check it out.

Offers of silly demonstrations prove nothing and are usually the tools of a scam artist.
No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#858365 Feb 12, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
“The Sunshine State is a paradise of scandals teeming with drifters, deadbeats, and misfits drawn here by some dark primordial calling like demented trout. And you’d be surprised how many of them decide to run for public office.”
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/02...
It's liberals who should be banned and forbidden from owning guns. YOU people kill people. Whether it's on the streets, with drones or in an abortion clinic, blacks are killing themselves at an unprecedented rate.

Mass killings by Democrats or Chicago ghetto style killings from your "culture of violence" are not by someone clinging to their guns and religion or angry white men.

Why is it that none of the disturbed and hate-filled liberals, who take or steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in schools, has never been identified as a conservative, independent or a NRA member?

Chris Jordan Dorner ~~~ Registered Democrat, Deranged Obama Supporter, Ex-Cop, Ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, Cold Blooded Killer

Ft. Hood~~~ Nidal Malik Hasan Registered Democrat ~ Muslim

Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris' parents were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater ~~~ James Holmes Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; liberal

Connecticut School Shooter ~~~ Adam Lanza Registered Democrat; hated Christians; nuculur liberal

Gabrielle Giffords ~~~ Jared Loughner Registered Pelosi fun loving extremist; deranged Democrat

George Zimmerman ~~~ Another deranged gun toting Democrat

Common thread - all of these idiots are Democrats.
carol

Orlando, FL

#858366 Feb 12, 2013
positronium wrote:
<quoted text>I wonder what a diet of it would do. Maybe keep me from freezing to death and allowing suspended animation. Hibernation is such a bore for a woodchuck like me. LOL
I'm confident it's not all that thrilling for the other woodchucks either.
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#858367 Feb 12, 2013
showing the direction the wind is blowing....

The National Rifle Association distanced itself Tuesday from a comment made by a lobbyist for one of its “chartered organizations” in Wisconsin, who said recently that gun rights proponents need only to wait out the “Connecticut Effect” before passing laws loosening restrictions on guns.

Earlier in the day, the line drew the ire of Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), who called on NRA leadership to “repudiate and reject” it. In an email to TPM, the NRA didn’t do that, but it did say its organization had nothing to do with the lobbyist who made the comment.

“Bob Welch is neither a staff lobbyist nor a contract lobbyist for the National Rifle Association,” the NRA said in an email.“He does not speak for the NRA.”

Welch’s comment was first reported by ThinkProgress, which described him as a “lobbyist” who “represents the Wisconsin NRA group.” Blumenthal picked up that description in his comments Tuesday.

While it’s not clear whether Welch, a former Wisconsin state legislator, has ever been paid by the NRA to lobby the state legislature in Wisconsin, it is clear that he and the group he represents has claimed to speak for the NRA in the past.

Welch is a registered lobbyist for Wi-FORCE (Wisconsin Firearm Owners, Ranges, Clubs & Educators, Inc.). The Wi-FORCE website is emblazoned with the words “An NRA Chartered State Association” as well as a newsfeed from the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action, the group’s lobbying arm.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/co...
carol

Orlando, FL

#858368 Feb 12, 2013
LOL oh, titter, titter! I just love a good spat with strangers over stuff I know nothing about.

Since: Nov 09

Pharr, TX

#858369 Feb 12, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
<quoted text>
You can hang the VACANT sign out on your forehead now.
Now just listen for a minute before you get excited Shinningshitforbrains. Go back over your posts and you'll see that they all reflect a distinct pattern of fear and loathing, obvious paranoia and anger management issues. Before you can get better you first must confront your fears. All this mental anguish is limiting your ability to carry on a civil conversation. Get some help, or at least some medication.
sonicfilter

Fishers, IN

#858370 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprize wrote:
<quoted text>It's liberals who should be banned and forbidden from owning guns. YOU people kill people. Whether it's on the streets, with drones or in an abortion clinic, blacks are killing themselves at an unprecedented rate.
Mass killings by Democrats or Chicago ghetto style killings from your "culture of violence" are not by someone clinging to their guns and religion or angry white men.
Why is it that none of the disturbed and hate-filled liberals, who take or steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in schools, has never been identified as a conservative, independent or a NRA member?
Chris Jordan Dorner ~~~ Registered Democrat, Deranged Obama Supporter, Ex-Cop, Ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, Cold Blooded Killer
Ft. Hood~~~ Nidal Malik Hasan Registered Democrat ~ Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris' parents were registered Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ James Holmes Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; liberal
Connecticut School Shooter ~~~ Adam Lanza Registered Democrat; hated Christians; nuculur liberal
Gabrielle Giffords ~~~ Jared Loughner Registered Pelosi fun loving extremist; deranged Democrat
George Zimmerman ~~~ Another deranged gun toting Democrat
Common thread - all of these idiots are Democrats.
the right wing chain email again.

debunked. big time.

