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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#82452 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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How does it feel to be this clueless. Have you ever flown in a jet ... in a combat zone!!! The USS Liberty was in Egyptian waters, it was the typical color of a combat ship. medium grey. Commercial ships would be painted white with some red, blue, green thrown in.
Do you know why military ships are painted a flat medium grey and commercial ships are painted with bright colors? Commercial ships WANT to be scene whereas military ships do not.
Next, two IAF jets made a high speed recon of the "grey ship". Now, if you even suspect it is an enemy ship, especially a ARMED warship, you will not make a close-in, low-speed pass as they just might shoot you azz out of the sky.
Soo, the USS Liberty was MISS identified as an Egyptian destroyer and .... attacked. In actuality the USS Liberty was only lightly damaged. Oh, they why did only 34 get killed? Well, if the IAF wanted to sink it, they would have and most would have been killed.
During WII we had similar sized ships cut in half in an attack .... by prop planes .... travelling at one third the speed .... with weapon loads one third of a modern jet fighter plane.
During the 1973 we had a SR-71 over fly both Egypt and Israel and both countries shot SAMs at it. Now, if you are flying a mach 3 jet at 80,000 feet and they shoot a mach 4 missile ... you have time to out run or maneuver the missile. Why did the Israelis shoot at OUR SR-71? It was their airspace, we did not tell them we were flying over and .... the plane came from Egyptian air space ... during time of war.
Are you using Wojo's Logic?
1) the Liberty was in international waters
2) it was flying American flag
3) the numbers were clearly visible
4) Israel screwed up
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#82453 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Our teacher's union have ruined the public school systems. And also tenure at colleges and universities. Private school cost 25% less and the students get a better education.
Colleges and universities should go the same route as medical doctors. Have a private practice, rent out space on campus, and get your own students!!! No tenure!!! If you are a good professor your reputation will get out and the students will line up at your door. Be a jerk, and they won't!
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And what would you do to improve education in America? Pay teachers more? Or get the best teachers you can at a reasonable cost.
Private school teachers on the average make 25% less than government teachers .... and they do a better job!!! And if they screw up they are not put in a rubber room, like they do in NYC, they fire them!
Now you would have us believe that you are an expert on education. That's a stretch for a guy who never taught school or attended college. What in your background provides you with any knowledge of the public school system????

I replied with about 10 points concerning the public school system, which you ignored. If you really wanted to discuss the issue you would have responded. All you want to do is run you dumb mouth on something you know very little about.

Here's a hint....

Class sizes in private schools are much less than those in public schools.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#82454 Jun 3, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
OBAMA SPENDING HELPS ECONOMY IN KENYA!
Flow of U.S. taxpayer dollars to land of his father surging
As Americans tightened their belts to pay federal taxes on time, the Obama administration is exploring what appears to be every way possible to use U.S. taxpayer dollars to stimulate the economy in Kenya.
According to U.S. Trade & Aid Monitor, the White House has increased the flow of U.S. taxpayer dollars to Kenya.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/04/obama-spending-hel...
Fool. &#321; ND.com sucker.

Aid to Kenya, the WND article says, went from GWB days in 2008 $680 million to $710 million today in 2012.(Seems high for just one country, but anyhow...). That is a 5% increase for 4 years, or 1.25% increase per year. Is that a lot? Also, the beef industry is one of the key agriculture pluses of Kenya, but not having a clue about Africa, you are of course ignorant of that fact. Indeed, and because of its temperate climate in most areas, Kenya has no tse tse flies, therefore has good meat which can even be eaten medium-rare, exceptional in tropical countries. Exports of that meat USED to be Kenya's main export. To revive it is a good idea, as instead of giving food aid , USaid is wisely helping them to raise healthy cattle. Another thing, Just Sayin', is Kenya the only country to receive US aid funds?
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#82455 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Ah Chowder Head, Zimmerman's bond hearing was on April 20th but his the web site for him hit the news eleven days earlier, April 9th. This was VERY PUBLICLY KNOWN. For the the prosecutor to say she was not aware of it is asinine.
Next did the funds go to Zimmerman and his family? Before April 20th did he or his family receive any of this money? Zimmerman has proven NOT to be either a flight risk or a threat to others. Even before he was arrested he keep the Sanford PD informed of his location and when he was informed of the arrest warrant, he turned himself immediately.
This is a STUNT put on by the prosecutor, and nothing more.
Somehow Zimmerman got his hands on $50,000 of the web money.

