Some Minn. Lawmakers Face Gay Marriage Conflict

Nov 14, 2012 Read more: EDGE 164

ST. PAUL, Minn. - More valuable than any poll, Minnesota lawmakers got a strong pulse of their constituents this week on gay marriage through district-by-district, town-by-town results of a vote that rejected a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage.

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“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#145 Nov 19, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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easy, so you can have the rights you whine daily that you don't get...unless thats not what you are really interested in obtaining...
Pssst!! Jane!! We're GETTING our rights recognized more and more every day WITHOUT taking ANYTHING away from ANYONE.

What you're suggesting WOULD take something very important away from a large number of couples that simply should not be asked to give it up.

WHY should they be asked give up the term marriage so that gay couples can be treated equally? Just keep the term marriage and treat gay couples the same.

How easy is that?

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#146 Nov 19, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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So NO COMPROMISE, ALL OR NOTHING, and on and on we will go FOREVER...just like with abortion...
I LOVE this little fallacy. Since when is abortion the same as marriage equality??

Reasonable people can come to wildly different conclusions about when "life" actually begins and at what point an abortion crosses the line between an elective procedure and doing real harm that someone should be protected from. Some people say when sperm meets egg. Some people say at viable live birth. And there are differing opinions at every stage throughout. All of them defensible and arguable.

But no such reasonable arguments can be made when it comes to marriage equality. There is NO point where one can argue marriage equality causes harm to anyone or anything. Never. Ever.

So while I agree with you that the abortion issue will likely simmer on forever, the marriage equality issue as a controversy will die a slow but timely death as soon as it gets adopted everywhere.

I was just at a gathering last weekend where several Canadians were in attendance. Some of the people there wanted to know every little detail about the wedding my husband and I had last September. Finally, one of the ladies from Canada said, "This is so strange that everyone's so fascinated by a gay wedding! We've had them so long in Canada now that no one thinks anything about them anymore."

As it should be.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#147 Nov 19, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
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death?
talk about hyperbole!
"Gay rights activist David Kato was murdered in Uganda in January 2011 shortly after a local newspaper published images of him and other gay people under a headline urging readers to ‘hang them.’

Uganda will officially pass the ‘Kill The Gays’ bill at the end of this year despite international criticism.

Speaker Rebecca Kadaga said the anti-gay bill will become law by December. Referring to the law as a ‘Christmas gift’ to the population.

The law will broaden the criminalization of same-sex relationships by dividing homosexuality into two categories; aggravated homosexuality and the offense of homosexuality.

‘Aggravated homosexuality’(which includes) "repeat offenders". If convicted, they will face the death penalty." http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/uganda-off...

Prejudice and discrimination result in needless suffering and death.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#148 Nov 19, 2012
Poor Jane Dough, she can't even get the gays to go along with her cockamamie idea, much less the hetero super-duper majority she'd need to actually pass it.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#149 Nov 19, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Poor Jane Dough, she can't even get the gays to go along with her cockamamie idea, much less the hetero super-duper majority she'd need to actually pass it.
As you point out, if it had any grounding in reality, we would have seen it at least proposed if not passed by now. Instead, what we have seen is that most who are opposed to marriage equality, won't even accept "civil union" arrangements that don't even attempt to offer all of the legal rights and protections that accompany marriage. Many of the constitutional amendments passed make that clear. It seems it is just an attempt to find rationalizations for her prejudice, by blaming us for not accepting it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#150 Nov 19, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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As you point out, if it had any grounding in reality, we would have seen it at least proposed if not passed by now. Instead, what we have seen is that most who are opposed to marriage equality, won't even accept "civil union" arrangements that don't even attempt to offer all of the legal rights and protections that accompany marriage. Many of the constitutional amendments passed make that clear. It seems it is just an attempt to find rationalizations for her prejudice, by blaming us for not accepting it.
Yep, it's somehow OUR fault that the 90% majority hasn't passed her "civil partnerships" law. I forgot how powerful we are.

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#151 Nov 19, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
<quoted text>
easy, so you can have the rights you whine daily that you don't get...unless thats not what you are really interested in obtaining...
snarky

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#152 Nov 20, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>snarky
Insinuating.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#153 Nov 20, 2012
Once again Jane Dough ran away because she couldn't come up with any answers.

