Immigration Enforcement Patriot Chele...

Immigration Enforcement Patriot Chelene Nightingale Running For CA Governor

There are 29 comments on the Diggers Realm story from Jul 17, 2009, titled Immigration Enforcement Patriot Chelene Nightingale Running For CA Governor. In it, Diggers Realm reports that:

Chelene Nightingale , the patriot who has been one of the driving forces behind the group Save Our State calling for immigration enforcement for the past half decade, formally announced that she will be running for governor of California in 2010.

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oracle

San Diego, CA

#1 Aug 18, 2009
It is important that everybody know the truth, but it is also important to note that all of the bickering and infighting is exactly what Chelene wants. It is what allows her to constantly slip through the cracks as she defames patriots by spreading rumor and innuendo. Yeah, Jim got duped by Shawna, but so did everyone else who never kicked her ass off the border or out of their orgs. But, as far as I can tell, Chelene was the only person who KNOWINGLY condoned Ms. Forde.
So, that you don't think I am totally full of crap, ask yourself if ANY of these sound familiar. Here is a partial list of Chelene's lies;
1) She has "SEEN" the proof that the hijackers are right (she denied ever saying this in court)
2) Ray Herrera embarrassed her and the Ramos family in TX when Nacho surrendered
3) Ray Herrera and Robin are not true Christians (as she is) because they left their spouses for each other
4) Ted Hayes was told by her and his friend Rhonda to get a job but would rather be homeless
5) Steve Eichler and Jim Gilchrist are the gay half children of Satan
6) William Gheen frivolously spends his donors money on "the biggest suite in the place" at the DC event and in Phoenix at the Ramos & Compean rally (among others)
7) That March for America founder Jonnie Crivello was "sniveling" and power hungry
8) That Cheryl Burns and those who supported Chuck Baldwin were delusional and stealing Ron Paul's votes
9) She stated that she would never work with Jeff Schwilk because he is abusive to women
Believe me, the list goes on and you KNOW that you have heard her say these things and/or things like them. But, you know now that I think about it this was all probably Jim's fault.
One other thing, let's do a quick comparison;
Jim - Decorated war vet, co-wrote a book, launched the NATIONAL illegal immigration movement, 4000+ media appearances, endorsement sought by Presidential Candidate, head of Minuteman Project, Congressional candidate, married for 30+ years, and retired professional.
Chelene - Divorced, homeless, took SOS from 4000+ members to 10, never ran for ANY office, last job was handing out cheese in a supermarket (<-- True Story), pretends to be a model and actress yet has no credits or body of work, never served in uniform, no volunteer or activist resume, never founded anything.
And for the record, I am not a Minuteman and do not owe Jim nor anyone else a thing. I am not part of his (or any) camp. So, don't try to belabor the truth by pretending that only one group sees through this crap. In fact, we all do.
Yes, everyone in these petty squabbles looks silly including Jim, but he has earned more in his lifetime than Chelene is even capable of recognizing. And the only reason that any of you fault Jim at all is because you expected more from him than you expect from Chelene. So, why are we supposed to vote for her again? Case closed.
BlackCats in Ontario

Upland, CA

#2 Aug 25, 2009
I don't know who is "Oracle" poster is, but he/she is absolutely wrong and is very delirious. The article is about Chelene running for Governor and yet "Oracle" is blabbling about Jim Gilchrist (way off topic!). As everyone knows, Chelene is a patriot that have the guts to run for Governor of California. Chelene is happily married and her husband absolute supported Chelene. Chelene, when she gets elected, will bring back California of old, where the state is very prosperous and fun to live. The Democrats and Republicans candidates will not improve California, as they will kow-tow to the Globalists on how to run California. Chelene will never kow-tow the Globalists, as she will do what Californian taxpayers ask her to do. She will improve the education (yes, she allows home-schooling), getting rid of illegals by cutting off the welfare and other social benefits, improving water system for the farmers, and lastly improving the environment. Please go to her website and learn more about her ideologies and you will love her and her enthusiasm. Thank you all.
Interested Bystander

AOL

#3 Aug 26, 2009
Oracle's post begins,"It is important that everybody know the truth..." and then procedes to mischaracterize, lie and post blatently ridiculous idiocies. It reads like another unhinged Gilly rant. One can only assume that there are no moderators to keep this forum from appearing silly.
Lady from golden state