Since: Nov 09

Pharr, TX

#858371 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprize wrote:
<quoted text>It's liberals who should be banned and forbidden from owning guns. YOU people kill people. Whether it's on the streets, with drones or in an abortion clinic, blacks are killing themselves at an unprecedented rate.
Mass killings by Democrats or Chicago ghetto style killings from your "culture of violence" are not by someone clinging to their guns and religion or angry white men.
Why is it that none of the disturbed and hate-filled liberals, who take or steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in schools, has never been identified as a conservative, independent or a NRA member?
Chris Jordan Dorner ~~~ Registered Democrat, Deranged Obama Supporter, Ex-Cop, Ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, Cold Blooded Killer
Ft. Hood~~~ Nidal Malik Hasan Registered Democrat ~ Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris' parents were registered Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ James Holmes Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; liberal
Connecticut School Shooter ~~~ Adam Lanza Registered Democrat; hated Christians; nuculur liberal
Gabrielle Giffords ~~~ Jared Loughner Registered Pelosi fun loving extremist; deranged Democrat
George Zimmerman ~~~ Another deranged gun toting Democrat
Common thread - all of these idiots are Democrats.
Looks like we can add perseveration psychosis to the list of waxturds mental health problems.
OURC

Lebanon, OR

#858372 Feb 12, 2013
All you who voted for Obama. LIVE WITH IT,you got what you wanted (Nakita and old Joe) would be proud
carol

Orlando, FL

#858373 Feb 12, 2013
No Surprize wrote:
<quoted text>It's liberals who should be banned and forbidden from owning guns. YOU people kill people. Whether it's on the streets, with drones or in an abortion clinic, blacks are killing themselves at an unprecedented rate.
Mass killings by Democrats or Chicago ghetto style killings from your "culture of violence" are not by someone clinging to their guns and religion or angry white men.
Why is it that none of the disturbed and hate-filled liberals, who take or steal guns, then go and kill movie-goers and children in schools, has never been identified as a conservative, independent or a NRA member?
Chris Jordan Dorner ~~~ Registered Democrat, Deranged Obama Supporter, Ex-Cop, Ex-Naval Intelligence Officer, Cold Blooded Killer
Ft. Hood~~~ Nidal Malik Hasan Registered Democrat ~ Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families Dylan Klebold's and Eric Harris' parents were registered Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~ Registered Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ James Holmes Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; liberal
Connecticut School Shooter ~~~ Adam Lanza Registered Democrat; hated Christians; nuculur liberal
Gabrielle Giffords ~~~ Jared Loughner Registered Pelosi fun loving extremist; deranged Democrat
George Zimmerman ~~~ Another deranged gun toting Democrat
Common thread - all of these idiots are Democrats.
Oh, baby! We're just gettin' started. In case you haven't noticed nobody much cares about the well-being of the elderly, particularly the sort of trash you come from. You'll just have to look out for yourself. Don't forget the orthopedic shoes when you strap on your six-gun you old cowgirl you.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#858374 Feb 12, 2013
Nuculur option wrote:
This is further proof of your lies and ignorance,Dweeb.
Geothermal heating systems have no need for water, you nitwit!! They cannot, by law, tap into an aquifier.
You stupid enough to believe there are aquifiers everywhete??
You're a stupid person. Even a cursory look would have better informed you.
And you claim to be a geologist!! I saw your earlier post where you said too many geothermal systems would heat the earth too much!!
ROFLMAO
That's like saying too many air conditioners in a neighborhood would raise the ambient temperature for the neighborhood!! Pure stupidity!!
----------
""HOW A GEOTHERMAL SYSTEM WORKS
Throughout the year, outdoor temperatures fluctuate with the changing seasons. However, about four to six feet below the Earth's surface, Wisconsin temperatures remain relatively moderate and consistent all year (about 50 degrees F, in WI). This is because the Earth absorbs 47% of all heat and energy from the sun that reaches the surface. A geothermal system circulates a water-based fluid through a buried loop system to take advantage of these consistent temperatures.
GEOTHERMAL HEAT CYCLE
During the heating process, fluid in the loop absorbs heat from the earth. It is transferred to the unit located in the home. The geothermal system distributes the warm, comfortable air by either a conventional duct system or radiant heat system.
----------
The heat exchange is with the earth, nitwit!! If you have a pond on your property, the 'pond loop' system can be used, but is less efficient, as surface water temp. changes quickly.
Geothermal systems NEVER uses aquifiers, due to possible pollution from the anti freeze or other chemicals in the geothermal loop.
You are the biggest idiot on this thread.
<quoted text>
You are a f*cking ignorant idiot.
Firstly, geothermal heating is easy. Geothermal cooling is very difficult.
If you jsut turn the electricity on in a building, the current consumption will heat the building. That is why it is necessary to cool large buildings in the winter, idiot. The electrical power consumed turns into heat energy.
It works like this.
The building is a heat source.
The Earth is a heat sink.
Heat is transferred from the source to the sink.
The temperature of the sink rises, eventually to be in equilibrium with the building. The combination of the source and sink are a closed system.
To maintain the effectiveness of the heat sink, the heat transferred from the building to the sink has to be removed, or there will eventually be an equilibrium state where heat removed will equal heat given back to the building.
To dissipate the heat, mass flow is used.
Mass flow comes from an aquifer, within which water travels down-dip, and takes the heat with it. The heat from the building being carried by the water in the aquifer dissipates through conduction to the surface.
There is a finite distance of travel for the aquifer to dissipate a specific amount of heat from the building.
If another building is placed down-dip, the aquifer carrying the heat from the first building will cause the temperature beneath the second building to be higher than beneath the first building, thus reducing the efficiency of the geothermal cooling system.
Each successive building down-dip will be successively less efficient.

