New Study Finds No Significant Human-Induced Warming

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At the journal Earth System Dynamics , M. Beenstock, Y. Reingewertz, and N. Paldor have published a paper titled "Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming" which Anthony Watts describes as a potential bombshell.

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litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#22 Jan 15, 2013
tina anne wrote:
AGW was a theory that turned out to be nothing.
If 'tiny-minded anne' says so, the entire work of thousands of AGW scientists with 10+ more years of training in science & mathematics than she has, have to collapse in a puddle of life-time error.
PHD

Overton, TX

#23 Jan 15, 2013
pinheadlitesout wrote:
<quoted text>
If 'tiny-minded anne' says so, the entire work of thousands of AGW scientists with 10+ more years of training in science & mathematics than she has, have to collapse in a puddle of life-time error.
They are all in error! Did you get that check up from the neck up? The topic community has a growing concern that you may hurt your---self.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#24 Jan 15, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
"Anthony Watts described as a potential bombshell?" happen.
<,Anthony Watts is a former television meteorologist who is best known as the founder and editor of the popular Watts Up With That (WUWT) blog that publishes articles skeptical of climate change. He is also the owner of the weather graphics company ItWorks and the founder of Surfacestations.org .

Watts admits “I’m not a degreed climate scientist” on his WUWT profile and his primary credential appears to be an American Meteorological Society Seal of Approval. This does not mean that Watts is “AMS Certified” as some sources have inaccurately claimed. The AMS Seal of Approval is a discontinued credential that does not require a bachelor’s or higher degree in atmospheric science or meteorology.

Watts’s “About” page mentions neither his Purdue attendance nor whether he graduated. Watts has refused to say whether he graduated, and a number of direct queries to Watts to find out if he graduated from college were rebuffed.
Key Deeds

Watts recently praised the Berkeley Earth project, which was chaired by Richard Muller and set out to “resolve current criticism of the former temperature analyses, and to prepare an open record that will allow rapid response to further criticism or suggestions.” The study also evaluated Watt’s concerns about weather station locations.

Watts had declared he was “prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.” Muller testified before congress on March 31, 2011 where he released preliminary results showing “a global warming trend that is very similar to that previously reported by the other groups [NOAA, NASA, and the Hadley Center Climate Research Unit (CRU)s.”

Muller addressed Watts’s concerns, mentioning how “Many US stations have low quality rankings according to a study led by Anthony Watts. However, we find that the warming seen in the ‘poor’ stations is virtually indistinguishable from that seen in the ‘good’ stations.”

Instead of accepting the results as he promised, Watts dismissed the hearing as “post normal science political theater.” And one of the regular contributors on his site dismissed Professor Muller as “a man driven by a very serious agenda.”

,,,
Publications
Anthony Watts does not appear to have published any articles in peer reviewed journals on the subject of climate.
•“Is the U.S. Surface Temperature Record Reliable?”(.pdf). Originally published by The Heartland Institute.

The report suggests that certain climate-monitoring stations may yield inaccurate data due to their proximity to buildings, air conditioners or concrete. Watts suggests that due to the improper placement of some of these stations, climate models based on this data may also be flawed.

http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#25 Jan 15, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
<,Anthony Watts is a former television meteorologist who is best known as the founder and editor of the popular Watts Up With That (WUWT) blog that publishes articles skeptical of climate change. He is also the owner of the weather graphics company ItWorks and the founder of Surfacestations.org .
Watts admits “I’m not a degreed climate scientist” on his WUWT profile and his primary credential appears to be an American Meteorological Society Seal of Approval. This does not mean that Watts is “AMS Certified” as some sources have inaccurately claimed. The AMS Seal of Approval is a discontinued credential that does not require a bachelor’s or higher degree in atmospheric science or meteorology.
Watts’s “About” page mentions neither his Purdue attendance nor whether he graduated. Watts has refused to say whether he graduated, and a number of direct queries to Watts to find out if he graduated from college were rebuffed.
Key Deeds
Watts recently praised the Berkeley Earth project, which was chaired by Richard Muller and set out to “resolve current criticism of the former temperature analyses, and to prepare an open record that will allow rapid response to further criticism or suggestions.” The study also evaluated Watt’s concerns about weather station locations.
Watts had declared he was “prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.” Muller testified before congress on March 31, 2011 where he released preliminary results showing “a global warming trend that is very similar to that previously reported by the other groups [NOAA, NASA, and the Hadley Center Climate Research Unit (CRU)s.”
Muller addressed Watts’s concerns, mentioning how “Many US stations have low quality rankings according to a study led by Anthony Watts. However, we find that the warming seen in the ‘poor’ stations is virtually indistinguishable from that seen in the ‘good’ stations.”
Instead of accepting the results as he promised, Watts dismissed the hearing as “post normal science political theater.” And one of the regular contributors on his site dismissed Professor Muller as “a man driven by a very serious agenda.”
,,,
Publications
Anthony Watts does not appear to have published any articles in peer reviewed journals on the subject of climate.
•“Is the U.S. Surface Temperature Record Reliable?”(.pdf). Originally published by The Heartland Institute.
The report suggests that certain climate-monitoring stations may yield inaccurate data due to their proximity to buildings, air conditioners or concrete. Watts suggests that due to the improper placement of some of these stations, climate models based on this data may also be flawed.
http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts
Yes, these are all too familiar because the deniers in this forum adore 'thony's thrash.