Schaumburg, IL

#4 Aug 26, 2009
After checking out the other candidates for governor, I have come to the conclusion they are politics as usual.
They all promise change for California.
I only see the same old broken promises and more problems for this state.
The only candidate I see that will offer some real change is Chelene Nightingale.
She is the only one who appears not to be catering to the illegal so called immigrants. Immigrants they are not. Real immigrants don’t sneak over the border and steal someone’s ID or use forged documents. Real immigrants come here the legal way and are loyal to this country and respect our laws.
I am afraid some of these candidates appear to me to be more interested in their own personal gain then in the welfare of this state.
We have serious problems in this state and if we do not get a governor who will address them, I am afraid this state will be in such a mess that you will see a mass migration of Californians leaving this state soon.
If you think this state is broke now, wait till more taxpaying citizens leave this state. Who is going to pay then for our police, fire departments, schools and so on?

“New to Rome”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#5 Sep 17, 2009
Lady from golden state wrote:
After checking out the other candidates for governor, I have come to the conclusion they are politics as usual.
They all promise change for California.
I only see the same old broken promises and more problems for this state.
The only candidate I see that will offer some real change is Chelene Nightingale.
She is the only one who appears not to be catering to the illegal so called immigrants. Immigrants they are not. Real immigrants don’t sneak over the border and steal someone’s ID or use forged documents. Real immigrants come here the legal way and are loyal to this country and respect our laws.
I am afraid some of these candidates appear to me to be more interested in their own personal gain then in the welfare of this state.
We have serious problems in this state and if we do not get a governor who will address them, I am afraid this state will be in such a mess that you will see a mass migration of Californians leaving this state soon.
If you think this state is broke now, wait till more taxpaying citizens leave this state. Who is going to pay then for our police, fire departments, schools and so on?
I know her, and we have some good friends in common, but I doubt she'll get the AI Party nomination. Without the nomination she would have to run as a write in candidate. It's too bad; anyone that voted for Ron Paul would love Chelene, and many Minutemen would have helped get her elected. She could have gotten 15% of the vote, which could have made her name a household word.

Instead, she has created drama, defamed friends and single handedly ruined her own organization. If she'll use SOS to attack friends, what would she do as the CEO of California?
AmericaFirstVet

AOL

#6 Sep 21, 2009
CHELENE NIGHTINGALE is a great candidate for Governor and will be a great pro-activist Governor of California. She will put California and 'America First'. The 'republicrats' will nominate and run the same old political hacks...whores, liers and thieves. The democrats (aka: socialists) and the tired old republicans (aka:'globalists') will just give Califorians ANOTHER "ARNOLD". We have nothing but continued WA$TE,FRAUD & ABU$E. Chelene will cut the fat, beef up our borders with the Cal. National Guard,give the local police and county sheriff's ,and Fire department's the resources they need to really get the job done."THEY" are our FIRST priority. She will probably solicit advice from 'America's Toughest Sheriff' Sheriff Joe Arpaio....and get real CHAIN GANGS instituted again statewide with the Corrections department.
These chain gangs can clean up the freeway areas in cleaningup the trash and graffitti. PUT THEM TO WORK! USE THAT MANPOWER!
She will do a complete upgrade of the FRAUD UNIT to investigate all the fraud going on in welfare, etc. This will save billions to the tax payers.
Chelene will be speaking to the up coming national conference of the Constitution party (American Independent Party in California)along with former congressman TOM TANCREDO, in Phoenix, Az., Oct. 22-24-09. As far as her chances in winning the AIP Governor primary? EXCELLANT! She has a great staff and team working for her. She is on the campaign 24/7 and invited as a speaker at many many venues & events. She is on some kind of radio station almost 'daily'. She is a great asset to the AIP and the CP nationally. She has our complete 100% support from our pro-activist VETERANS organization.-Larry Breazeale, Msgt.(ret.) USAF, Deputy Sheriff, retired, Nat. Chrm. NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION..www.nvets.org
AyatollahGondola

Auburn, CA

#7 Nov 12, 2009
I won't encourage or discourage a vote on the Candidate. What I will do is encourage you all to examine some evidence:

