DEA allows 90-day supply of painkillers

The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration has proposed a rule to allow patients on painkillers to get 90-day supplies of the drugs.

[pamela e]

Having been a chronic pain patient for l5 years, I find it absolutely terrible the way most patients are being treated with this problem. Can not always get a hold of your doctor or messages do not get to him and your pain med can not be ordered. We also can never travel for any length of time because heaven forbid that we get more than a 30 day supply of pain med even though some months are 31 days. When will the medical community wake up and realize chronic pain patients do not abuse their meds and for God's sake above we Chronic Lyme disease sufferers need more than a 28 day supply of IV meds for Two types of Borrella and Babesia. Study the disease and allow or I should say demand long term studies so that we do not have to pay $4,000.00 a month to feel normal. Ins. and HMO's are shuting down honest Lyme Litterate doctors. Took 15 years to discover I have three diseases from one tick that I took to BAMC in l989 and they told me at that time that Lyme Disease did not exist in Texas. [e-mail] Doubt that you will respond, but some day some one will and then we people that have spent needless time in wheelchairs and using O2 because we were not being treated for our disease will thank those that have gone out on a ledge. After starting on IV therapy I was able to walk, think straight, and stop daily O2. When Tricare stopped my IV therapy it was back to square one. So much of my husbands retirement check goes to pay for my meds.

[Jerry Garcia]

The reason behind the relaxed prescription re-fills is competiton, a motter of economics. Afghanistan has a 612 TON Opium harvest this year. 30% more than demand. When the heroin starts flowing more pure and cheaper the DEA was afraid this would cut into their LEGAL DRUG TRADE through your Pharmacist.

[Eric in Tucson]

Ummm oxycontin is a semi synthetic opiod. No Opium from Afghanistan is contained in oxycontin.

Do your research guys and gals, this is not candy we are talking about.

The reason behind the 30 day limit, is that is is an agreement that Purdue (the makers of oxycontin) and the DEA came to prior to bringing oxycontin to market.

There are several other limits, such as the number of patients a doctor can have on oxycontin at any one time, as well Purdue was forced by political pressure and the rapid increase in abuse to take their 160mg pill off the market.

There are many other limits in place but, if you are going to travel, nearly every pain specialist knows how to beat the system and is quite willing if you are a legitimate "legal" user of oxycontin. They simply write your prescription for a higher dose, thus this allows you to travel.

If your insurance does not cover oxycontin, swith to Methadone. Most pharmacies charge $5-6.00 per oxycontin pill in the 80mg dosage. One can purchase Methadone, which is equally as effective with less side-effects in most people, for $20-30.00 for a one months supply.

Talk to your doctor about the economic effects that oxycontin has on your budget if your not covered by your insurance, and if you want to travel, by all means tell your doctor! If he will not play ball, go to a different one!

Do not allow yourself to become a victim of the medical system in this country. It is quite a mess, but if you learn the rules, you can play the game to your advantage.

Good luck,
E

[mike]

how do I get oxycontin or methadone> thanks.

[Mike Dizzle]

By going to your local drug dealer and inquiring about it. No right doctor is going to give OC's to you. But you could claim you are a junky and go to your local methadone clinic. Just some advice...

[Oxydazed]

mike wrote:

how do I get oxycontin or methadone> thanks.

Go to a doctor and explain your legitimate ailment. You will get best results from a pain management clinic. You might need a referral from your family doc to get into one. If your condition is serious enough, you shouldn't have any problem getting Oxycontin.

Other ways are usually illeagal. If you choose this route, I would find someone who is unable to work because of a disability, who doesn't really seem to be disabled, yet always has plenty of cash and lots of "friends" who frequently drop in to check on them, but never stay more than 5 minutes......SCORE!

Ask around. It's not so difficult to find a dealer.

Most importantly, if you do not have a medical condition that requires these medications, please, please do NOT begin taking them. Addiction is unbelieveably difficult to overcome and the road that leads to it is short and fast! I have a condition that is only relieved by taking OC. I have a prescription (300mg/day). I will probably always have to take it, and I hate that. I am dependant on this medication. It is a lifesaver for my pain, but if I run out before the time for my next refill, I feel as if I am camped just outside the gates of HELL! Moving in is the only feeling that could be worse!

Last of all, Oxycontin will take you farther than you want to go. It will keep you longer than you want to stay. It will cost you more than you want to pay! For those who choose to abuse, this is a recipe cooked up by Satan, himself!