Zimmerman tells the court he has no money. This is a lie.

Zimmerman turns in his passport (which he said he lost). This is the second lie.

This is a case of Zimmerman being held responsible for his lies. Hummm...the judge saw thru his lies and ordered him back to jail.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#82456 Jun 3, 2012
The USS Liberty incident was an attack on a United States Navy technical research ship, USS Liberty, by Israeli Air Force jet fighter aircraft and Israeli Navy torpedo boats, on June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War. The combined air and sea attack killed 34 crew members (naval officers, seamen, two Marines, and one civilian), wounded 170 crew members, and severely damaged the ship. At the time, the ship was in international waters north of the Sinai Peninsula, about 25.5 nmi (29.3 mi; 47.2 km) northwest from the Egyptian city of Arish.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#82457 Jun 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Sorry, Birfoon, Poppo asked for a motive for Ann to embark on the joyride to Kenya "with child" rather than to wait until after the birth and travel with infant as a sane person would.
Birfoon: "Why would that be a problem?
Why aren't you taking your meds?
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Yes, wojar, but you know, you cannot reason haters. Guy is a hater. As a matter of fact, let's again look at situation. Here is an American mother-to-be, she is in the United State of America, 9 months pregnant and according to birfoon birthers, EMBARKS ON AN EXTRA-LONG FLIGHT TO GIVE BIRTH IN NOT-TOO-ADVANCED BIRTHING CLINIC colony which is not even a country yet and where reigns Mau Mau violence. Why would she not want to give birth in her own peaceful country? What will these Obama-haters concoct next?
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#82458 Jun 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
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Rouge thinks he's so clever when he plagiarizes a joke about a hick from Alabama (or was it Georgia?).
Kentucky - all the stupidest hicks are from Kentucky
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#82459 Jun 3, 2012
Johannes wrote:
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1) the Liberty was in international waters
2) it was flying American flag
3) the numbers were clearly visible
4) Israel screwed up
No, did it on purpose. Like that UN post staffed by Canadians. Clear message to US and Canada : "Keep the funds coming, but mind your own business". For Rogue and company : not anti-semite on my part, just the facts, ma'am. Both sides should be ORDERED to stop fighting immediately by the big powers with the establishment of a Palestinian state and diplomatic relations with Israel. Massive aid to be given to both Israel and Palestine, but little of it to be military. I know, I'm a dreamer, but it's fun.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#82460 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh my my.
Breastfeeding Photos Of Military Moms Were Against Regulations Says National Guard Capt.
By NICHOLAS K. GERANIOS 06/01/12
SPOKANE, Wash.-- The Washington Air National Guard says two nursing mothers were wrong to be photographed in uniform while breast-feeding their babies.
The photos were posted on the Internet by a group at Fairchild Air Force Base that supports breast-feeding mothers. The group, Mom2Mom, said the photos were meant to promote World Breast-Feeding Week in August.
"We're just showing moms can breast-feed their children in any kind of uniform," said Trysta Chavez, who co-founded the group with Crystal Scott at the base outside Spokane.
Mom2Mom has no conflict with military regulations and is not trying to change them, Chavez said.
Washington Air National Guard spokesman Capt. Keith Kosik said it's a violation of regulations to use the uniform to promote a civilian cause.
He said the two nursing mothers likely will not be disciplined for the photos but that the incident would be used as an opportunity for education.
The military has no rules specifically regarding public breast-feeding while in uniform. The real issue is that servicemembers are not allowed to use the uniform to further a civilian cause, Kosik said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/01/brea ...
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Hmmm, military regulations prohibit military personnel from being used in a commercial way while they are in uniform and both of these airmen are subject to punishment under the UCMJ. As I understand it, no one wants to push the issue.
They have been informed of the commercial use of their uniforms and they will not be able to claim ignorance of the law if they do it again.
Oh, it is not against the law for an ACTOR to wear a military uniform and be photographed for a commercial. Now, if this ACTOR continued to wear a military uniform in public, he would be violating federal law.
Now many people do wear parts of military uniforms but it is usually obvious that they are not in the military either because of the hair style or facial hair and they are not normally prosecuted.
Rouge: "Hmmm, military regulations prohibit military personnel from being used in a commercial way while they are in uniform and both of these airmen are subject to punishment under the UCMJ. As I understand it, no one wants to push the issue.
They have been informed of the commercial use of their uniforms and they will not be able to claim ignorance of the law if they do it again."