Nightingale was the managing director of Save Our State. In her bio, she originally named the organization and its' status as reference for her work. Later though, as news that the organization had lost its' corporate status by the California secretary of state, and that the Non Profit 501c3 status had never been completed in California, she began removing Save Our State from her Bio. She has now placed considerable distance between herself and the former organization without explaining how or why she had MANAGED the organization for several years under some very questionable circumstances. These facts are from very public sources. In addition, the corporation appears to have been structured in a manner that was out of compliance with California corporate code, lending itself to a one person control instead of having the required number of officers.
The body of the organization that the corporation supposedly serviced were referred to as "members", but there was little or no criteria as to what constituted them. With loosely held rules, contributors, supporters, and activists who had invested in this organization were evicted from their status at the will of the managers, which often took on political and other overtones that appeared to be at odds with the corporate mission statement. In addition, personal agendas outside of the organizations agenda dominated the forum and organizational management. Candidates and politics became the main pursuit, in violation of the corporate charter.
Over the last few months, the former forum which was at the heart of its' effort to reach new members and distribute media was being heavily censored of postings that may not have reflected well on its former managing director. When the new corporate entity tried to intervene in that endeavor, the forum was silenced entirely and removed from the internet.
several years of work by many dedicated people was tossed over the shoulders of the managing director and the corporate founder like an empty beer can.
It is my opinion that this is what you can expect from Chelene Nightingale in the future, for it has been her past.
nightingaleforgo vernor

La Jolla, CA

#8 Feb 4, 2010
here you go again, Davi (here, I'll just repost this for all to see) Ok Ayatollah aka Davi Rodrigues. Your complete obsession with Chelene on just about every forum and video caused me to conduct my own research regarding your sick fascination and character assassination.
Save Our State did close shop..http://www.saveourstate. org. Online research shows very clearly that Joe Turner was the founder of the organization. A Don Silva and Ms. Nightingale seem to be the names most closely associated with the organization. I discovered numerous reports, news articles, and videos and these three consistently surfaced. Your name oddly enough never showed up except in some obscure youtube video where you make no sense and act like a child and on another site warning others that you are a liar:
http://sandiegominutemen.com/site/index.php...
Davi A. Rodrigues, Sacramento - Independent lone-nut activist who stirs up trouble in groups and spreads malicious lies on the internet. Unstable, delusional, destructive behavior. Supports and defends Jim Gilchrist. AKA AyatollahGondola on the internet. Nov 09: stole Save Our State name for his new internet group. He also STOLE the old SOS database in early 2009 and spams people his emails using that stolen list of email addresses. Personal, vindictive daily attacks on Patriot candidate Chelene Nightingale for CA Governor.
But according to your self-inflated opinion, you are an expert:
http://ourborder.ning.com/forum/topics/introd...
Reply by Davi Rodrigues on September 2, 2009 at 11:32am
Hello, I am Davi Rodrigues. I am an expert on what the effects of non-enforcement of immigration laws can do to degrade your community. Also an expert on what too much immigration can do to native citizens of their country. My credentials are derived from years of personal experience, thorough and continuous document research, and living within the confines of the affected areas. I am also a community activist working tirelessly to educate my neighborhood, and others about the dangers of open borders, vast increases in immigration levels, and overzealous visa proponents. My website can fe found here:
http://docs.google.com/viewer...
“The injunction was agreed to without a trial, without taking any evidence, and without any admission of liability or wrongdoing to settle the litigation. It is not evidence of any misconduct and shall not be treated as an admission of liability by any party for any purpose.
On the other hand, "AyatollahGondola" is Davi Rodrigues who sued Mr. Bixby and lost. Mr. Bixby sued Mr. Rodrigues and has a judgment against him in excess of $105,000, for breach of lease. Mr. Rodrigues’ motivation is obvious.”
And there is more..seems you work against other liberty candidates as well:
Mark Seidenberg Says:
[size=November 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm][size=]
I had a long talk with a man named “Davi” or “Davy” in SOS, who kindly gave me background information about Ms. Nightingale and Chuck Baldwin.
Mark Seidenberg is a long time associate and supporter of Alan Keyes. Seems that crowd is quite connected to William Kristol (aka neocon who was a McCain campaign advisor),
Davi, your purpose seems to be to confuse, divide, marginalize. I am sure others like me will see right through your BS propaganda.
What you should know, however, is that you are allegedly a board member of a 501c3. If thats true, then you have violated campaign laws and can lose your tax status, as you continously persist in your character defamation and lies about Patriotic candidate Chelene Nightingale
www.nightingaleforgovernor.com
nightingaleforgo vernor

La Jolla, CA

#9 Feb 4, 2010
here you go again, Davi (here, I'll just repost this for all to see)
Ok Ayatollah aka Davi Rodrigues. Your complete obsession with Chelene on just about every forum and video caused me to conduct my own research regarding your sick fascination and character assassination.