Maybe she's lobbying all the heterosexuals to vote for her "civil partnerships" plan......

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#154 Nov 20, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Once again Jane Dough ran away because she couldn't come up with any answers.
Maybe she's lobbying all the heterosexuals to vote for her "civil partnerships" plan......
I'm hoping she finally accepted the fact her proposal accommodates, perpetuates, and promotes an irrational prejudice that inevitably results in needless suffering and death.

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#155 Nov 20, 2012
Jane Dough wrote:
So tell me again how having all legal relationships be partnerships is any kind of prejudice?
Simple. It's not a realistic solution. It is an attempt to divert attention.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#156 Nov 20, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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I'm hoping she finally accepted the fact her proposal accommodates, perpetuates, and promotes an irrational prejudice that inevitably results in needless suffering and death.
Oh, no. That couldn't possibly be the case. Even if she figured that out, she'd never admit it.

Since: Jun 11

AOL

#157 Nov 20, 2012
eJohn wrote:
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Oh, no. That couldn't possibly be the case. Even if she figured that out, she'd never admit it.
Hope springs eternal...

"The greatest friend of Truth is time, her greatest enemy is Prejudice." Charles Caleb Colton

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#158 Nov 20, 2012
Not Yet Equal wrote:
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Hope springs eternal...
"The greatest friend of Truth is time, her greatest enemy is Prejudice." Charles Caleb Colton
"All you need in life to REALLY be happy is a COLD beer and a WARM cat." Frederick W. Hanover

:)

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#159 Nov 20, 2012
snyper wrote:
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Insinuating.
I stand corrected. You're right.

sneaky and snarky

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#160 Nov 20, 2012
WeTheSheeple wrote:
Poor Jane Dough, she can't even get the gays to go along with her cockamamie idea, much less the hetero super-duper majority she'd need to actually pass it.
John Lennon - Instant Karma-Offical Video-HQ

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#161 Nov 21, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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"All you need in life to REALLY be happy is a COLD beer and a WARM cat." Frederick W. Hanover
:)
"Killing Turkeys Causes Winter" - I have no idea who the genius was

but, it seems, there's a prize in the package.

http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_daily/2003...

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#162 Nov 21, 2012
snyper wrote:
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"Killing Turkeys Causes Winter" - I have no idea who the genius was
but, it seems, there's a prize in the package.
http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/tcs_daily/2003...
And roosters cause the sun to rise.

(Just as washing my car causes it to rain. In New York, anyways. Not out here in the desert.)

“Together for 24, legal for 5”

Since: Sep 07

Littleton, NH

#163 Nov 21, 2012
Fa-Foxy wrote:
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And roosters cause the sun to rise.
(Just as washing my car causes it to rain. In New York, anyways. Not out here in the desert.)
But it does cause haboobs.

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#164 Nov 21, 2012
nhjeff wrote:
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But it does cause haboobs.
I haven't seen any haboobs yet, but I know they occur frequently in Phoenix because they're on the local news here whenever they occur.

I'm about 50 miles southeast of Phoenix, and about 65 miles northwest of Tucson, and there doesn't seem to be any history of adverse weather here at all. We're had less than a total of 5" of rain all year, and although I've seen a couple of dust devils south of the city, weather-wise there doesn't seem to be much of anything that goes on here at all. There are cotton fields and open fields north, south, and west of me here (It's cotton country here I found out much to my surprise). It's 73 degrees here right now and it's sposed to be in the 80's most of the week here.

Certainly a lot nicer than the 5' of snow, and -15 F. weather I experienced the last year I was in New York. AND parts of New York are STILL without power because of Superstorm Sandy, and my mother had to evacuate New York because of it as she lost all utilities during the storm.

Here in southern Arizona, it just seems to be an abundence of sunshine, WARM weather, and COLD beer.

:)

Unfortunately, my car broke down yesterday, and the fix-it man says he won't have it fixed til soemtime on Friday, so I'm stuck out here alone in the desert for a few days.

:(

(Which is EXACTLY WHY GOD invnted COLD beer and WARM cats !:)).

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