Should Billy Graham's legacy be rescued?

Feb 13, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Q-Notes

President Barack Obama with Rev. Billy Graham at his house in Montreat, N.C., April 25, 2010.

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>maybe you could point out 5 or 6 mistakes or contradictions from the NT.
Okay. Read these and... weep. Here's 5. I got more... lots and lots and LOTS more...

From my favorite bible-debunking site: www.evilbible.com

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108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>and what do you mean. you have yet to post a site that agrees with you. while you have no answer for the sites i post even when i use the one site that you posted.
Thanks for playing-- you just proved my statement:

According to YOUR WORLD OF FANTASY-DELUSION?

"documented" means "agrees with barry"

Your lies keep piling higher and deeper...

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barry wrote:
<quoted text> here you have it: the fabrication of [a] Jewsus Myth. by big bad bob
too bad no one outside of your little club is buying it.
This is common knowledge among the non-deluded, silly boyo

The facts are this:
** Yesuha (and variations) was quite a common name in the Middle East, back in the first century ACE.
** The Hebrews >>were<< being occupied by a foreign power.
** Whenever that happens, it's common for "prophets" and other "holy" men to speak of overthrowing their conquerors in various ways.
** simple statistics would indicate, with the above, that at least several of these "holy" men would've been named "Yesuha" or minor variations of the same.
** Human nature being what it is, ANY story that would encourage a conquered people in their time of oppression, WOULD GET PASSED AROUND. Of course, these stories grow ever more fantastic, with each iteration of being passed along....
Fast-forward to roughly 300ACE, when Constantine needs a new religion. His selected committee of Religion-Creators needed >>something<< around which to base this new religion.
>> fabricate a new religion based on the many Folk Stories of various different "holy" men, from several different regions, but all more or less common to the area.
Since that only covered the first little bit, they also fabricated a 2nd "holy" man, Paul, who allegedly took part of the Second Half--covering the events after the first "holy" man dies.
And he HAD to die-- what better "hero" than one who was a martyr?
>> after much back-and-forth, they also decided "wouldn't it be cool, if the "martyr" wasn't really a martyr, but was a ZOMBIE instead?
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There you have it: the fabrication of your Jewsus Myth.

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>no, not 100% anonymous. scripture identifies about twenty or so of them.
When are you going to get it?

Your bible is NOT even REMOTELY "documentation"!

Your bible has an AGENDA!

As such, it cannot be trusted to be truthful.

Ever.

So. What ELSE you got?

Apart from your bible, of course-- how about some ROMAN records corroborating your claim?

No?

Why not? Those Romans kept records of EVERYTHING.

They CERTAINLY would have kept a record of a miracle of such magnitude that 120 people were ...

... ahem... "witnesses".
barry wrote:
it would sort of be like trying to name all the witnesses to kennedy's assassination. we only know the important ones.
Not at all-- the witnesses who were actually questioned? We DO HAVE THEIR NAMES ON RECORD.

So your comparison actually undermines your case,here...!

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>thank you for your opinion but how about some evidence?
LOL!

You first-- let's see YOUR "evidence" in support of your bible...

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The look on Billy's face after he dies and realizes he is NOT in heaven......priceless

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barry wrote:
what, the bucket is empty?
Indeed it is: the bucket of proof for the existence of your god.

Is entirely, and completely ...

.... empty.

Good!

You are finally beginning to get it!

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No you don't get to do that without backing it up. You have failed to mention any of these 120 people! Name as many as you can and provide proof they existed.

Stop stalling already! You made the assertion you can't just say... Here's my assertion you go read the bible and look for clues to back it up! That's not how it works, it's your assertion you need to make the case for it NOT ask others to do your homework for you!

Now give the names, proof they existed and said the mircales happened or withdraw the claim.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>fine, i'll with draw my assertion and leave it to the record of the Bible. now will you with draw your unsubstantiated assertion or will you produce a record to support it?
your words;
""Your silly New Testament was written decades of not centuries later by fat sweaty Romans who didn't even properly speak Aramaic!"
i just figured that you would have some proof of that.

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Where was Mary and Joe's house when Jesus was born?
How many Women went to Jesus' tomb?
How did Judas die?
Did Jesus' family flee to egypt?
What did John the Baptist say to Jesus when he baptized him?
Was John even there or in prison already?

I could go on and on with these. Bottom line, to each of those questions the answer is... depends on what gospel you read.

So there you have it, 6 errors right off the top of my head without even trying.
barry wrote:
<quoted text>and just how do they not match up?

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Givemeliberty wrote:
Where was Mary and Joe's house when Jesus was born?
How many Women went to Jesus' tomb?
How did Judas die?
Did Jesus' family flee to egypt?
What did John the Baptist say to Jesus when he baptized him?
Was John even there or in prison already?
I could go on and on with these. Bottom line, to each of those questions the answer is... depends on what gospel you read.
So there you have it, 6 errors right off the top of my head without even trying.
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Brilliant!
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woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>You don't know your own bible? oh yeah, you already proved that.
What more evidence do you need? read your gospels and see that what i said was true.
how can there be two (or more)different versions of historical facts, especially in a supposedly divinely inspired book?
still waiting for one of those "two (or more)different versions of historical facts" from the NT.
keep looking, odds are there must be some.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Just as soon as you produce an ORIGINAL bible?
(whatever that may mean)
You MIGHT have a case--
But, until you do? It is pretty certain that your bible is NOT THE SAME as the ... "original" (whatever that is)
Since you claim your bible is of a god?
Why on EARTH did not your god preserve the original down through history...???
Is it because your god doesn't care? Or is it because your god simply ...
.... isn't there...
i think he did preserve his word down through history. there are a lot of imitations out there but he did preserve his word.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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The fact that there are 1000's of different "bibles" out there? Through all the different various versions?
Is even more proof that there is/was NO GOD behind ANY bible.
Ever.
Thanks for playing.
that's interesting. just because it is obvious that many so called Bibles are fake doesn't mean that the fakes are not trying to imitate the real thing. that is the way it usually works in life. we have fake fur because real fur actually exists.