Sorry, Rouge, but "commercial" means advertising for commercial products, not public service. "For example, you may not appear in uniform in a television commercial to advertise for a local business such as a used car company." "Similarly, you may not allow a business to advertise using your name and rank. For example, a business may not advertise in a local newspaper that "SP4 Jones says he was very pleased with our company's product:'"[1]

Last time I checked, breastfeeding is not a commercial product, and nursing mothers are not used car companies.

__________
[1] Legal Guide for Soldiers, Field Manual 27-14 (1991).
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#82461 Jun 3, 2012
Johannes wrote:
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Now you would have us believe that you are an expert on education. That's a stretch for a guy who never taught school or attended college. What in your background provides you with any knowledge of the public school system????
I replied with about 10 points concerning the public school system, which you ignored. If you really wanted to discuss the issue you would have responded. All you want to do is run you dumb mouth on something you know very little about.
Here's a hint....
Class sizes in private schools are much less than those in public schools.
Very simple also, pvt schools don't have to access the poor underprivileged, the have-nots and, often, special needs. Now, that raises the average as realted to pvt schools, no? And the teachers in pvt schools may be paid slightly less, if at all true, but that is also because they don't have to deal with undisciplined kids, bullying, smoking, drugs and what-not. Rich privileged kids usually don't come from that "milieu" and so are not so apt as to misbehave. Question of environment onr id reared in, just so Rogue knows. He is the most simplistic person I have ever encountered. Well, I take that back, as I've had occasion to find out about his birther and tea partyer ilk here on Topix. What an eye-opener, thought people like that were extinct. Nope.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#82462 Jun 3, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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... What will these Obama-haters concoct next?
Place your bets!(My money is on "Obama was adopted from a Chinese orphanage")

Because if Birfoons have proven anything (and actually this is the ONLY thing they've proven) it is that they will cling to any fable as long as it fits their fantasy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#82463 Jun 3, 2012
Hmmm, I guess Obama forgot that Bill is a Southern Blue Dog liberal and not a Progressive. And he is also Hillary's husband and deep down they believe that Hillary can do a better job that Obama.

Clinton: A Thorn In Obama's Side?
By National Journal Staff | National Journal
One way of looking at an ex-president's role on the national stage is that he, free of the shackles of the White House, can say and do things that buttress his successor's policies. Another way of looking at it, in the case of Bill Clinton, is that what he says and does makes President Obama look weak by comparison.

The latest example comes as Clinton heads to Wisconsin to put his arm around the struggling Democratic candidate for governor, Tom Barrett. In contrast, the White House has been criticized for not going to the mat for Barrett and his liberal allies in the high-stakes election; in fact, Press Secretary Jay Carney the other day had to clarify that yes, in fact, the president does support the Milwaukee mayor.
http://news.yahoo.com/clinton-thorn-obamas-si...
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#82464 Jun 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Rouge: "Hmmm, military regulations prohibit military personnel from being used in a commercial way while they are in uniform and both of these airmen are subject to punishment under the UCMJ. As I understand it, no one wants to push the issue.
They have been informed of the commercial use of their uniforms and they will not be able to claim ignorance of the law if they do it again."
Sorry, Rouge, but "commercial" means advertising for commercial products, not public service. "For example, you may not appear in uniform in a television commercial to advertise for a local business such as a used car company." "Similarly, you may not allow a business to advertise using your name and rank. For example, a business may not advertise in a local newspaper that "SP4 Jones says he was very pleased with our company's product:'"[1]
Last time I checked, breastfeeding is not a commercial product, and nursing mothers are not used car companies.
__________
[1] Legal Guide for Soldiers, Field Manual 27-14 (1991).
Prediction : Rogue will tell you that you are anti-military. And while he's at it, anti-Israel and anti-Bush. And a flaming bigot.
Just Sayin