They are known to repeat the same things over and over without relevance or significance.

Oh they also quote liberally from the heartless incorporated.
PHD

Overton, TX

#26 Jan 16, 2013
More cut and paste useless babble. Will it ever end?

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#27 Jan 16, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
<quoted text>
<,Anthony Watts is a former television meteorologist who is best known as the founder and editor of the popular Watts Up With That (WUWT) blog that publishes articles skeptical of climate change. He is also the owner of the weather graphics company ItWorks and the founder of Surfacestations.org .
Watts admits “I’m not a degreed climate scientist” on his WUWT profile and his primary credential appears to be an American Meteorological Society Seal of Approval. This does not mean that Watts is “AMS Certified” as some sources have inaccurately claimed. The AMS Seal of Approval is a discontinued credential that does not require a bachelor’s or higher degree in atmospheric science or meteorology.
Watts’s “About” page mentions neither his Purdue attendance nor whether he graduated. Watts has refused to say whether he graduated, and a number of direct queries to Watts to find out if he graduated from college were rebuffed.
Key Deeds
Watts recently praised the Berkeley Earth project, which was chaired by Richard Muller and set out to “resolve current criticism of the former temperature analyses, and to prepare an open record that will allow rapid response to further criticism or suggestions.” The study also evaluated Watt’s concerns about weather station locations.
Watts had declared he was “prepared to accept whatever result they produce, even if it proves my premise wrong.” Muller testified before congress on March 31, 2011 where he released preliminary results showing “a global warming trend that is very similar to that previously reported by the other groups [NOAA, NASA, and the Hadley Center Climate Research Unit (CRU)s.”
Muller addressed Watts’s concerns, mentioning how “Many US stations have low quality rankings according to a study led by Anthony Watts. However, we find that the warming seen in the ‘poor’ stations is virtually indistinguishable from that seen in the ‘good’ stations.”
Instead of accepting the results as he promised, Watts dismissed the hearing as “post normal science political theater.” And one of the regular contributors on his site dismissed Professor Muller as “a man driven by a very serious agenda.”
,,,
Publications
Anthony Watts does not appear to have published any articles in peer reviewed journals on the subject of climate.
•“Is the U.S. Surface Temperature Record Reliable?”(.pdf). Originally published by The Heartland Institute.
The report suggests that certain climate-monitoring stations may yield inaccurate data due to their proximity to buildings, air conditioners or concrete. Watts suggests that due to the improper placement of some of these stations, climate models based on this data may also be flawed.
http://www.desmogblog.com/anthony-watts
Funny thing is that his work with weather graphics company still makes him far more qualified than the founder of skepticalscience. Even your own post admits that he at least has a background in weather and has worked in the field in several areas including weather modeling (needed for computerized weather graphics) and as someone who was using the data to make predictions on a daily basis would be one of the first to notice errors in the data.