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<quoted text>still waiting for one of those "two (or more)different versions of historical facts" from the NT.
keep looking, odds are there must be some.
i gave them to you already, the differing accounts of the pharisees prevalence and influence against jesus...

are you daft? no, you just like avoiding the truth like the slavery point s you didn't even know were in your own bible...

why do you religious cult members not even know yur own bible?

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Mar 24, 2013
 
I just provided you 6 examples of contradictions in your gospels.

Your response is : crickets chirping :
barry wrote:
<quoted text>still waiting for one of those "two (or more)different versions of historical facts" from the NT.
keep looking, odds are there must be some.

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>still waiting for one of those "two (or more)different versions of historical facts" from the NT.
keep looking, odds are there must be some.
Here ya go:

108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27

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<quoted text>i think he did preserve his word down through history.
100% lie. If it WAS divine? It would be self-evidently divine-- IT WOULD NOT EVEN NEED TO SAY SO ITSELF.

It would just be obvious.

But all the 1000's of flaws proves it's not divine... not even a little.
barry wrote:
there are a lot of imitations out there but he did preserve his word.
Good!

The very existence of an imitation?

Is 100% proof your god:

1) is not real
--or--
2) doesn't care about accuracy in his book

Either way?

It means you god isn't the god you THINK it is.

What self-respecting god would PERMIT his good name to be sullied by false bibles?

Answer:

None that was real or gave a crap.

Your god is neither.

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barry wrote:
<quoted text>that's interesting. just because it is obvious that many so called Bibles are fake doesn't mean that the fakes are not trying to imitate the real thing. that is the way it usually works in life. we have fake fur because real fur actually exists.
Actually?

That right there is 100% proof your god isn't real.

Seriously.

What REAL god would permit false-fakes to sully it's good name like that?

Especially if the stakes are as high as you claim!

So either your god isn't real?

Or your god is inept?

Or your god is unmitigated EVIL incarnate-- deliberately allowing faces to lead people astray!

None of these are good for your god's credibility.
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Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Okay. Read these and... weep. Here's 5. I got more... lots and lots and LOTS more...
From my favorite bible-debunking site: www.evilbible.com
__________
108. Christ is equal with God
John 10:30/ Phil 2:5
Christ is not equal with God
John 14:28/ Matt 24:36
109. Jesus was all-powerful
Matt 28:18/ John 3:35
Jesus was not all-powerful
Mark 6:5
110. The law was superseded by the Christian dispensation
Luke 16:16/ Eph 2:15/ Rom 7:6
The law was not superseded by the Christian dispensation
Matt 5:17-19
111. Christ's mission was peace
Luke 2:13,14
Christ's mission was not peace
Matt 10:34
112. Christ received not testimony from man
John 5:33,34
Christ did receive testimony from man
John 15:27
now we are getting some where. now we can see what you depend on. that would be someone else's opinion of the way things are.
#1 your first example starts of with a misunderstanding.
"Christ is equal with God" Christ is more than equal with God, he is God come/manifested in the Flesh. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God [implies separate from however] the Word was God [yet still the same]. And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us."
John 10:30 says that he and the Father are one. not equal but the same.
God is a trinity; the Father, the Son and the Spirit.
the visible Physical presence of God is always identified with the Son. the will of God is always identified with the Father. and the omnipresent working of God is identified with the Spirit. one is not more important than the other and i would say God is not God with out all three.
this explanation from your John 14 chapter vs 9-10
"Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."

Vs16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you."
so Christ comes to us as the Spirit of God.

now to the verse where Jesus says that the Father is "greater" than he. Jesus was God manifested/come in the flesh. in his Physical body he limited himself to the physical restrictions of this world.
but with that his physical desires of hunger, exhaustion, pain etc were always secondary and subject to the will of God which is always represented in the person of the Father.
so what does the word "greater" mean? simply more ore larger. the will of God was larger than just Christ's presence here on this earth.
when you understand the attributes of God there is no contradiction.

#2 to claim that Jesus was not all powerful because of Mark 6:5 is to not even have read the passage.
"But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.
5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them."

in life what we can do and what we can not bring ourselves to do are often the same thing. as a track coach i can find ways to cheat. but because i am an honest person and the bigger picture is more important than the opportunity of the moment i could not [choose not to] cheat. just because it says that he couldn't do it does not mean that it was not in his power to do so rather because of circumstances he chose not to.
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Mar 24, 2013
 
Bob of Quantum-Faith wrote:
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Actually?
That right there is 100% proof your god isn't real.
Seriously.
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