Toledo, OH

#82465 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Ah Chowder Head, Zimmerman's bond hearing was on April 20th but his the web site for him hit the news eleven days earlier, April 9th. This was VERY PUBLICLY KNOWN. For the the prosecutor to say she was not aware of it is asinine.
Next did the funds go to Zimmerman and his family? Before April 20th did he or his family receive any of this money? Zimmerman has proven NOT to be either a flight risk or a threat to others. Even before he was arrested he keep the Sanford PD informed of his location and when he was informed of the arrest warrant, he turned himself immediately.
This is a STUNT put on by the prosecutor, and nothing more.
This is just another ploy by the lame stream media to keep this story in the public eye. The subject was dying down so they had to create a new story to keep the black population riled up for the election.

Remember when they wanted to make Zimmerman look like a racist by eliminating parts of the 911 call? Go figure. Obama's poll numbers are down.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#82466 Jun 3, 2012
Just Sayin wrote:
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This is just another ploy by the lame stream media to keep this story in the public eye. The subject was dying down so they had to create a new story to keep the black population riled up for the election.
Remember when they wanted to make Zimmerman look like a racist by eliminating parts of the 911 call? Go figure. Obama's poll numbers are down.
your obsession is showing (again)
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#82467 Jun 3, 2012
speaking of moronic republican faux-con obsessions - isn't it about time for Puff Windbaugh to go on another of his "why don't blacks vote republican? "We" would be much better for themn in the long run than Dems. The fact that blacks don't vote republican just proves they aren't smart enough to understand this... " rants?

Gee Puff - I can't imagine why black people have never found that pitch enticing ...(and still morons like Watermellon Burton ask me why I am no longer willing to be listed as a Republican ...)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#82468 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
American Lady wrote:
blah blah and plagiarized blah.
<quoted text>
Yes, she should have given credit to Bob Dylan but she did NOT claim it was her words and therefore not plagiarism.
From Wiki: "and the representation of them as one's own original work,"
Yes, she "should have" credited Bob Dylan.
Sorry Rouge she posted someone else's words under her name without attribution. That's plagiarism. You should know, you do it all the time.

If your alleged comments are not yours, then it's plagiarism.

And with birfoons, it's also serial spamming.
LynessaV

Hammonton, NJ

#82469 Jun 3, 2012
Let's focus on jobs. Obama will lose the election on that alone. Not on some birther issue. Wake up Obama loyalists. Wake up Romney supporters who choose to focus on trivia. Focus in what is fact and can be proven. Nobody can prove or disprove the birth certificate. It's senseless to think that people will change their vote on that issue.
Romney and Ron Pal aren't bringing up te Birther issue.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#82470 Jun 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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And what would you do to improve education in America? Pay teachers more? Or get the best teachers you can at a reasonable cost.
Private school teachers on the average make 25% less than government teachers .... and they do a better job!!! And if they screw up they are not put in a rubber room, like they do in NYC, they fire them!
Private school teachers teach children at PRIVATE schools with the tuition paid for by PARENTS WHO ARE FULLY ENGAGED with their children's education. If a kid acts like a snot, he's kicked out, but expulsion from public schools requires serious offenses. Many private schools have entrance examinations and weak students are not allowed. Rouge is comparing apples to oranges again.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#82471 Jun 3, 2012
LynessaV wrote:
Let's focus on jobs. Obama will lose the election on that alone. Not on some birther issue. Wake up Obama loyalists. Wake up Romney supporters who choose to focus on trivia. Focus in what is fact and can be proven. Nobody can prove or disprove the birth certificate. It's senseless to think that people will change their vote on that issue.
Romney and Ron Pal aren't bringing up te Birther issue.
To borrow a phrase .. "it IS the economy, stupid" ...

This is the main reason McCain lost in a landslide (and when you add in his comical choice for VEEP ...). This is the main reason Obama is in serious trouble. This is the main reason most Senators and Reps should not feel secure in their re-election ...

Birfoonism will have NO efect on the outclome of any election outside of AzzWhipe.(and sadly, mpost of the people there are stupid enough that the $$ wasted on this fantasy probably won't affect any of their elections either)

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