Geothermal heating:
Drill a hole deep enough to reach the tmperature desired. Pump water through that zone, then circulate it through the building.

In something like a high-rise office building, the energy consumption is so great, even during winter the building needs to be cooled when peak daytime operation conditions are reached and maintained throughout the day/night.
John Galt

Temecula, CA

#858375 Feb 12, 2013
Realtime wrote:
Lotsa shooting going on in the Big Bear area of CA. Unconfirmed reports indicate that Chris Dorner and one John Galt of nearby Temecula are exchanging gunfire from an old burgundy colored Honda sedan with expired Pennsylvania license plate and Bad Boy stickers on the rear windows.
Cops MAY have Dorner trapped in a cabin in Big Bear.

All local TV stations are on the scene.
No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#858376 Feb 12, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
<quoted text>
the right wing chain email again.
debunked. big time.
You can ban drones, guns, box cutters, knifes, swords, sticks or stones. You won't disarm a deranged liberal.

“Constitutionalis t”

Since: Dec 10

Spring, TX

#858377 Feb 12, 2013
RealDave wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you were this great intelligent geologist.
But hey, it turns out you must be the pretend geologist that doesn't now sh*t.
Ground loops exchange heat through contact with the earth. No water required.
In vertical systems, the size of the system generally sets how much "hole" is required. Some say 150 feet per ton, some say 175.
So, my 5 ton unit has 750' total or two hols at 375'.
Aquifers or not.
The holes are drilled, the loops installed & then grouted with specially formulated grout to enhance the heat transfer.
My God, does your employer know how GD dumb you are??? No wonder I have to subsidize your paycheck.
Flack runs a "pump & dump" ( I refer not to pump anything back into the aquifer. My water is too hard & would damage the exchange equipment)
Flack mentioned horizontal which is fine as long as it is deep enough.
You can use a pond if its big & deep enough.
You can use a standing column where you utilize a 600 foot hole where you take from the bottom & return to the top.
None of these depend on aquifers to function.
... goddam idiots.
Ok, dufus, please tell us after you transfer the heat from the building to the earth below the building, how the f**k do you remove the heat from there?
Do you think it's removed by the water flowing through the goddam aquifer?
If the heat isn't removed from below the building where you put it, do you think that heat will just be transferred right back into the building.
... goddam idiots.
I'll bet you thin kyou can cool a room by opening the refridgerator door.
No Surprize

Seminole, FL

#858378 Feb 12, 2013
carol wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, baby! We're just gettin' started. In case you haven't noticed nobody much cares about the well-being of the elderly, particularly the sort of trash you come from. You'll just have to look out for yourself. Don't forget the orthopedic shoes when you strap on your six-gun you old cowgirl you.
Gun laws will never make an insane, deranged liberal sane.

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