The Surfacestations.org is most likely an offshoot of what many weather forecasters have noticed. That some weather recording stations have become less accurate and there is a reason for that lack of accuracy. Which upsets those like yourself who need to believe that the data isn't be skewed by things like paving and nearby air conditioning vents.
PHD

Overton, TX

#28 Jan 16, 2013
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny thing is that his work with weather graphics company still makes him far more qualified than the founder of skepticalscience. Even your own post admits that he at least has a background in weather and has worked in the field in several areas including weather modeling (needed for computerized weather graphics) and as someone who was using the data to make predictions on a daily basis would be one of the first to notice errors in the data.
The Surfacestations.org is most likely an offshoot of what many weather forecasters have noticed. That some weather recording stations have become less accurate and there is a reason for that lack of accuracy. Which upsets those like yourself who need to believe that the data isn't be skewed by things like paving and nearby air conditioning vents.
Good job again you spanked another one from the cut and paste useless babble group.

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#29 Jan 17, 2013
At the journal Earth System Dynamics , M. Beenstock, Y. Reingewertz, and N. Paldor have published a paper titled "Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming" which Anthony Watts describes as a potential bombshell.

This paper only plays games with statistics, not physics.

That's what all the whackos do.

The author here shows how these statisticians took two linear measurements and tried to argue they... viola really weren't linear after going through an amazing series of manipulations...

<<The method of co-integration is designed to test hypotheses with time series data that are non-stationary to the same order, and to avoid the pitfall of spurious regression. The order of non-stationarity refers to the number of times a variable must be differenced (d) to render it stationary, in which case the variable is integrated of order, d, or I(d).

We confirm previous findings, that the radiative forcings of greenhouse gases (C02, CH4 and N2O) are stationary in second differences (i.e. I(2)) while global temperature and solar irradiance are stationary in first differences (i.e. I(1)).

Straightforwardly this is a claim that forcing has been increasing as a second order function, while temperature has only been increasing linearly. Given the noise in the temperature record, that is a reach as an absolute,??

If you look at the CO2 forcing above it looks pretty linear, but how about the total radiative forcing, because, our new hero's are claiming that
.......greenhouse gas forcing, global temperature and solar irradiance are not polynomially cointegrated and AGW is refuted. Although we reject AGW, we find that greenhouse gas forcings have a temporary effect on global temperature. Because the greenhouse effect is temporary rather than permanent, predicitons of significant global warming in the 21st century by IPCC are not supported by the data.
Hmm, that looks pretty linear too (the color you can't see in the legend is for CH4). So we have the result that the radiative forcing since 1979, has been linear.

>>

And so on.

Funny response showing this is statistical trash.

http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/03/idiots-del...
PHD

Overton, TX

#30 Jan 18, 2013
More on so on useless babble cut and paste. Do you have anything real to offer?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#31 Jan 18, 2013
REAL. Professor Muller could do all that at Berkeley because he's a real PhD.
PHD

Overton, TX

#32 Jan 18, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
REAL. Professor Muller could do all that at Berkeley because he's a real PhD.
So it is understood that you are incapable of offering anything of worth. You are really really spaced out. Your another Pete the re Pete. My bad you could have that stuttering condition.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#33 Jan 18, 2013
Wallop10 wrote:
At the journal Earth System Dynamics , M. Beenstock, Y. Reingewertz, and N. Paldor have published a paper titled "Polynomial cointegration tests of anthropogenic impact on global warming" which Anthony Watts describes as a potential bombshell.
This paper only plays games with statistics, not physics.
That's what all the whackos do.
The author here shows how these statisticians took two linear measurements and tried to argue they... viola really weren't linear after going through an amazing series of manipulations...
<<The method of co-integration is designed to test hypotheses with time series data that are non-stationary to the same order, and to avoid the pitfall of spurious regression. The order of non-stationarity refers to the number of times a variable must be differenced (d) to render it stationary, in which case the variable is integrated of order, d, or I(d).
We confirm previous findings, that the radiative forcings of greenhouse gases (C02, CH4 and N2O) are stationary in second differences (i.e. I(2)) while global temperature and solar irradiance are stationary in first differences (i.e. I(1)).
Straightforwardly this is a claim that forcing has been increasing as a second order function, while temperature has only been increasing linearly. Given the noise in the temperature record, that is a reach as an absolute,??
If you look at the CO2 forcing above it looks pretty linear, but how about the total radiative forcing, because, our new hero's are claiming that
.......greenhouse gas forcing, global temperature and solar irradiance are not polynomially cointegrated and AGW is refuted. Although we reject AGW, we find that greenhouse gas forcings have a temporary effect on global temperature. Because the greenhouse effect is temporary rather than permanent, predicitons of significant global warming in the 21st century by IPCC are not supported by the data.
Hmm, that looks pretty linear too (the color you can't see in the legend is for CH4). So we have the result that the radiative forcing since 1979, has been linear.
>>
And so on.
Funny response showing this is statistical trash.
http://rabett.blogspot.com/2010/03/idiots-del...
Maybe you ought to read it. Because it turns out the math works and the numbers were solid. The IPCC models departed from reality within a couple of years are are now solidly out to lunch.