Save Our State did close shop..http://www.saveourstate. org. Online research shows very clearly that Joe Turner was the founder of the organization. A Don Silva and Ms. Nightingale seem to be the names most closely associated with the organization. I discovered numerous reports, news articles, and videos and these three consistently surfaced. Your name oddly enough never showed up except in some obscure youtube video where you make no sense and act like a child and on another site warning others that you are a liar:

http://sandiegominutemen.com/site/index.php...

Davi A. Rodrigues, Sacramento - Independent lone-nut activist who stirs up trouble in groups and spreads malicious lies on the internet. Unstable, delusional, destructive behavior. Supports and defends Jim Gilchrist. AKA AyatollahGondola on the internet. Nov 09: stole Save Our State name for his new internet group. He also STOLE the old SOS database in early 2009 and spams people his emails using that stolen list of email addresses. Personal, vindictive daily attacks on Patriot candidate Chelene Nightingale for CA Governor.

But according to your self-inflated opinion, you are an expert:

http://ourborder.ning.com/forum/topics/introd...

Reply by Davi Rodrigues on September 2, 2009 at 11:32am

Hello, I am Davi Rodrigues. I am an expert on what the effects of non-enforcement of immigration laws can do to degrade your community. Also an expert on what too much immigration can do to native citizens of their country. My credentials are derived from years of personal experience, thorough and continuous document research, and living within the confines of the affected areas. I am also a community activist working tirelessly to educate my neighborhood, and others about the dangers of open borders, vast increases in immigration levels, and overzealous visa proponents. My website can fe found here:

http://docs.google.com/viewer...

“The injunction was agreed to without a trial, without taking any evidence, and without any admission of liability or wrongdoing to settle the litigation. It is not evidence of any misconduct and shall not be treated as an admission of liability by any party for any purpose.
On the other hand, "AyatollahGondola" is Davi Rodrigues who sued Mr. Bixby and lost. Mr. Bixby sued Mr. Rodrigues and has a judgment against him in excess of $105,000, for breach of lease. Mr. Rodrigues’ motivation is obvious.”

And there is more..seems you work against other liberty candidates as well:

Mark Seidenberg Says:
[size=November 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm][size=]

I had a long talk with a man named “Davi” or “Davy” in SOS, who kindly gave me background information about Ms. Nightingale and Chuck Baldwin.

Mark Seidenberg is a long time associate and supporter of Alan Keyes. Seems that crowd is quite connected to William Kristol (aka neocon who was a McCain campaign advisor),

Davi, your purpose seems to be to confuse, divide, marginalize. I am sure others like me will see right through your BS propaganda.

What you should know, however, is that you are allegedly a board member of a 501c3. If thats true, then you have violated campaign laws and can lose your tax status-as you persist in your character defamation and lies about a Patriotic candiate like Chelene Nightingale
www.nightingaleforgovernor.com
nightingaleforgo vernor

La Jolla, CA

#10 Feb 4, 2010
E R Williams wrote:
<quoted text>
I know her, and we have some good friends in common, but I doubt she'll get the AI Party nomination. Without the nomination she would have to run as a write in candidate. It's too bad; anyone that voted for Ron Paul would love Chelene, and many Minutemen would have helped get her elected. She could have gotten 15% of the vote, which could have made her name a household word.
Instead, she has created drama, defamed friends and single handedly ruined her own organization. If she'll use SOS to attack friends, what would she do as the CEO of California?
she does not need the "fake" endorsement/nomination from those claiming to be the Officers of the American Independent Party here in California. She has been endorsed fully by AIP founder, James Griffin.

here this may help clear up that confusion.
Elections Code Provisions for the State of California can be accessed at www.sos.ca.gov