[Starbuck]

my doc has me on (max) 6 a day 5/500 vicodin ( last 3 years), and an arthritis specialist prescribed Oxy plain 5 mg- whch I think is the smallest dose available.( I had asked for more Vicodin, but due to the Aceto limits they say no)

Everyone talks about taking multiple 40mg and 80mg, but I am afraid to even consider them for fear of addiction. I like the relief vicodin gives, but I only take the Oxy in eve, & bedtime because it doen't seem very strong in relief, just barely. And if I dont take one at bedtime I wake up with leg tingles and restless symptoms at 2 am, on and on, until I do take something.

I am concerned this is physical withdrawl symptoms? Sounds like drug dependence at least. Have only been takig them 3 months 2-4 a day, in eve.

any advice?

[jwill]

Starbuck wrote:

my doc has me on (max) 6 a day 5/500 vicodin ( last 3 years), and an arthritis specialist prescribed Oxy plain 5 mg- whch I think is the smallest dose available.( I had asked for more Vicodin, but due to the Aceto limits they say no)
Everyone talks about taking multiple 40mg and 80mg, but I am afraid to even consider them for fear of addiction. I like the relief vicodin gives, but I only take the Oxy in eve, & bedtime because it doen't seem very strong in relief, just barely. And if I dont take one at bedtime I wake up with leg tingles and restless symptoms at 2 am, on and on, until I do take something.
I am concerned this is physical withdrawl symptoms? Sounds like drug dependence at least. Have only been takig them 3 months 2-4 a day, in eve.
any advice?

first of all oxy is much stronger than vicodin. and you are not really taking that much of these opiates to consider it abuse but i guess it can be considered dependence. if you wish to cut down, then i would recommend to reduce your dosages during the day and not at night.

[Dylan]

Unfortunately, that is definitely what would be condsidered dependance. Those are the first and most mild of the withdrawal symptoms that you would begin to experience after discontinuing your use in 12-36 hours.

[Starbuck]

thanks.. this is the first real answer I have gotten. I was not sure if I was taking a lot or not, but reading here shows those who take 40s and 80 several times a day are getting that big dose of opiate.

thanks so much to both of you.

I think I foound a solution, and will psot to this lit with a new topic heading- under Help for Tapering

[kydrby4ever]

Starbuck wrote:

my doc has me on (max) 6 a day 5/500 vicodin ( last 3 years), and an arthritis specialist prescribed Oxy plain 5 mg- whch I think is the smallest dose available.( I had asked for more Vicodin, but due to the Aceto limits they say no)
Everyone talks about taking multiple 40mg and 80mg, but I am afraid to even consider them for fear of addiction. I like the relief vicodin gives, but I only take the Oxy in eve, & bedtime because it doen't seem very strong in relief, just barely. And if I dont take one at bedtime I wake up with leg tingles and restless symptoms at 2 am, on and on, until I do take something.
I am concerned this is physical withdrawl symptoms? Sounds like drug dependence at least. Have only been takig them 3 months 2-4 a day, in eve.
any advice?

in all reality the oxy and the vicodin are the same meds, the diff is the vic has tylenol... hence the dual numbers (5/500) the 1st digit is the mg of pain med the other is tylenol... oxy,percocet,roxy all same shit some have tylenol some dont but the pain mg is what counts, there all equally addictive... as you need more, the statement(its not working as good) is your dose requirement... I would lose the tylenol no matter what its hell on the body... as for pain relief, if its possible, mix it up, anti inflamatories,muscle relaxers (flexeril) even ultrams will work, if used random on a few days then off... but for an issue as minor as that I wouldnt look for full pain meds to treat it, not trying to knock your injury but some of us are dealing w/ cancer, disk herniations, and lifelong damage that keeps us homebound... if its not needed avoid it, the pain doesnt come close to the withdrawls....

[kydrby4ever]

oxy 40 is stronger than taking 8 5/500 vics at once!!! and an 80 is stronger than 16 5/500 at once... not needed for that ....there is a 25uph duragesic patch (lasts 48hrs) they say 72 hrs and itll solve all your issues in one sweep, an occasional 5mg oxy for breakthrough pain, and your set for good... but again its a highly addictive drug for an issue that can be treated carefully.. questions/or if this helped, im at [e-mail]

[tk lawson pharm tech]

DEA's policy on 90 day CII allotments. This policy subject to individual state revision, APhA's statement reminds the DEA that the 90 day dispensing does NOT include a lump sum amount of CII's. It defeats the no refill rule by issuing 3 separate Rx's on the same day. It is up to the individual practictioners policy on wheather EACH Rx has dates 30 day's apart. This is the contriversy. If not unless you go to three different RPh's and pay in cash, you may not be dispensed> #270 Ct CII's highly divertion/abuse potent Aqtiqs or Palladone Tbs.