Also, give up on the cut and paste bit. Because your not really reading or understanding what your posting. Also, a few math classes would help.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#34 Jan 18, 2013
Mann was brought up in Amherst, Massachusetts, where his father was a professor of mathematics at the University of Massachusetts (UMass). At school he was interested in math, science and computing. In 1983 he was prompted by seeing the film WarGames to write a rudimentary self-learning tic-tac-toe program which made random moves and listed losing moves which it would not repeat. Mann found a "trick" of using symmetry to reduce the number of unique moves to store so that the computer would not slow down so much.[3]

In August 1984 he went to the University of California, Berkeley, to major in physics with a second major in applied math. His second year research in the theoretical behaviour of liquid crystals used the Monte Carlo method applying randomness in computer simulations. Late in 1987 he joined a research team under Didier de Fontaine which was using similar Monte Carlo methodology to investigate the superconducting properties of yttrium barium copper oxide, modelling transitions between ordered and disordered phases.[4] He graduated with honors in 1989 with an A.B. in applied mathematics and physics.[1]

[a portion of what's in Wikipedia, copied proudly and pasted here]

Since: Apr 08

"the green troll"

#35 Jan 18, 2013
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Maybe you ought to read it. Because it turns out the math works and the numbers were solid. The IPCC models departed from reality within a couple of years are are now solidly out to lunch.
Also, give up on the cut and paste bit. Because your not really reading or understanding what your posting. Also, a few math classes would help.
Temperatures are within the range of model predictions.

http://www.realclimate.org/images/model11.jpg

End of story.
PHD

Overton, TX

#36 Jan 18, 2013
SpacedoutBlues wrote:
Mann was brought up in Amherst, Massachusetts, where his father was a professor of mathematics at the University of Massachusetts (UMass). At school he was interested in math, science and computing. In 1983 he was prompted by seeing the film WarGames to write a rudimentary self-learning tic-tac-toe program which made random moves and listed losing moves which it would not repeat. Mann found a "trick" of using symmetry to reduce the number of unique moves to store so that the computer would not slow down so much.[3]
In August 1984 he went to the University of California, Berkeley, to major in physics with a second major in applied math. His second year research in the theoretical behaviour of liquid crystals used the Monte Carlo method applying randomness in computer simulations. Late in 1987 he joined a research team under Didier de Fontaine which was using similar Monte Carlo methodology to investigate the superconducting properties of yttrium barium copper oxide, modelling transitions between ordered and disordered phases.[4] He graduated with honors in 1989 with an A.B. in applied mathematics and physics.[1]
[a portion of what's in Wikipedia, copied proudly and pasted here]
If it weren't for cut and paste useless babble you would have nothing, zero empty chair status.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#37 Jan 18, 2013
Professor Muller could do all that at Berkeley because he's a real PhD. Not fake.
PHD

Overton, TX

#38 Jan 18, 2013
SpacedoutBlues wrote:
Professor Muller could do all that at Berkeley because he's a real PhD. Not fake.
So Mr. Muller wouldn't be interested in your not faked spaced out spacedoutblues useless cut and paste babble.
litesong

Everett, WA

#39 Jan 18, 2013
phud fetid feces face wrote:
The topic community has a growing concern that you may hurt your---self.
However, the topix AGW advocate community has a more real concern that slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs &/or alleged & proud threateners might hurt my wife & me......... slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs &/or alleged & proud threateners who 'phud fetid feces face' defends.
PHD

Overton, TX

#40 Jan 19, 2013
pinheadlitesout wrote:
<quoted text>
However, the topix AGW advocate community has a more real concern that slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs &/or alleged & proud threateners might hurt my wife & me......... slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting (& rotting) racist pukey proud pigs &/or alleged & proud threateners who I'pinheadlitesout fetid feces face' defends MY stupid behavior.
So did you get that check up from the neck up?

Since: Jan 13

Fairfax, VA

#41 Jan 19, 2013
PHD wrote:
<quoted text>So did you get that check up from the neck up?
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