8001.(a) No declaration of candidacy for a partisan office or for
membership on a county central committee shall be filed, by a
candidate unless (1) at the time of presentation of the declaration
and continuously for not less than three months immediately prior to
that time, or for as long as he has been eligible to register to vote
in the state, the candidate is shown by his affidavit of
registration to be affiliated with the political party the nomination
of which he seeks, and (2) the candidate has not been registered as
affiliated with a qualified political party other than that political
party the nomination of which he seeks within 12 months, or, in the
case of an election governed by Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
10700) of Part 6 of Division 10, within three months immediately
prior to the filing of the declaration.
(b) The elections official shall attach a certificate to the
declaration of candidacy showing the date on which the candidate
registered as intending to affiliate with the political party the
nomination of which he seeks, and indicating that the candidate has
not been affiliated with any other qualified political party for the
period specified in subdivision (a) immediately preceding the filing
of the declaration. This section shall not apply to declarations of
candidacy filed by a candidate of a political party participating in
its first direct primary election subsequent to its qualification as
a political party pursuant to Section 5100
nightingaleforgo vernor

La Jolla, CA

#11 Feb 4, 2010
Chelene Nightingale intends to be a candidate for "WE THE PEOPLE" of California which will obviously require that she win the support of many voters beyond the 385,000 registered members of the American Independent Party in order to be elected Governor in November. Nevertheless, she is clearly supported by the historic leaders and active membership of the American Independent Party. Evidence of this can be shown by the fact that nearly every living past state chairman of the American Independent Party has endorsed Chelene Nightingale: They include Fred Barber, Jim Griffin, Merton Short, Gary Odom, Nathan Johnson, Jim King, and Nancy Shearer (the daughter of party founders Bill and Eileen Shearer). King, Johnson and Short are running as statewide candidates this year as part of the slate headed by Ms. Nightingale. Also running as part of this statewide ticket is Diane Beall Templin (for attorney general), who has run for many statewide offices in the past, and Robert Lauten (for State Treasurer) who was the only AIP candidate on the ballot in 2008 (for Congress in Orange County) other than for President. The two major county central committees in California to have actually elected members for the two year term commencing in 2008, Los Angeles and Orange, both strongly support Chelene Nightingale.
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nightingaleforgo vernor

La Jolla, CA

#12 Feb 4, 2010
The rules for who is qualified to run in an American Independent primary election are set forth in the California Elections Code and are the same as for all the other ballot qualified parties in the state: According to the state Election Code, a candidate (otherwise qualifying for age and residence -and for governor it is anywhere in the state, of course]) cannot have been a registered member of another political party for one year and must be registered in that party for three months as of THE DATE THE PERSON FILES A DECLARATION OF CANDIDACY.(These rules do not apply to new voters in the state or first time registered voters, but neither of those situations apply to this case) The very first date, for this election, that a candidate can file such a declaration of candidacy, is February 16, 2010 (the candidate's calendar says Feb. 15, but I was told by the Orange County Registrar of Voter's office that day is a holiday). The period to file this and other accompanying papers runs well into March of 2010. Chelene Nightingale registered into the American Independent Party on or about January 28, 2009. Therefore, Chelene Nightingale will clearly be qualified when she files her declaration of candidacy to be a candidate in the AIP primary election in 2010. Because of Mr. Seidenberg's desperate attempts at disinformation ( and principally to assure everybody's peace of mind) we have corroborated this understanding with the San Bernardino, Riverside and Orange County Registrar of voters offices-- though there was really no need to do so as the law is set out plainly in the Election Code.
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nightingaleforgo vernor

La Jolla, CA

#13 Feb 4, 2010
In California, the registered voters of a party are the ultimate authority in party affairs. The state officers do not have any kind of ownership franchise. The officers are ministerial fiduciaries who administer the party during their two-year term of office--nothing more. They certainly have no power to decide which candidates can be selected to run in the general election as that decision is made by the voters in primary election, which again this year takes place in June. Any comments by Mr. Seidenberg in regard to Ms. Nightingale being supported by the Constitution Party (which is very true) have absolutely no bearing on her qualification to run as a candidate in this election. She will have been registered in the American Independent Party for the required length of time before the filing of her declaration of candidacy
SFVMMP

San Diego, CA

#14 Feb 12, 2010
Another nice dodge of the topics: misstating my comments, trash talking other activists, taking credit for others work, being dishonest on facts, or ETC....
(Do you see Sandinator and others like her under Chelene's or your SOS beds nowadays ???!!!??? LOL)

Examine these similarties of actions:
Chelene Nightengale was a grandstanding "I did this!" credit pig.
'BlackCats in Ontario' is a grandstanding "I did this!" credit pig.