[tk lawson pharm tech]

kydrby4ever wrote:

oxy 40 is stronger than taking 8 5/500 vics at once!!! and an 80 is stronger than 16 5/500 at once... not needed for that ....there is a 25uph duragesic patch (lasts 48hrs) they say 72 hrs and itll solve all your issues in one sweep, an occasional 5mg oxy for breakthrough pain, and your set for good... but again its a highly addictive drug for an issue that can be treated carefully.. questions/or if this helped, im at [e-mail]

If in event that you are taking >4G's of APAP/24 h, you are damaging your liver irrepairily. Instead of CII's try a extemporaneous compound of 15 mg Hydrocodone bitartrate and 60 mg of APAP PO QID or 2 Tbs TID q6h. This dosage regimen is equivilentto:120 mg hydro = >30 mg Morphine Sulfate

[Oxydazed]

kydrby4ever wrote:

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in all reality the oxy and the vicodin are the same meds, the diff is the vic has tylenol... hence the dual numbers (5/500) the 1st digit is the mg of pain med the other is tylenol... oxy,percocet,roxy all same shit some have tylenol some dont but the pain mg is what counts, there all equally addictive... as you need more, the statement(its not working as good) is your dose requirement... I would lose the tylenol no matter what its hell on the body... as for pain relief, if its possible, mix it up, anti inflamatories,muscle relaxers (flexeril) even ultrams will work, if used random on a few days then off... but for an issue as minor as that I wouldnt look for full pain meds to treat it, not trying to knock your injury but some of us are dealing w/ cancer, disk herniations, and lifelong damage that keeps us homebound... if its not needed avoid it, the pain doesnt come close to the withdrawls....

I beg to differ....Oxy and percocet are the same except for the tylenol. Hydrocodone and oxy/roxy/perc are two very different opiates, without consideration of the tylenol. I don't mean to offend, but you need to do a little more research.

[Starbuck]

from-kydrby4evr- but for an issue as minor as that I wouldnt look for full pain meds to treat it, not trying to knock your injury but some of us are dealing w/ cancer, disk herniations, and lifelong damage that keeps us homebound... if its not needed avoid it, the pain doesnt come close to the withdrawls....

Ok, i get it, my pain level is no where near some of you.. and yes, I am now off of the Vics with aceto..only Oxy plains for now

[BakaBilly]

According to every test done there is nothing wrong with me. I go from Chrons to IBS and back again. from hanging out with me from time to time youd be hard pressed to find something wrong with me if im not flareing up at the time...

However...my pain every morning and sometimes at night is so f'n bad that I need to get oxy. I dont have cancer or a herniated disc. But let me tell you just because someone doesnt have the same chronic illness and pain as you doesnt mean they dont have the same right to pain meds as you.:P

Thats why they make oxy in 10, 20, 40 and 80mg tablets. Something for everyone!

I wish to god I could get oxy...its the only thing that made me feel normal in the last 7 years.

[tk lawson pharm tech]

The Ryan Haight Presciption Protection Act of 2007 (Sessions)+(Feinstein) Federally sanctions internet pharmacies as of Sept 27, 2007> No Rx's for CII's CIII's CIV's CV's without a in person exam, or equivilent- are now punishable by up tomillions in fines and up to 20 Yrs in State Prison.

[gilbert az]

BakaBilly wrote:

According to every test done there is nothing wrong with me. I go from Chrons to IBS and back again. from hanging out with me from time to time youd be hard pressed to find something wrong with me if im not flareing up at the time...
However...my pain every morning and sometimes at night is so f'n bad that I need to get oxy. I dont have cancer or a herniated disc. But let me tell you just because someone doesnt have the same chronic illness and pain as you doesnt mean they dont have the same right to pain meds as you.:P
Thats why they make oxy in 10, 20, 40 and 80mg tablets. Something for everyone!
I wish to god I could get oxy...its the only thing that made me feel normal in the last 7 years.

Billy if you post on here still email me please [e-mail]