Chelene Nightengale was a backstabbing gossiper at org members.
'BlackCats in Ontario' is a backstabbing gossiper at org members.

Chelene Nightengale took credit for others activism work.
'BlackCats in Ontario' is taking credit for others activism work.

Chelene Nightengale threats of banning members off sos org.
'BlackCats in Ontario' threats of banning members off sos org.

Chelene Nightengale drove away hundreds members of sos org.
'BlackCats in Ontario' is driving away members of sos org.

Chelene Nightengale lied to make her points to sos & others.
'BlackCats in Ontario' lies to make her points to sos & others.

Chelene Nightengale is an embarrassment to The Cause.
'BlackCats in Ontario' is an embarrassment to The Cause.

'BlackCats in Ontario' when you become more smarter & better but still do the immense amount of activisim as 'Old Glory','papoose', and many others (that shame you)without any need to become a 'noisy tin bell''I did this give me credit' ringing an alarm bell in our SoCal communities; you and we will be better off. Or stay the sad scary negative clown, you currently are. People don't listen to sad scary clowns. It's fact many know. You don't get it because you want this to be ABOUT YOU. Some ego & mouth you carry and use too much.
BlackCats in Ontario wrote:
I don't know who is "Oracle" poster is, but he/she is absolutely wrong and is very delirious. The article is about Chelene running for Governor and yet "Oracle" is blabbling about Jim Gilchrist (way off topic!). As everyone knows, Chelene is a patriot that have the guts to run for Governor of California. Chelene is happily married and her husband absolute supported Chelene. Chelene, when she gets elected, will bring back California of old, where the state is very prosperous and fun to live. The Democrats and Republicans candidates will not improve California, as they will kow-tow to the Globalists on how to run California. Chelene will never kow-tow the Globalists, as she will do what Californian taxpayers ask her to do. She will improve the education (yes, she allows home-schooling), getting rid of illegals by cutting off the welfare and other social benefits, improving water system for the farmers, and lastly improving the environment. Please go to her website and learn more about her ideologies and you will love her and her enthusiasm. Thank you all.
Ca Voter

AOL

#15 Feb 13, 2010
Wow, I'll bet the lunatic SFVMMP above had steam coming out of it's ears with the nose whistling loudly as he spewed his above bile in an effort to keep his empty head from exploding! The rant is all acusation and no substance. That is the most obvious indication of an open borders liberal who seeks to infiltrate this movement.

Someone obviously needs their meds adjusted!
notacalifornian

Lakewood, WA

#16 Feb 26, 2010
Chelene HAS been divorced. She left her husband in Washington while still married to pursue an acting career in California.
Sandinator

Ontario, CA

#17 Apr 23, 2010
Chelene is a freak and so is that dude that calls himself black cats. Chelene has as much chance of becoming Gov of Calif as a snowball has a chance in Hell.
Veterans Home

Oklahoma City, OK

#18 May 25, 2010
2010 Updates
Chelene Ward Nightingale is no longer with SOS
She lost a recent fraud trial in Kern County
She is red flagged by the state elections office
She does not know how many children in her family
She now has a primary challenger on June 8th
Her 2009 was so horrible that American Independent Party state chair is now running against her on Tuesday June 8th. A reasonable person would have been the de facto general election candidate, but nooooooooooooooo
Lebanon Oregon

Tucson, AZ

#20 Jul 22, 2010
notacalifornian wrote:
Chelene HAS been divorced. She left her husband in Washington while still married to pursue an acting career in California.
Yeppers, she is a real live NUT! Come on who takes her seriously? Shes so Cheesy its not funny.
CA Voter

AOL

#21 Aug 1, 2010
So tell us all "Vet", why is there no record of your claim in the kern Co. public record? Why does the state election office have no record of any "red flag" as you call it? Does not know how many children in her family? I strongly suggest that you are long overdue to have your meds adjusted. Your illudions obviously seem real to you and that could be dangerous to yourself and others. Veterans Home? Interesting handle, are you an antiwar nutcase too? I'm sure your mother had no idea how many children she had. Judging from how you turned out, I'd hope not many.

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